New Liberal Ad -- "New Low"

[JaysFan]

Hey Argus, remember this classic ad?

Good times eh?

[Bryan]

Hey Argus, remember this classic ad?

Good times eh?

The Party that produced those ads no longer exists.

[August1991]

Hey Argus, remember this classic ad?

Good times eh?

Chretien just loved that one. You can see his ego get bigger as he delivers his lines.

I also think Chretien was good at delivering one-liners. He had the right timing and intonation. He also had the wisdom to hire good writers.

[capricorn]

No one who supports the Liberals has any right to accuse any other party of running a dirty campaign, because clearly, you like them.

Dion added it’s important the Liberal party has debates that are meaningful and respectful.

“I’m very disappointed by the attitude of the Conservatives with their attack ads, low-blow politics, and we should not be one of them at all. We should keep the high road,” he said. “It’s what Canadians deserve. It’s what they want and it’s what they will have with us.”

http://www.stcatharinesstandard.ca/Article....aspx?e=1107579

When the Conservatives put out an ad about Dion it is to point to his lack of leadership and his failures in politics. That's fair game. But using the deaths of 18 Canadians for political opportunism is despicable. Canadians know the difference.

[JaysFan]

The Party that produced those ads no longer exists.

The party that produced those ads, can you recall the name of the final leader of it and the deal he made with the party which he merged it in with?

Peter McKay and Harper's Reform Party in case it slipped your memory.

The Conservatives would have you believe they're the old Progressive Conservatives though rather than the Reform party or they'd have kept the Reformed Alliance name.

Hence the ad is indeed relevant to the discussion.

[Smallc]

http://www.stcatharinesstandard.ca/Article....aspx?e=1107579

When the Conservatives put out an ad about Dion it is to point to his lack of leadership and his failures in politics. That's fair game. But using the deaths of 18 Canadians for political opportunism is despicable. Canadians know the difference.

But yet you are the same person that will defend what the Minister said.

[JaysFan]

http://www.stcatharinesstandard.ca/Article....aspx?e=1107579

When the Conservatives put out an ad about Dion it is to point to his lack of leadership and his failures in politics. That's fair game. But using the deaths of 18 Canadians for political opportunism is despicable. Canadians know the difference.

Political opportunism?

I think of it as the Liberals demanding accountability of the Conservatives for the deaths of 18 Canadians due to the Conservatives mindless cuts. It was their de-regulation of meat inspection which led to this. It was their failure to accept the basic responsibility of government in the safety of the Canadian food supply.

See Walkerton redeux:

[capricorn]

I think of it as the Liberals demanding accountability of the Conservatives for the deaths of 18 Canadians due to the Conservatives mindless cuts.

I think of it as Dion and the Liberals breaking their word that they would take the high road in the campaign.

They'll have ample opportunity to do so when Parliament resumes and they are sitting in opposition.

[JaysFan]

I think of it as Dion and the Liberals breaking their word that they would take the high road in the campaign.

They'll have ample opportunity to do so when Parliament resumes and they are sitting in opposition.

So you don't believe in holding those responsible accountable for their actions then?

Ok. Apparently it's perfectly acceptable to you that the Conservatives break their word of being an accountable government.

So much for the Conservatives promises of accountability eh?

Edited September 20, 2008 by JaysFan

[capricorn]

So you don't believe in holding those responsible accountable for their actions then?

Ok. Apparently it's perfectly acceptable to you that the Conservatives break their word of being an accountable government.

What gibberish is this? I'm aware that genuine panic is settling in with those who fear a Conservative victory on October 14, but jaysfan, you're really stretching things with that comeback.

[JaysFan]

What gibberish is this? I'm aware that genuine panic is settling in with those who fear a Conservative victory on October 14, but jaysfan, you're really stretching things with that comeback.

Gibberish?

Gibberish as in your spinning the message and your complete dodge of why Canadians shouldn't be holding the Conservatives accountable for their actions?

It's obvious you're well versed in how not to accept accountability.

[JaysFan]

http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/rapidpdf/cmaj.081477v2.pdf

In August Canada experienced the worst epidemic of listeriosis in the world.

Contaminated cold cuts from a Toronto meat processing plant have, as of Sept. 12, 2008, killed at least 16 Canadians from among 43 confirmed cases of listeriosis in half the country’s provinces.

Already the death toll is more than double that of the notorious Escherichia coli outbreak in Walkerton, Ontario. And since Listeria monocytogenes can remain latent for 2 to 3 months, the deaths, illnesses and other effects such as spontaneous abortions may not be over yet.

What went wrong? As in the Walkerton and SARS epidemics, an outbreak of this size may point to systemic failures across multiple levels. Listeria is the biological agent, cold cuts the vector, but the ultimate cause may be found in risky government decisions.

Last November the Canadian government instituted a strategic review of the Canadian Food Inspection Agency(CFIA). Among its outcomes was to transfer inspection duties for ready-to-eat meats from the government inspectors to the meat industry. Cabinet decided to “shift from full-time CFIA meat inspection presence to an oversight role, [thereby] allowing industry to implement food safety control programs and to manage key risks.

In practice, the new policy meant that CFIA inspectors would rarely enter meat plants to test for bacteria and testing was left mostly to companies. Self-inspection came largely to substitute for, and not just to supplement, government inspection. Self-inspection mechanisms have worked effectively in other countries, but in Canada something went very wrong.

One troubling sign is that even now, months after the policy change, the CFIA’s required sampling procedure remains under development.

Maple Leaf Foods, the company at whose plant the Listeria contamination originated, was an early adopter of the government’s new plan. And why not? The new policy made self-inspection easy: the company had to keep up good manufacturing practices in its plant and to test finished products just once monthly.

Edited September 21, 2008 by JaysFan

[capricorn]

Gibberish as in your spinning the message and your complete dodge of why Canadians shouldn't be holding the Conservatives accountable for their actions?

We went from discussing the Liberal ad to you asking for my views on keeping government accountable. You deliberately turned the tables to make it a discussion about me.

It's obvious you're well versed in how not to accept accountability.

More diversion on your part. It is not about me. Don't you get it?

[JaysFan]

We went from discussing the Liberal ad to you asking for my views on keeping government accountable. You deliberately turned the tables to make it a discussion about me.

Wrong. You had a problem with the Liberals ad because it holds the Conservatives accountable for their actions. You implied that the Liberals were wrong to do so.

More diversion on your part. It is not about me. Don't you get it?

Oh I get it, you're still dodging the question of accountability with your spin.

[Wild Bill]

Wrong. You had a problem with the Liberals ad because it holds the Conservatives accountable for their actions. You implied that the Liberals were wrong to do so.

Oh I get it, you're still dodging the question of accountability with your spin.

If you're so hung up on accountability then why do you mention Walkerton and make NO mention of Mr. Cable?

Obviously, you don't think he is accountable!

[capricorn]

Wrong. You had a problem with the Liberals ad because it holds the Conservatives accountable for their actions.

So now you're trying to read my mind? Must be because I never wrote anything of the sort.

You implied that the Liberals were wrong to do so.

Guess what? You're right. I said the ad smacked of political opportunism.

Oh I get it, you're still dodging the question of accountability with your spin.

I have absolutely no intention of discussing the question of government accountability with you on a thread titled: New Liberal Ad-New Low.

[JaysFan]

If you're so hung up on accountability then why do you mention Walkerton and make NO mention of Mr. Cable?

Obviously, you don't think he is accountable!

Sorry I'm not up on the latest of Cons acronyms. Who specifically is Mr Cable?

I mention Walkerton because the comparisons are very real. Both the result of Conservative cuts to proper government run inspections

[JaysFan]

So now you're trying to read my mind? Must be because I never wrote anything of the sort.

Flip

Guess what? You're right. I said the ad smacked of political opportunism.

Flop

One word comes to mind, contradiction.

I have absolutely no intention of discussing the question of government accountability with you on a thread titled: New Liberal Ad-New Low.

Of course you don't. God forbid you'd find yourself trying to defend the refusal of the Conservatives to be held accountable for their actions, something which the Liberals new ad points out.

[kimmy]

The Liberal ad is criticizing the PM for not firing a guy who made a crass remark. Trying to spin this as a call for accountability in the listeriosis outbreak is either dumb or dishonest.

-k

[JaysFan]

The Liberal ad is criticizing the PM for not firing a guy who made a crass remark. Trying to spin this as a call for accountability in the listeriosis outbreak is either dumb or dishonest.

-k

Of course that's your opinion based on your own biased Conservative views right?

The ad is all about accountability and how Harper refuses to accept his Minister and his government's role in it.

[kimmy]

Why do people talk about the Republicans in the US as if they invented dirty campaigning? The Liberals have been conducting dirty campaigns my entire life, campaigns filled with mockery, ridicule, lies, and smears against their opponents.

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No one who supports the Liberals has any right to accuse any other party of running a dirty campaign, because clearly, you like them.

Thanks for addressing BC Chick's attempt to portray negative advertising as something brand new in Canadian politics that never existed until some CPC honks lifted it from Karl Rove's playbook. It struck me as a highly selective version of Canadian history, to put it charitably. Like, did I just imagine the Chretien era, or what?

-k

[Topaz]

If one of your loved ones had died in this tragedy, how would you feel about having this Liberal ad in your face day after day on television?

Madder at the person who said it and who is a minister in Canada's government. The ad does prove a point about Harper, he only rejects members who vote against his policies, (Bill Casey) not what they say! Ritz and the guy who said things about gays.

[capricorn]

God forbid you'd find yourself trying to defend the refusal of the Conservatives to be held accountable for their actions, something which the Liberals new ad points out.

God forbid that you failed to respond to my post about Dion breaking his promise that he would maintain the high road during the campaign.

[JaysFan]

Thanks for addressing BC Chick's attempt to portray negative advertising as something brand new in Canadian politics that never existed until some CPC honks lifted it from Karl Rove's playbook. It struck me as a highly selective version of Canadian history, to put it charitably. Like, did I just imagine the Chretien era, or what?

-k

No, you didn't imagine the Chretien era at all. Although I'm sure many Conservatives have a very selective memory of the Conservatives own negative advertising.

http://archives.cbc.ca/politics/prime_mini...ics/2084-12983/

[capricorn]

Madder at the person who said it and who is a minister in Canada's government.

OK. Now I know how you personally would react to the ad.

Edited September 21, 2008 by capricorn