Ethnic Voting

[kengs333]

This is something that didn't come up much in the campaign, but I think that it is something that needs to be discussed. Every party ran candidates with the intention of trying to win votes in certain "communities". Even the Bloc did it with a Lebanese-Canadian candidate, and I think it's speaks to a certain double standard that we have in our society.

[Moonbox]

you're absolutely right...The only problem is what can you do about it? Nothing I'd say.

[seabee]

Ethnic vote? Reminders of Parizeau.

[Mr.Canada]

If anyone here had ever worked on a campaign, which it is obvious they have not, you would know that this question does come up and is discussed.

Edited October 18, 2008 by Mr.Canada

[Sindhu]

This is something that didn't come up much in the campaign, but I think that it is something that needs to be discussed. Every party ran candidates with the intention of trying to win votes in certain "communities". Even the Bloc did it with a Lebanese-Canadian candidate, and I think it's speaks to a certain double standard that we have in our society.

Harper's REFORM Party has been doing it since 1993 in most of the ridings it runs candidates. Sure there are the token coloured people that they run to show they are an inclusive party. In actual fact, the Reform/Alliance/CRAP/new Conservative party is a party by red neck white people (where everyone is marrying their cousin) for red neck white people that always vote as one big ethnic bloc. If you want to stop ethnic people from voting as a bloc, lets start with the REFORM party. Harper's party is the most anti-immigrant party, most socially extreme conservative out of all of them. Until that changes they will never become a majority government.

BTW - Harper's extreme right-wing REFORM party again FAILED to gain a majority of seats and again only gained a minority of the popular vote. As long as they don't make inroads into Canada's major cities (Vancouver, Montreal, Toronto - all full of minorities who will never vote for REFORM), they will never win a majority.

One of those token coloured people in the Reform/Alliance caucus is Nina Grewal (Fleetwood Port Kells). She represents a riding where English as a spoken language is a minority and Punjabi is the dominant riding. The only reason this party won in that riding is due to the candidate being of Punjabi origin. The same is true in other ridings (like Calgary Northeast or Edmonton Sherwood) where they now have a person of Punjabi origin elected.

Edited October 22, 2008 by Sindhu

[blueblood]

Harper's REFORM Party has been doing it since 1993 in most of the ridings it runs candidates. Sure there are the token coloured people that they run to show they are an inclusive party. In actual fact, the Reform/Alliance/CRAP/new Conservative party is a party by red neck white people (where everyone is marrying their cousin) for red neck white people that always vote as one big ethnic bloc. If you want to stop ethnic people from voting as a bloc, lets start with the REFORM party. Harper's party is the most anti-immigrant party, most socially extreme conservative out of all of them. Until that changes they will never become a majority government.

BTW - Harper's extreme right-wing REFORM party again FAILED to gain a majority of seats and again only gained a minority of the popular vote. As long as they don't make inroads into Canada's major cities (Vancouver, Montreal, Toronto - all full of minorities who will never vote for REFORM), they will never win a majority.

Oh great another anti-farmer ivory tower urban elitist.

If you hate rural Canadians so much stay out of the damn grocery store.

Political parties that don't accept rural people and rural values will also never ever gain a majority government. Redneck Canadians are just as Canadian as everyone else. By the way my MP is no token colored person, he was the mayor of a small city before entering politics and has been relected since 97. He is an immigrant, but he earned his spot.

Harper has made inroads in Vancouver and the GTA, montreal is next...

[Mr.Canada]

That was hilarious Sidhu. Was this a cut and paste from 1993 Federal Election campaign?

Pure lunacy.

[Sindhu]

Oh great another anti-farmer ivory tower urban elitist.

If you hate rural Canadians so much stay out of the damn grocery store.

Political parties that don't accept rural people and rural values will also never ever gain a majority government. Redneck Canadians are just as Canadian as everyone else. By the way my MP is no token colored person, he was the mayor of a small city before entering politics and has been relected since 97. He is an immigrant, but he earned his spot.

Harper has made inroads in Vancouver and the GTA, montreal is next...

Harper's REFORM party did not win any seats inside Vancouver proper, Montreal proper, or Toronto proper, a.k.a. 'Canada's Cities'.

They won some an outskirts and suburbs. That can change in the next election.

Harper knows that he will never get his majority. Even with the Liberal party with such a weak leader and Green Shift, he still couldn't do it. They will have a better leader next time and probably make up some seats. NDP will more or less stay the same or loss some seats to the Liberals. The Bloc is almost guaranteed to hold onto 50 of the 75 Quebec seats they have now and maybe even add to that. After those 2 recounts take place in Atlantic Canada, Reform/Alliance could very well be left with no seats in Atlantic Canada.

It is a sad state of affairs when a sitting Conservative Premier, Danny Williams, campaigned hard against Harper and was effective in doing so.

I for one look forward to the next election which will either bring a minority or even a majority Liberal government. Even if Reform wins another minority government next time, will Harper bother to stick around or will he leave politics? I for one am betting on the latter...

[Sindhu]

That was hilarious Sidhu. Was this a cut and paste from 1993 Federal Election campaign?

Pure lunacy.

no I'm damn serious. Reform votes in Vote Blocks of White voters....mostly from hicktown Alberta and interior BC. If they ever get a majority, they will undue many of the rights that we enjoy in this country. They are anti-immigrant, pro-private healthcare, for privatization and deregulation, anti-gun control, their crime bill ideas are too harsh, they want to turn the clock back on abortion, gay rights, amongst a list of other things.

A lot of what Harper really wants to do but can't do because he doesn't have a majority (and as witnessed last week -> will never get one) is in direct conflict with rights that are entrenched in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

[g_bambino]

A lot of what Harper really wants to do but can't do because he doesn't have a majority (and as witnessed last week -> will never get one) is in direct conflict with rights that are entrenched in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

[kengs333]

Harper knows that he will never get his majority. Even with the Liberal party with such a weak leader and Green Shift, he still couldn't do it. They will have a better leader next time and probably make up some seats. NDP will more or less stay the same or loss some seats to the Liberals. The Bloc is almost guaranteed to hold onto 50 of the 75 Quebec seats they have now and maybe even add to that. After those 2 recounts take place in Atlantic Canada, Reform/Alliance could very well be left with no seats in Atlantic Canada.

So true. He only managed to get 1% point more than in 2006.

[capricorn]

They are anti-immigrant, pro-private healthcare, for privatization and deregulation, anti-gun control, their crime bill ideas are too harsh, they want to turn the clock back on abortion, gay rights, amongst a list of other things.

I hear the Liberal war room is looking for help. You seem qualified for the job. Only they have no money and you'd have to work for free. The other problem is, if you leave your mother's basement, you might come across soldiers that Harper has stationed on your street. But if you wear a cowboy hat and boots, you might just fool them and they won't throw your ass in jail.

A lot of what Harper really wants to do but can't do because he doesn't have a majority (and as witnessed last week -> will never get one) is in direct conflict with rights that are entrenched in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

Almost forgot. Do not, I repeat do not carry a copy of the Charter on your body or it will be confiscated and burned before your very eyes.

You live in dangerous times.

<sarcasm off>

[Mr.Canada]

no I'm damn serious. Reform votes in Vote Blocks of White voters....mostly from hicktown Alberta and interior BC. If they ever get a majority, they will undue many of the rights that we enjoy in this country. They are anti-immigrant, pro-private healthcare, for privatization and deregulation, anti-gun control, their crime bill ideas are too harsh, they want to turn the clock back on abortion, gay rights, amongst a list of other things.

A lot of what Harper really wants to do but can't do because he doesn't have a majority (and as witnessed last week -> will never get one) is in direct conflict with rights that are entrenched in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

Mr. Harper got overwhelming support for a majority all across Canada. Except Quebec. The rest of Canada fully supports our PM, the RH Stephan Harper.

Look at this map for some proof. That looks like a lot of broad support to me. I don't see a lot of cross country Liberal support there.

Some privatization is good. Less government is good, not bad. Being tough on crime is necessary, gun and violent crime getting out on bail is crazy.

The rest of your post is simply not true.

Edited October 23, 2008 by Mr.Canada

[blueblood]

no I'm damn serious. Reform votes in Vote Blocks of White voters....mostly from hicktown Alberta and interior BC. If they ever get a majority, they will undue many of the rights that we enjoy in this country. They are anti-immigrant, pro-private healthcare, for privatization and deregulation, anti-gun control, their crime bill ideas are too harsh, they want to turn the clock back on abortion, gay rights, amongst a list of other things.

A lot of what Harper really wants to do but can't do because he doesn't have a majority (and as witnessed last week -> will never get one) is in direct conflict with rights that are entrenched in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

The toaster is working overtime...

[Mr.Canada]

The toaster is working overtime...

Lol, you hold the roll, I'll tear it off. You got the mannequin head ready for the shape?

[guyser]

Mr. Harper got overwhelming support for a majority all across Canada. Except Quebec. The rest of Canada fully supports our PM, the RH Stephan Harper.

Keep saying it and it might be true.

[Brunopolis]

Harper's REFORM Party has been doing it since 1993 in most of the ridings it runs candidates. Sure there are the token coloured people that they run to show they are an inclusive party. In actual fact, the Reform/Alliance/CRAP/new Conservative party is a party by red neck white people (where everyone is marrying their cousin) for red neck white people that always vote as one big ethnic bloc. If you want to stop ethnic people from voting as a bloc, lets start with the REFORM party. Harper's party is the most anti-immigrant party, most socially extreme conservative out of all of them. Until that changes they will never become a majority government.

BTW - Harper's extreme right-wing REFORM party again FAILED to gain a majority of seats and again only gained a minority of the popular vote. As long as they don't make inroads into Canada's major cities (Vancouver, Montreal, Toronto - all full of minorities who will never vote for REFORM), they will never win a majority.

One of those token coloured people in the Reform/Alliance caucus is Nina Grewal (Fleetwood Port Kells). She represents a riding where English as a spoken language is a minority and Punjabi is the dominant riding. The only reason this party won in that riding is due to the candidate being of Punjabi origin. The same is true in other ridings (like Calgary Northeast or Edmonton Sherwood) where they now have a person of Punjabi origin elected.

Ah yes. Saying "Red Neck" is perfectly acceptable and "Nigger" isn't? The PC attitudes of this nation sometimes drive me crazy. I have nothing against rural folk. I just hope the reason for voting conservative is a fiscal one and not religious in nature. Look where that religious right got the US.

[Wild Bill]

no I'm damn serious. Reform votes in Vote Blocks of White voters....mostly from hicktown Alberta and interior BC. If they ever get a majority, they will undue many of the rights that we enjoy in this country. They are anti-immigrant, pro-private healthcare, for privatization and deregulation, anti-gun control, their crime bill ideas are too harsh, they want to turn the clock back on abortion, gay rights, amongst a list of other things.

A lot of what Harper really wants to do but can't do because he doesn't have a majority (and as witnessed last week -> will never get one) is in direct conflict with rights that are entrenched in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

You are dead wrong about the number of visible minority faces in Reform! Or even the number of such MP's! I was there and I know. If you're willing to try to put some evidence to your frankly racist accusations I suggest you google up the names of all the Reform MP's of that era to see how many were obviously not "white hicks".

You must have pulled that idea out of your butt! Anyone who ever watched the cameras pan across the Opposition benches in the days of Reform could see all the minorities who were elected under the Reform banner.

I vividly remember an interview on CBC NewsWorld with Preston Manning and one of the CBC female talking heads. She was obviously biased in her questioning. Preston just smiled and stayed polite. Finally she hit him with the inevitable question about Reform being a "white-bread" party.

Preston pointed out that Reform had more visible minority MP's than ANY of the other parties! Also, that the party treasurer of some years had been a young black man from South Africa.

The woman promptly demanded to know just EXACTLY how MANY visible minorities were involved! Preston again smiled and said "I don't rightly know. We don't believe in counting them!"

She was floored! Her lips were flapping but she just couldn't say anything!

I laughed till I gasped for breath! She had no idea of how patronizing her attitude had been. Just another typical white-ass liberal who could only relate to those of different skin colour by plastering a label across their face, instead of just accepting them as other typical human beings.

[Mr.Canada]

Keep saying it and it might be true.

You suggesting that the Mr. Dion had more support across Canada?

[Mr.Canada]

You are dead wrong about the number of visible minority faces in Reform! Or even the number of such MP's! I was there and I know. If you're willing to try to put some evidence to your frankly racist accusations I suggest you google up the names of all the Reform MP's of that era to see how many were obviously not "white hicks".

You must have pulled that idea out of your butt! Anyone who ever watched the cameras pan across the Opposition benches in the days of Reform could see all the minorities who were elected under the Reform banner.

I vividly remember an interview on CBC NewsWorld with Preston Manning and one of the CBC female talking heads. She was obviously biased in her questioning. Preston just smiled and stayed polite. Finally she hit him with the inevitable question about Reform being a "white-bread" party.

Preston pointed out that Reform had more visible minority MP's than ANY of the other parties! Also, that the party treasurer of some years had been a young black man from South Africa.

The woman promptly demanded to know just EXACTLY how MANY visible minorities were involved! Preston again smiled and said "I don't rightly know. We don't believe in counting them!"

She was floored! Her lips were flapping but she just couldn't say anything!

I laughed till I gasped for breath! She had no idea of how patronizing her attitude had been. Just another typical white-ass liberal who could only relate to those of different skin colour by plastering a label across their face, instead of just accepting them as other typical human beings.

I too remember that. I think every conservative in the country was laughing their asses off at it. LOL.

[BC_chick]

no I'm damn serious. Reform votes in Vote Blocks of White voters....mostly from hicktown Alberta and interior BC. If they ever get a majority, they will undue many of the rights that we enjoy in this country. They are anti-immigrant, pro-private healthcare, for privatization and deregulation, anti-gun control, their crime bill ideas are too harsh, they want to turn the clock back on abortion, gay rights, amongst a list of other things.

Although I agree with the crux of what you have been saying in this thread about Harper, I'm not liking the way you're saying things about CPC supporters.

Sure, white xenophobes gravitate to the CPC the same way low-income households gravitate toward the NDP, but steretoyping CPC supporters is about as futile as the nonsense stereotypes about NDP or LPC supporters.

There are a lot of nice conservatives out there, get to know them. You don't have to think like people all the time to respect them. Likewise, not all people who think like you are necessarily deserving of you unwavering support.

You can't fight ignorance with more ignorance, and stereotyping is ignorant.

Edited October 23, 2008 by BC_chick

[guyser]

You suggesting that the Mr. Dion had more support across Canada?

No.

Irrelevant anyway since you said more than once....

Mr. Harper got overwhelming support for a majority all across Canada

Thats all.

[Mr.Canada]

No.

Irrelevant anyway since you said more than once....

Thats all.

Thank you for making a post that said absolutely nothing. Next time you come for me make sure you have something. This must be getting embarrassing for you.

[OddSox]

Although I agree with the crux of what you have been saying in this thread about Harper, I'm not liking the way you're saying things about CPC supporters.

Sure, white xenophobes gravitate to the CPC the same way low-income households gravitate toward the NDP, but steretoyping CPC supporters is about as futile as the nonsense stereotypes about NDP or LPC supporters.

There are a lot of nice conservatives out there, get to know them. You don't have to think like people all the time to respect them. Likewise, not all people who think like you are necessarily deserving of you unwavering support.

You can't fight ignorance with more ignorance, and stereotyping is ignorant.

Thank you. It works on all sides.

[Mr.Canada]

Although I agree with the crux of what you have been saying in this thread about Harper, I'm not liking the way you're saying things about CPC supporters.

Sure, white xenophobes gravitate to the CPC the same way low-income households gravitate toward the NDP, but steretoyping CPC supporters is about as futile as the nonsense stereotypes about NDP or LPC supporters.

There are a lot of nice conservatives out there, get to know them. You don't have to think like people all the time to respect them. Likewise, not all people who think like you are necessarily deserving of you unwavering support.

You can't fight ignorance with more ignorance, and stereotyping is ignorant.

Well said.