Learn French, Quebec orders immigrants

Leafless · November 1, 2008

a)race isn't involved because quebecois isn't a race, nor are they discriminating against anybody based on race.

Race is involved.

Francophones belong to a race like anyone else and they racially discriminate by imposing a minority foreign language (component of race and culture) on people intending to immigrate to Quebec. This racial discrimination also extends to cultures other than francophones currently living in Quebec.

Leafless · November 1, 2008

There is no need for Alberta to pass such a law. The federal government has done that for them. All immigrants must speak one of either English or French...even if they are immigrating to Alberta.

English and French are only offical on the federal level outside of Quebec who unilaterally made French the official language of Quebec on a provincial level.

English is the de facto language in all of Canada.

If some Quebecers don't learn it that is their problem.

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blueblood · November 1, 2008

If you can't accept the reality that Quebec has a majority French speaking population then that's too bad. Also, I didn't propagate a double standard. I said that you should have to speak (or I should add, have the ability to quickly learn) English in order to come to any province.

We all know that the majority of Quebec speaks French. If I am an immigrant who speaks english, one of Canada's official languages and have a job in Quebec, I will be forced by law to learn french, thats BS. An immigrant who speaks French the other official language and gets a job in Manitoba is not forced by law to learn English and rightfully so. Is that too difficult to understand? Legislation of culture and language is the problem here and is an abomination of the charter of rights and freedoms.

Smallc · November 1, 2008

Legislation of culture and language is the problem here and is an abomination of the charter of rights and freedoms.

Actually, I don't see anything in the Charter that would block such a thing except possibly, in part anyway, Minority Language Education Rights. To live n Quebec, you should know French. The culture in Quebec is based on the French Language. The government there has a duty and obligation to protect that culture within reasonable limits.

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blueblood · November 1, 2008

Actually, I don't see anything in the Charter that would block such a thing except possibly, in part anyway, Minority Language Education Rights. To live n Quebec, you should know French. The culture in Quebec is based on the French Language. The government there has a duty and obligation to protect that culture within reasonable limits.

Gov't has no business dictating culture, that's up to individuals. Should Harper be mandating that all Canadians be cowboys?

Smallc · November 1, 2008

Gov't has no business dictating culture, that's up to individuals. Should Harper be mandating that all Canadians be cowboys?

The government isn't dictating the culture. Its responding to it.

blueblood · November 1, 2008

The government isn't dictating the culture. Its responding to it.

Hogwash. First there is Bill 101, then there is this. There is a gun to the head of every immigrant to learn French in Quebec. They can learn it on their own and not forced to by the gov't. If that's not social engineering I don't know what is.

Smallc · November 1, 2008

Hogwash. First there is Bill 101, then there is this. There is a gun to the head of every immigrant to learn French in Quebec. They can learn it on their own and not forced to by the gov't. If that's not social engineering I don't know what is.

Thats what you say and believe, and I might even agree with you, but I think that most people from Quebec wouldn't.

Leafless · November 1, 2008

Thats what you say and believe, and I might even agree with you, but I think that most people from Quebec wouldn't.

Most Quebecers and the ROC never had a say in the matter.

drewski · November 2, 2008

Race is involved.
Francophones belong to a race like anyone else and they racially discriminate by imposing a minority foreign language (component of race and culture) on people intending to immigrate to Quebec. This racial discrimination also extends to cultures other than francophones currently living in Quebec.

no its not because language is independents of language. you can have black, white, asian or arab francophones

Peter F · November 2, 2008

Hogwash. First there is Bill 101, then there is this. There is a gun to the head of every immigrant to learn French in Quebec. They can learn it on their own and not forced to by the gov't. If that's not social engineering I don't know what is.

But its ok for them to have to know English to immigrate - if not French. And thats not putting a gun to the immigrants head?

blueblood · November 2, 2008

But its ok for them to have to know English to immigrate - if not French. And thats not putting a gun to the immigrants head?

Last I checked I don't care what language they speak, in my opinion that should be optional, not for the government to forcefeed stuff. It would be in the best interests to pick up one of the official languages as those are the languages of gov't services. Unfortunately in Quebec you don't get the English option. Where has any of the ten provinces gone on national TV and said very clearly if you want to immigrate to our province, you have to learn English or face the consequences? What Quebec is doing is flat out wrong. Quebecers have no right to call Western Canadians xenophobic with a law like this passed. If Quebecers want to be xenophobic then they have no right to call themselves progressive, cultured, and sophisticated - they are worse than the Western Rednecks.

I know you like your double standard way Quebec does things. It's all right for Quebec to limit immigration and dictate culture, but it's pure evil if another province tried that. Weak real weak.

Leafless · November 2, 2008

no its not because language is independents of language. you can have black, white, asian or arab francophones

What I am talking about is francophones linguistically discriminating against people of their own race.

M.Dancer · November 3, 2008

The list is not meaningless.
The purpose of the list is to indicate other cultures live in Quebec outside of francophones.

So what? Other cultures live in the rest of Canada outside of anglophones....

I'm starting to think you have an arthritic grasp of reality.

M.Dancer · November 3, 2008

BTW- I have lived in Quebec and didn't know ANYONE that could not speak English.

I fail to see why your poor social skills and inability to makes friends has to do with the subject....but I grew up in Montreal, went to an English school in the protestant board, many of my English friends went to english schools in the catholic board...I went to an English Church..when I was sick I went to an English hospital.

M.Dancer · November 3, 2008

de facto

Yiou should really one day learn the definition of that word.

M.Dancer · November 3, 2008

We all know that the majority of Quebec speaks French. If I am an immigrant who speaks english, one of Canada's official languages and have a job in Quebec, I will be forced by law to learn french, thats BS. An immigrant who speaks French the other official language and gets a job in Manitoba is not forced by law to learn English and rightfully so. Is that too difficult to understand? Legislation of culture and language is the problem here and is an abomination of the charter of rights and freedoms.

Ummm...no. You will not be forced. Economic realities might compell you and the immigrant in Manitoba to learn the language of your marketplace...but no one is forcing you.

Mr.Canada · November 3, 2008

Last I checked I don't care what language they speak, in my opinion that should be optional, not for the government to forcefeed stuff. It would be in the best interests to pick up one of the official languages as those are the languages of gov't services. Unfortunately in Quebec you don't get the English option. Where has any of the ten provinces gone on national TV and said very clearly if you want to immigrate to our province, you have to learn English or face the consequences? What Quebec is doing is flat out wrong. Quebecers have no right to call Western Canadians xenophobic with a law like this passed. If Quebecers want to be xenophobic then they have no right to call themselves progressive, cultured, and sophisticated - they are worse than the Western Rednecks.
I know you like your double standard way Quebec does things. It's all right for Quebec to limit immigration and dictate culture, but it's pure evil if another province tried that. Weak real weak.

If you don't like it don't move to Quebec. Very simple. Sounds like common sense to me, 85% of the population dictating to the minority. That's how it should be not the other way around like in Ontario. They are the guests. Why should Quebecers be made to feel like second class citizens in their own nation?

If my french was good enough I would move to Quebec in a heartbeat, they are far more socially conservative than a lot of areas of the country. They have much in common with Alberta, being a social conservative myself I applaud that. The First Nations and the Quebecers are showing us the way.

Leafless · November 3, 2008

Yiou should really one day learn the definition of that word.

At least have the couresty to tell me and members of this site what the hell you are talking about you twisted mentally defective nerd.

Leafless · November 3, 2008

..when I was sick I went to an English hospital.

Obviously they released you years to soon as your mental conditon is still very much apparent.

M.Dancer · November 3, 2008

Obviously they released you years to soon as your mental conditon is still very much apparent.

My conditon is far better than your arthritic grasp of any official language...

blueblood · November 3, 2008

If you don't like it don't move to Quebec. Very simple. Sounds like common sense to me, 85% of the population dictating to the minority. That's how it should be not the other way around like in Ontario. They are the guests. Why should Quebecers be made to feel like second class citizens in their own nation?
If my french was good enough I would move to Quebec in a heartbeat, they are far more socially conservative than a lot of areas of the country. They have much in common with Alberta, being a social conservative myself I applaud that. The First Nations and the Quebecers are showing us the way.

Here's the pickle, if any western Canadian province passed similar language laws that Quebec has done, we would be labeled as ignorant backwards hicks. Quebec gets to pass language laws that in essense force people to learn French. Why isn't any other province passing a law mandating immigrants learn English? I'll give you a hint, the CHRC would have a field day, and easterners would be up in arms that the backwoods hicks are oppressing minorities. Please refer to the public schools dilemna in Manitoba History where they tried to force english only education.

Leafless · November 4, 2008

My conditon is far better than your arthritic grasp of any official language...

Really?

An 'arthritic grasp on an official language' is simply linguistically impossible.

Now, be a good boy and get back into your cage.

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M.Dancer · November 4, 2008

Really?
An 'artrictic grasp on an official language' is simply linguistically impossible.

Now, be a good boy and get back into your cage.

Oh I agree an "artrictic grasp" is linguistically impossible.

But your arthritic grasp and clumsy use of the language is not only possible, it's on display daily.

Leafless · November 4, 2008

Oh I agree an "artrictic grasp" is linguistically impossible.
But your arthritic grasp and clumsy use of the language is not only possible, it's on display daily.

Just as I thought.

Waiting in the shadows all fucking day, you poor sick fucker.

Get a life Dancer and stay out of my threads.