Anyone who has anything against Harper - post here.

Topaz · October 7, 2008

One thing that bugs me about Harper is when he says that the Cons have created more jobs and has a surplus. The fact are HE didn't create those jobs, Alberta did and the surplus was left over by the Libs by a better finance minister than we have now! The only jobs HE may have created are the PARTIME workers or the retrained workers who are working at Timmy's or Walmart after losing their job in the manufacturing sector. I wonder after Ottawa, is he going back to Imperial Oil and work for them or maybe a consultant job somewhere for 6-figure pay cheque.

DrGreenthumb · October 7, 2008

One thing that bugs me about Harper is when he says that the Cons have created more jobs and has a surplus. The fact are HE didn't create those jobs, Alberta did and the surplus was left over by the Libs by a better finance minister than we have now! The only jobs HE may have created are the PARTIME workers or the retrained workers who are working at Timmy's or Walmart after losing their job in the manufacturing sector. I wonder after Ottawa, is he going back to Imperial Oil and work for them or maybe a consultant job somewhere for 6-figure pay cheque.

That's the conservative way, kind of like how filmon sold our telephone system to private interests, and now makes a good living working for them. Its like the conservative retirement plan. Shovel money into corporations while in office and then they will look after you once the people boot yer ass out.

BC_chick · October 7, 2008

Edited October 7, 2008 by BC_chick

White Doors · October 7, 2008

That's the conservative way, kind of like how filmon sold our telephone system to private interests, and now makes a good living working for them. Its like the conservative retirement plan. Shovel money into corporations while in office and then they will look after you once the people boot yer ass out.

You want to nationalize the telephone companies?

capricorn · October 7, 2008

One thing that bugs me about Harper is when he says that the Cons have created more jobs and has a surplus.

Wrong. Harper said more jobs have been created since his government has been in office. Big difference.

The fact are HE didn't create those jobs,

Of course he didn't. He also said that the government cannot guarantee the jobs of every single worker in Canada.

I wonder after Ottawa, is he going back to Imperial Oil and work for them or maybe a consultant job somewhere for 6-figure pay cheque.

He told reporters that, unlike some other politicians, once he leaves politics he will not become a political analyst. So I expect he'll do just fine in the private sector and earn a lot more money than he is presently making.

DrGreenthumb · October 7, 2008

He told reporters that, unlike some other politicians, once he leaves politics he will not become a political analyst. So I expect he'll do just fine in the private sector and earn a lot more money than he is presently making.

I'm sure some of the private sector corporations that he is giving 50 billion dollars worth of tax cuts to, will probably sock some of that away as payback for the "prime minister in their pocket".

capricorn · October 7, 2008

I'm sure some of the private sector corporations that he is giving 50 billion dollars worth of tax cuts to, will probably sock some of that away as payback for the "prime minister in their pocket".

He'll probably become a millionaire. Kinda sucks eh?

Hcheh · October 7, 2008

1) bald-faced liar
2) sweater-vests

3) hypocrite

4) war-monger

5) questionable overspending for the military

6) connection to big oil

7) his stance on the environment

8) he's from Alberta

9) former western seperatist

10) was a member of the Reform Party

11) was a member of the Canadian Alliance

12) backstabbing that led to the forming of the CPC

13) Michael Fortier affair

14) muzzling members of his party

15) control freak

16) relationship with the media

17) lack of accountability and transparacy

18) attitude towards the arts

etc. etc. etc.

I said nothing baseless.. please

Hcheh · October 7, 2008

Here is the part from the original post to which I was responding:
That's why I started MY post with

I then proceeded to state all the similarities between the two. Argus, OTOH, wanted to start debating ideology.

Do try and keep up, eh?

Harper being a neo-con and/or alike bush are just some examples of what I hear usually. The thread is about any reason someone shouldn't vote for him

Slim MacSquinty · October 7, 2008

This thread is truly hilarious, being anti Harper is like a grade school clique, you join the group, you feel comfortable but you have no idea why.

Frightening, but funny.

Hcheh · October 7, 2008

This thread is truly hilarious, being anti Harper is like a grade school clique, you join the group, you feel comfortable but you have no idea why.
Frightening, but funny.

That is why I made this thread, so people could explain themselves with factually and/or logically structured arguments.. Let's filter out the pointless slander and what people REALLY think is wrong with him.

tango · October 7, 2008

I think the most dangerous thing about Harper is how he muzzles the MP's and the media.

These are truly anti-democratic moves. I don't believe that Harper truly believes in democracy. To him it is just a system to be distorted so that he can become a dictator. He is not a team player, does not know how to be part of a team, and believes he can rule all of us from his own ideological perspective ... like ... dare I say ... Hitler and other dictators.

Hcheh · October 7, 2008

I think the most dangerous thing about Harper is how he muzzles the MP's and the media.
These are truly anti-democratic moves. I don't believe that Harper truly believes in democracy. To him it is just a system to be distorted so that he can become a dictator. He is not a team player, does not know how to be part of a team, and believes he can rule all of us from his own ideological perspective ... like ... dare I say ... Hitler and other dictators.

This has primarily been my main turn off when it comes to Harper..

Slim MacSquinty · October 7, 2008

"explain themselves with factually and/or logically structured argument"

I'm waiting. In my thirty odd years of participating in elections this one is the most disapointing, not because of the result (we don't know it yet) but because of the candor of the debate, I don't want to hear lies about Dion anymore than I want to hear lies about Harper. The hatred and bigotry of the anti Harper gang is disturbing, and uncanadian.

I am unsure where to lay the blame, certainly the media plays a role, the day after the debate the Star prints a front page picture with all leaders looking at the camera except Harper who has his back to the camera, so much for the integrity of journalism.

The parties have stooped lower than I can ever remember. The propagation of myths seems out of control there is very little fact checking done by anyone in particular the media.

Edited October 7, 2008 by Slim MacSquinty

capricorn · October 7, 2008

That is why I made this thread, so people could explain themselves with factually and/or logically structured arguments.. Let's filter out the pointless slander and what people REALLY think is wrong with him.

This thread is a Liberal/NDP/Green/etc. love-in. It reminds of the debates. Carry on.

Hcheh · October 7, 2008

"explain themselves with factually and/or logically structured argument"
I'm waiting. In my thirty odd years of participating in elections this one is the most disapointing, not because of the result (we don't know it yet) but because of the candor of the debate, I don't want to hear lies about Dion anymore than I want to hear lies about Harper. The hatred and bigotry of the anti Harper gang is disturbing, and uncanadian.

I am unsure where to lay the blame, certainly the media plays a role, the day after the debate the Star prints a front page picture with all leaders looking at the camera except Harper who has his back to the camera, so much for the integrity of journalism.

The parties have stooped lower than I can ever remember. The propagation of myths seems out of control there is very little fact checking done by anyone in particular the media.

Attack ads don't provide much help either.. No one should use attack ads, if you were a true viable candidate, you wouldn't have to deploy such a disgraceful method of campaigning.

Slim MacSquinty · October 8, 2008

I agree but if you go back and look, the cons attack adds made an actual point while calling out Dion, the Liberal ads stoop even lower, have nothing really in the way of facts and are designed to propagate the stereotypes of Harper which are not factual, the kitten eater bush lover stuff.

Alta4ever · October 8, 2008

I'm sure some of the private sector corporations that he is giving 50 billion dollars worth of tax cuts to, will probably sock some of that away as payback for the "prime minister in their pocket".

"Prime Minsiter in the pocket" Do have anything to back that up? Very serious allegation please site the companies, the CEOs and then why we have not seen an RCMP enquiry.

Alta4ever · October 8, 2008

I think the most dangerous thing about Harper is how he muzzles the MP's and the media.
These are truly anti-democratic moves. I don't believe that Harper truly believes in democracy. To him it is just a system to be distorted so that he can become a dictator. He is not a team player, does not know how to be part of a team, and believes he can rule all of us from his own ideological perspective ... like ... dare I say ... Hitler and other dictators.

Please tell me how he has muzzled the media, point to one law created by the CPC that muzzled the media.

As for the thought police and the muzzling of the media, you only have to look as far as the Canadian human rights commision, and its provincial counterparts and these where brought in under Trudeau's watch. GRAB A CLUE AND READ YOUR HISTORY!

Again with the dictator and hitler comparisons, when will you people grab a clue do you even understand what a dictator is or how they operate, or what facism is.

What you truly have to fear in the way of social engineering and loss of freedoms comes from your own back yard Tango. lets look back on history, I would love for you to show me one dictator that cannot be traced to socialist, statist, communist, progressive, marxist ideologies. (all very similar ideologies) (Facism is an evolution from socialist/progressive ideologies).

craiger · October 8, 2008

Quit with the petty stuff harper would have taken us into war with Iraq! Harper is not a leader with good decision skills Harper is a sheep he would have preached weapons of mass destruction lies to the people. Harper does not think for the people he represents he has no brain to make choices, his choices are dictated by elites that will make him huge moneys in the private sector when he is done

Kitch · October 8, 2008

I was privileged to meet a guy who is/was a Captain in the Canadian military. He told me some things and told me that if I knew more things that I'd be disgusted with our government.

Think about the government's reasons for our presence in Afghanistan. I can't remember if it was the conservatives or Martin's liberals that changed our role from being peace keepers to an actual combat role... if it even makes a difference! Either way, any justification about our presence there is based on helping the Afghans and for our own security. Although, the only thing that I can really recall hearing is a conspicuously similar proclamation of improved success toward our goal... an ill defined goal mind you.

ANYWAY, I was told that the only reason we're there is because 1. it helps give us an international voice and 2. the UN pays us $1000/day/soldier if we keep them there. The soldiers apparently get a fraction of this while the government pockets it.

I can't support this claim any further than I have... sorry! If anyone KNOWS this to be untrue, go nuts and refute my words... but the burden of disproof will lay on your shoulders! How hypocritical huh?!

Well, this is definitely not 'support' for our troops, which is something very important to many conservatives. I say support troops, not war... but that's just me. I don't think it's prudent to send citizens into an American war in order to be taken seriously by other countries who would only take us seriously if we're willing to send our citizens to war. So, I suggest that you vote for a party that doesn't have such little respect for the people that they give uniforms and guns to, the worst of which being Harper's conservatives.

Alta4ever · October 8, 2008

Quit with the petty stuff harper would have taken us into war with Iraq! Harper is not a leader with good decision skills Harper is a sheep he would have preached weapons of mass destruction lies to the people. Harper does not think for the people he represents he has no brain to make choices, his choices are dictated by elites that will make him huge moneys in the private sector when he is done

What like from the likes of Power Corp? Better check your facts. Harpers policies are dictated by the polcies of the CPC which are dictated by the grassroots of the party, all policy comes from the members, is voted on by the members, and approved by the members. The CPC is the only party in Canada that has this bottom up approach. The rest all dictate policy from the top down. So while you may not like the policy comming from the CPC, it is infact comming directly from the citizens of the country, not the elites.

Alta4ever · October 8, 2008

I was privileged to meet a guy who is/was a Captain in the Canadian military. He told me some things and told me that if I knew more things that I'd be disgusted with our government.
Think about the government's reasons for our presence in Afghanistan. I can't remember if it was the conservatives or Martin's liberals that changed our role from being peace keepers to an actual combat role... if it even makes a difference! Either way, any justification about our presence there is based on helping the Afghans and for our own security. Although, the only thing that I can really recall hearing is a conspicuously similar proclamation of improved success toward our goal... an ill defined goal mind you.

ANYWAY, I was told that the only reason we're there is because 1. it helps give us an international voice and 2. the UN pays us $1000/day/soldier if we keep them there. The soldiers apparently get a fraction of this while the government pockets it.

I can't support this claim any further than I have... sorry! If anyone KNOWS this to be untrue, go nuts and refute my words... but the burden of disproof will lay on your shoulders! How hypocritical huh?!

Well, this is definitely not 'support' for our troops, which is something very important to many conservatives. I say support troops, not war... but that's just me. I don't think it's prudent to send citizens into an American war in order to be taken seriously by other countries who would only take us seriously if we're willing to send our citizens to war. So, I suggest that you vote for a party that doesn't have such little respect for the people that they give uniforms and guns to, the worst of which being Harper's conservatives.

We were never peace keepers in Afganistan, it has been a combat role from day one, it was not a UN led peacekeeping mission it was and is NATO sactioned war on terror (it was given UN approval).

I hate using wiki but every once in a while they do get something have way right.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Afghan...2%80%93present)

So now that you and your source have been disproven, keep rambling.

I also have friends in the military i(n fact one has been in theater 3 times), not one of them has ever said anything like what you have accused.

Kitch · October 8, 2008

We were never peace keepers in Afganistan, it has been a combat role from day one, it was not a UN led peacekeeping mission it was and is NATO sactioned war on terror (it was given UN approval).
I hate using wiki but every once in a while they do get something have way right.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Afghan...2%80%93present)

So now that you and your source have been disproven, keep rambling.

I also have friends in the military i(n fact one has been in theater 3 times), not one of them has ever said anything like what you have accused.

The fact that I mistook some of the aspects of what I was told... rather forgot or didn't care about those details at the time... does NOT disprove my source. It's not an accusation... and I'm guessing your buddies' rankings aren't all that high. Nice try though dude.

craiger · October 8, 2008

What like from the likes of Power Corp? Better check your facts. Harpers policies are dictated by the polcies of the CPC which are dictated by the grassroots of the party, all policy comes from the members, is voted on by the members, and approved by the members. The CPC is the only party in Canada that has this bottom up approach. The rest all dictate policy from the top down. So while you may not like the policy comming from the CPC, it is infact comming directly from the citizens of the country, not the elites.

Are you saying the Canada’s national police college was about to sacrifice the lives of Canadians in a war founded on lies?