Another Harper Bald Faced Lie

[kengs333]

Harper--who earlier addressed a crowd in Brantford--claims that he's a hockey historian, and that looking through old newspapers he's come across articles from a hundred years ago discussing land claims issues. Really? I would certainly like to see him substantiate this, but of course wouldn't or couldn't because it is such an outrageous fabrication he knows that few would recognize this fact. It's certainly not something that will or would cost him an election, but it speaks volumes about his honesty and integrity, the ease with which he can lie to Canadians.

Edited October 10, 2008 by kengs333

[noahbody]

I would certainly like to see him substantiate this,

I would certainly like to see you substantiate your claim that he's lying. What in your opinion is so hard to believe?

Edited October 10, 2008 by noahbody

[M.Dancer]

Harper--who earlier addressed a crowd in Brantford--claims that he's a hockey historian, and that looking through old newspapers he's come across articles from a hundred years ago discussing land claims issues. Really? I would certainly like to see him substantiate this, but of course wouldn't or couldn't because it is such an outrageous fabrication he knows that few would recognize this fact. It's certainly not something that will or would cost him an election, but it speaks volumes about his honesty and integrity, the ease with which he can lie to Canadians.

What is it that you claim he is lying about? A citation and direct quote would be helpful, otherwise we are relying on your highly fallible personal view.

[Bryan]

Harper--who earlier addressed a crowd in Brantford--claims that he's a hockey historian, and that looking through old newspapers he's come across articles from a hundred years ago discussing land claims issues. Really? I would certainly like to see him substantiate this, but of course wouldn't or couldn't because it is such an outrageous fabrication he knows that few would recognize this fact. It's certainly not something that will or would cost him an election, but it speaks volumes about his honesty and integrity, the ease with which he can lie to Canadians.

He is a hockey historian. It is a well known fact that he has been researching and writing a book on the history of the game. Of course he's been looking at old newspapers to see what was being written/said at the time.

What exactly are you claiming he's lying about?

[noahbody]

The settlement resolves a claim that dates back to 1908, when reserve lands near the hamlet of Delmas were taken from the First Nation.

http://www.ainc-inac.gc.ca/nr/prs/s-d2003/2-02387_e.html

Here's just one land claim that's 100 years old. Are you under the belief that there aren't newspapers that old?

[kengs333]

I would certainly like to see you substantiate your claim that he's lying. What in your opinion is so hard to believe?

Contact the Brantford Expositor or the library in Brantford and ask for their clippings files on old land claims disputes from a century ago and they will tell you that there aren't any.

[Jobu]

Poor Liberals.

[kengs333]

http://www.ainc-inac.gc.ca/nr/prs/s-d2003/2-02387_e.html

Here's just one land claim that's 100 years old. Are you under the belief that there aren't newspapers that old?

Sorry, do you have a reading comprehension problem? We're talking about land claims issues being discussed in old newspaper reports, and specifically in regards to the situation around Brantford. He was in Brantford when he made the lie, and made the lie in response to a question about development that was delayed near Brantford.

[kengs333]

What is it that you claim he is lying about? A citation and direct quote would be helpful, otherwise we are relying on your highly fallible personal view.

It should be repeated on CPAC later. I don't sit with pen and paper in hand when I watch the news, sorry.

[Argus]

It should be repeated on CPAC later. I don't sit with pen and paper in hand when I watch the news, sorry.

Crayons, more like.

[noahbody]

Sorry, do you have a reading comprehension problem?

If I did I would have asked you four times.

We're talking about land claims issues being discussed in old newspaper reports, and specifically in regards to the situation around Brantford.

Land claims date back to 200 years in Brantford. The paper was founded in 1852. And you've gone and searched through every paper already this morning. You must be quite a reader. Did Harper specify which paper in which he'd seen articles? How about a link?

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[Topaz]

Harper told another lie in the debates. He said he didn't like the personal attacks that went on in the House. HE may not like them, BUT he uses them anyway and is the first to do so!! The Cons are running scared that they may not even get a minority. In this samll town I've seen more top Cons and Libs than in any election. This area has be held by the Libs for many years. 2006 it went to a Conservative and now he under sure if he'll be return to Ottawa.

[kengs333]

If I did I would have asked you four times.

Land claims date back to 200 years in Brantford. The paper was founded in 1852. And you've gone and searched through every paper already this morning. You must be quite a reader. Did Harper specify which paper in which he'd seen articles? How about a link?

I've gone through the old Brant Expositor enough to know that very little mention is made of Six Nations; usually it's only when a drunk is picked up and sent packing... Land claims would not have been an issue 100 years ago because the land they sold was considered legally disposed of and therefore there was no issue. All of what we see going on in Caledonia started only a few years ago; since they figured out that they can get away with it, it has now spread to Brantford.

[noahbody]

I've gone through the old Brant Expositor enough

Was Harper even referring to the Brant Expositor? Was he referring to land claims in the Brantford area? Can you provide a quote for what he actually said?

And sorry, going through the paper 'enough' doesn't cut it. News isn't a constant.

[kengs333]

Was Harper even referring to the Brant Expositor? Was he referring to land claims in the Brantford area? Can you provide a quote for what he actually said?

And sorry, going through the paper 'enough' doesn't cut it. News isn't a constant.

He was in Brantford and was asked about the local development that had been halted because of SN protests.

Yeah, going through it does cut it. It's something I've done, and you haven't. I know what I'm talking about, you don't.

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[cybercoma]

For the hundredth time, what exactly was Harper claiming and what is your issue? I don't want hear your opinion again of what was said, I want you to post a link with Harper's exact words or a recounting from a reliable source. Is it really so difficult for you to have an intelligent discussion? You come on here with your conjecture addled with ignorance and wonder why everyone thinks you're an imbecile. Substantiate your claims for god's sake.

[Vancouver King]

Harper--who earlier addressed a crowd in Brantford--claims that he's a hockey historian, and that looking through old newspapers he's come across articles from a hundred years ago discussing land claims issues. Really? I would certainly like to see him substantiate this, but of course wouldn't or couldn't because it is such an outrageous fabrication he knows that few would recognize this fact. It's certainly not something that will or would cost him an election, but it speaks volumes about his honesty and integrity, the ease with which he can lie to Canadians.

Integrity? When he advised Canadians to wade into the stock market days ago he proved he hasn't a shred of integrity in his body. Voters following his advice are now another 20% poorer than before he opened his mouth.

[noahbody]

He was in Brantford and was asked about the local development that had been halted because of SN protests.

Yeah, going through it does cut it. It's something I've done, and you haven't. I know what I'm talking about, you don't.

The problem is you don't know what Harper was talking about. Did he say he read about land claims in the newspaper, Brantford land claims in the newspaper, land claims in the Expositor or Brantford land claims in the Expositor?

Your opening post accuses him of reading about land claims in newspaper archives. If that's all you know, this is the biggest waste of a thread ever.

[cybercoma]

Integrity? When he advised Canadians to wade into the stock market days ago he proved he hasn't a shred of integrity in his body. Voters following his advice are now another 20% poorer than before he opened his mouth.

Which is still 50% richer than they were in 2001, that's the nature of the market.

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[Vancouver King]

Which is still 50% richer than they were in 2001, that's the nature of the market.

and 60% better than in 1927. What's your point?

[cybercoma]

and 60% better than in 1927. What's your point?

The stock market is a long term investment. You can't take a 24 month snapshot and freak out over a drop. It will continue to grow over time with several ups and downs between. In fact, now would be a great time to start investing because stocks are cheap and if you don't have to take the money out for more than a decade, you'll be laughing your way to the bank.

[kengs333]

Integrity? When he advised Canadians to wade into the stock market days ago he proved he hasn't a shred of integrity in his body. Voters following his advice are now another 20% poorer than before he opened his mouth.

Very true!

[Riverwind]

Integrity? When he advised Canadians to wade into the stock market days ago he proved he hasn't a shred of integrity in his body. Voters following his advice are now another 20% poorer than before he opened his mouth.

Only an idiot would blindly buy stocks in today's market. People who are careful about what they buy can pick up some real bargins which will likely recover quite quickly one the panic subsides.

[Vancouver King]

Only an idiot would blindly buy stocks in today's market. People who are careful about what they buy can pick up some real bargins which will likely recover quite quickly one the panic subsides.

Only an idiot PM would advise buying into the current market.

[kengs333]

The problem is you don't know what Harper was talking about. Did he say he read about land claims in the newspaper, Brantford land claims in the newspaper, land claims in the Expositor or Brantford land claims in the Expositor?

Your opening post accuses him of reading about land claims in newspaper archives. If that's all you know, this is the biggest waste of a thread ever.

Apparently, I'm the one who was watching him, not you, and I'll repeat what the situation was. He was in Brantford, and he was asked by a journalist from the Brantford Expositor his opinions on the landclaim issue in Brantford; there are specific developments in Brantford that are being delayed and this is costing millions of dollars. He replied that, because he researches early hockey, he knows that back a hundred years ago that land claims issues were being discussed in the newspapers. He didn't say in Brantford specifically, nor did he say in the Brantford Expositor, but the question was in regards to Brantford, and the only newspaper in Brantford at the time was the Brantford Expositor.