Anti Terrorism Laws.......Thank You Mr Harper!

[wulf42]

Thats nice. Got any other irrelevant news for me?

here is a hint....we live in CDA, the charges were brought in CDA for actions in CDA......want to talk about the rise in price of jerusalem artichokes as pertinent to this?

What you fail to understand is our actions overseas are affecting terrorism here..by keeping and killing the enemy there we help to curb their activities here.....................now we just have to track the ones that are here down and have the proper tools to deal with them.......such as the ATA.......and change the immigration Policy so more can't keep coming............to end Terrorism you have to look at the big picture ,i guess thats over your head a tad!

[Mr.Canada]

What you fail to understand is our actions overseas are affecting terrorism here..by keeping and killing the enemy there we help to curb their activities here.....................now we just have to track the ones that are here down and have the proper tools to deal with them.......such as the ATA.......and change the immigration Policy so more can't keep coming............to end Terrorism you have to look at the big picture ,i guess thats over your head a tad!

We shouldn't allow any immigrants from any region we are at war with. Otherwise we are inviting the enemy into our beds. Why kill us on the battlefield when we are stupid enough to let them come here and we'll even pay them to do it.

[wulf42]

We shouldn't allow any immigrants from any region we are at war with. Otherwise we are inviting the enemy into our beds. Why kill us on the battlefield when we are stupid enough to let them come here and we'll even pay them to do it.

So true..........the funny part about all this....is these Guys are all for Civil Rights......but the guys they are trying to protect with our civil rights want to take away our rights and turn Canada into an Islamic State.........if this immigration is allowed to go on unchecked...who knows in 15-20 years we may have a Taliban style Government after they infiltrate high Government positions...i know this is a long shot but when you let in hundreds of thousands of people who do not have the same values as you and do not respect human life as you or believe in law and order as we do.... it can't be a good thing........i wonder how they will feel about Civil rights then when we don't have any!

Edited October 31, 2008 by wulf42

[Smallc]

but when you let in hundreds of thousands of people who do not have the same values as you

I doubt that I have the same values as you, and we're probably the same race...and I'm not an immigrant.

[Topaz]

Indirectly it does affect Harper. Apparently by the news on the radio he has had alot of death threats against him and so it cost 83,000 for security. I don't know if its per day, week or month. Diane Findley had death threats too last term and all of this goes under the terrorism act.

[wulf42]

I doubt that I have the same values as you, and we're probably the same race...and I'm not an immigrant.

I Doubt it too...............but you and i don t want to force our religious beliefs onto others or else!!!.....well actually i don't believe in religion what so ever......i believe it is the root cause of terrorism.........but some of the people coming here... come from countries where value on human life means nothing and stupid religious beliefs is all they care about...we are seeing proof of that in Toronto! those gangs are almost all immigrants bringing their violent traditions and lack of respect for human life along with them...its time to slam the gate shut on people coming from certain countries and pick and choose more carefully who enters this country.............go to the CSIS website.... do you know Canada is only second to the U.S. for having the largest number of terror groups operating from their country?..and many experts believe we will pass the U.S because the Americans are bringing the hammer down on the terrorists within its borders........careless immigration in Canada is the destroying this country and you people on here are to blind to see that........this silly passive Canadian attitude is going to be the undoing of us........Organized crime and terrorist's laugh at us because they know even if they are caught they will get an easy sentence if they get any at all.......i watched a show on W-5 about how criminals and terrorists love Canada because our laws are so weak they know they have nothing to really fear.......this needs to change and in a hurry!

Edited November 1, 2008 by wulf42

[M.Dancer]

Apparently by the news on the radio he has had alot of death threats against him and so it cost 83,000 for security. I don't know if its per day, week or month. .

Oh that would definately be by the day, definately.

[wulf42]

Oh that would definately be by the day, definately.

But Immigration isn't hurting this country at all is it.......lol

[OddSox]

I Doubt it too...............but you and i don t want to force our religious beliefs onto others or else!!!.....well actually i don't believe in religion what so ever......i believe it is the root cause of terrorism.........but some of the people coming here... come from countries where value on human life means nothing and stupid religious beliefs is all they care about...we are seeing proof of that in Toronto! those gangs are almost all immigrants bringing their violent traditions and lack of respect for human life along with them...its time to slam the gate shut on people coming from certain countries and pick and choose more carefully who enters this country.............go to the CSIS website.... do you know Canada is only second to the U.S. for having the largest number of terror groups operating from their country?..and many experts believe we will pass the U.S because the Americans are bringing the hammer down on the terrorists within its borders........careless immigration in Canada is the destroying this country and you people on here are to blind to see that........this silly passive Canadian attitude is going to be the undoing of us........Organized crime and terrorist's laugh at us because they know even if they are caught they will get an easy sentence if they get any at all.......i watched a show on W-5 about how criminals and terrorists love Canada because our laws are so weak they know they have nothing to really fear.......this needs to change and in a hurry!

If you want people to read and understand your posts, you really should consider using sentences and paragraphs and perhaps, some punctuation.

[wulf42]

If you want people to read and understand your posts, you really should consider using sentences and paragraphs and perhaps, some punctuation.

lol........you do know this is a forum right.......not an English class, Unless you have something intelligent to say please go away........thanks!

[guyser]

Unless you have something intelligent to say please go away........thanks!

<<cough cough>>

but you and i don t want to force our religious beliefs onto others or else!!!...

Of course no one is forcing beliefs on anyone....

those gangs are almost all immigrants bringing their violent traditions and lack of respect for human life along with them..

Of course they aren't "almost all immigrants"......

who knows in 15-20 years we may have a Taliban style Government after they infiltrate high Government positions

Oh my....

i wonder how they will feel about Civil rights then when we don't have any!

What do you care? You already advocate for denying people rights, and in fact you refuse to uphold all rights.

Whats next, how Christmas is banned ?

[wulf42]

<<cough cough>>

Of course no one is forcing beliefs on anyone....

Really?.....lol

http://counterterrorismblog.org/2006/06/gr...rror_threat.php

Edited November 3, 2008 by wulf42

[wulf42]

who knows in 15-20 years we may have a Taliban style Government after they infiltrate high Government positions

Oh my....

So you think the Government is safe too?......lol

David Harris . The enemy within

Details emerging from the Khawaja trial suggest it's time to take seriously the oft-stated terrorist goal of infiltrating western institutions

David Harris

Citizen Special

Thursday, June 26, 2008

If terrorism suspect Momin Khawaja, now on trial in Ottawa, is as guilty as Crown prosecutors say, it'll be time to settle an important question: Was Mr. Khawaja a "Naji man"?

Amid trial allegations, court details and defence objections, significant questions arise about Mr. Khawaja's status as a consultant to the Department of Foreign Affairs at about the time of his arrest. Prosecutors claim the software contractor used his perch inside the department to send streams of E-mails to confederates abroad - that federal resources were, in other words, used to advance terror plots. Authorities also say Mr. Khawaja might have used privileged Foreign Affairs department travel documents to travel on his "missions." And that he allegedly suggested using special departmental courier services to send bomb-related equipment to foreign associates, in the apparent belief that a government imprimatur on shipments confers immunity from customs searches.

Insiders can do a lot of damage in sensitive government and private-sector establishments. From intelligence organizations to banks, history is replete with examples of infiltrators and penetrators undermining computer systems, removing money, spilling secrets. Remember Barings Bank? Kim Philby?

So questions must be asked. If, for the sake of argument, Mr. Khawaja was working against Canadians and their allies, what access did he have to departmental personnel, to electronic records, communications and associated encryption systems? Who recommended and hired him in the first place? A friend? If the government's version is correct, why would a software consultant be so confident about his access to special courier services? Did he have a network of friends at the department? It is early days, and no decisive answers are on offer.

But these things must be asked whenever a possible radical or extremist Islamist breach of security is hinted at, and here's why: Islamic extremists and subversives place great emphasis on infiltrating social, political, economic and security apparatuses of target nations, like Canada, with a view to manipulating and undoing their infrastructure.

Last year's dramatic Holy Land Foundation trial in Texas made the point. There, U.S. prosecutors put klieg lights on previously secret strategic documents seized from extremist Muslim Brotherhood (MB) sources. This subversive worldwide organization is the font from which spring a number of hardline "mainstream" North American Islamic front groups and "representative organizations," including many recently defined as unindicted co-conspirators by the U.S. Justice Department - and some, amazingly, periodically engaged in "outreach" by unsuspecting interfaith and even government officials.

The prize U.S. document was the Brotherhood's 1991 long-term plan to subvert and collapse the United States and its political, economic and other infrastructure, preparatory to achieving a forced radical Islamicization of that country, and others. Through a malign combination of immigration, intimidation, psychological warfare and subterfuge, the MB proposed "settling" - colonizing - the U.S., infesting its infrastructure, and relying on societal openness, constitutional freedoms and influence operations to proceed from there: "The process of settlement is a 'Civilization-Jihadist Process'," said the memorandum, adding ominously, "with all the word means."

The Brothers, it continued, "must understand that their work in American [sic] is kind of a grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and sabotaging its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God's religion is made victorious over all other religions."

More recently, Abu Bakr Naji, al-Qaeda's senior operational strategic thinker, explained the priority. Radical Islamists are to be "infiltrating the adversaries and their fellow travelers and establishing a strong security apparatus" to support the underground movement, now, and the resulting theocratic Islamic state, later. "[We] should infiltrate the police forces, the armies, the different political parties, the newspapers, the Islamic groups, the petroleum companies ... private security companies, sensitive civil institutions, etc."

"That," concludes Mr. Naji chillingly, "actually began several decades ago, but we need to increase it in light of recent developments."

Indeed, Muslim Brotherhood-inspired organizations were being set up on this continent as far back as the 1960s, and considerably earlier elsewhere. By now, there is little doubt that many "Naji men" -- and women -- are ensconced in the West, and recent developments cause concern:

- a police officer in the northeastern U.S., helping a terror suspect at his mosque to identify federal surveillance vehicles;

- an American 911 operator conducting illegal watch-list and other database searches, and communicating the results, illicitly;

- and questions about jihadist sympathies among certain figures in the FBI and CIA, the State Department and U.S. Muslim military chaplain corps, the White House, Homeland Security, the U.S. Air Force, Guantanamo, and the Federal Bureau of Prisons. (For details see Terrorists Among Us in Investor's Business Daily editorial)

Along such lines, the generally-restrained Muslim Canadian Congress (MCC) recently flailed the Ontario Human Rights Commission (OHRC) for a free-speech decision that bore “the finger prints of [the Commission’s] pro-Islamist commissioners.” “[W]e have reason to believe that there are staff on the OHRC that support sharia law and endorse [hardline] positions,” declared the MCC. Meanwhile, in Quebec, Deputy NDP Leader Thomas Mulcair is fighting off attempts by Hezbollah-flavoured operators to gain influential positions in the Party’s Quebec wing.

Canadians must guard against infiltration of government, business and associated infrastructure. Mr. Naji's operational aims bring home the need to make realistic determinations about the reliability of those employed in military and security offices, in nuclear-energy and power-grid control rooms, and in virus and biochemical research labs - even about those influencing politicians and decision-makers.

We cannot guess the outcome of the Khawaja trial, but perhaps evidence of Mr. Khawaja's work in government will encourage an overdue debate about Canada's counterpenetration strategy. We should begin now, while relative peace allows us to do so in an ordered, balanced and effective way.

David Harris is president of Democracy House, and a lawyer involved in national security matters. He is counsel to the Canadian Coalition for Democracies and a former senior CSIS official.

© The Ottawa Citizen 2008

So you think the Government is safe too?......lol

[guyser]

Really?.....lol

http://counterterrorismblog.org/2006/06/gr...rror_threat.php

Thanks, but perhaps you could point out, where in your link beliefs are "being forced" ?

[guyser]

So you think the Government is safe too?......lol

So you think the Government is safe too?......lol

So good you repeated it twice. They say third times a charm.

Thanks, but perhaps you could point out, where in your link it discusses how Canadas govt is being overtaken by a "Taliban style govt " ?

[wulf42]

So good you repeated it twice. They say third times a charm.

Thanks, but perhaps you could point out, where in your link it discusses how Canadas govt is being overtaken by a "Taliban style govt " ?

The repeat was in error.....the article i provided is your second answer!

[guyser]

the article i provided is your second answer!

I see....so, in other words you cant. Okay thanks, I suspected as much.

Do you post retractions or just quietly ignore the mistake?

[wulf42]

I see....so, in other words you cant. Okay thanks, I suspected as much.

Do you post retractions or just quietly ignore the mistake?

What mistake...?? you see unlike you i at least back my statements up with some kind of proof, where as you make useless rants with no facts to back anything you say up, the point is quite simple to understand really. But again i must add a link although i am beginning to doubt if you can read, i have posted several links answering the same question you keep asking and you turn around and answer with garbage.

Now for Gods sake man read these articles, this country is under a huge threat and though you may not like it some rights in Canada have already been diminshed ie. have you tried boarding an airplane lately.......a little more restricting than the past....EH?

http://canadiancoalition.com/forum/messages/31214.shtml

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/War_Terror/200...668686-sun.html

Edited November 4, 2008 by wulf42

[guyser]

What mistake...??

Oh sorry, I thought it would be clear.

The one where you said Canada 's govt is being overtaken by a Taliban style govt , and as proof you link to one single trial.

Doesnt pass .

The other one is about the force of religion upon us.

you see unlike you i at least back my statements up with some kind of proof, where as you make useless rants with no facts to back anything you say up, the point is quite simple to understand really. But again i must add a link although i am beginning to doubt if you can read,

I read quite well thanks. Well enough to see that you have nothing to back your assertions up. See , thats how it works, you claim something, then back it up.

i have posted several links answering the same question you keep asking and you turn around and answer with garbage.

You provided garbage as evidence. The price of gas is down today is as relevant as your links were.

Now for Gods sake man read these articles, this country is under a huge threat and though you may not like it some rights in Canada have already been diminshed ie. have you tried boarding an airplane lately.......a little more restricting than the past....EH?

This country is under some measure of threat. But we do not diminish rights to all citizens of this country as a countermeasure. It is very simple to understand.

Hmm...boarding an airplane as an example. You of course can point out where we "have or had " the right to board any airplane willy nilly in our past?