scorpio Posted February 25, 2010 Report Posted February 25, 2010 No citizenship = no vote. Isnt' that how it is now?? Quote
Moonlight Graham Posted February 26, 2010 Report Posted February 26, 2010 Personally I think that any voting for any level of government should be only after they waited their 3 years and became Canadian... they should show at least some commitment to Canada before being given the right to vote. I also don't think dual-citizenship should be allowed... therefore showing true commitment... but that is a whole other topic. i agree with you 100% on both issues. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Moonlight Graham Posted February 26, 2010 Report Posted February 26, 2010 Then jump on your boat and flock off back to Europe good one i like that. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Oleg Bach Posted February 26, 2010 Report Posted February 26, 2010 Dispite what some of the citizens with out boarders believe, globalism is not yet a legal entity or concept. The AMERICANS have the same problem on a massive scale as far as citizens rights are concerned. those migrants from Mexico and further south arrive on American terf and demand rights under the constitution. One would assume to have real civil rights in a nation you have to be born or adopted into that nation- to have the right to vote in any capacity and not being a citizen is bizzare-- WHY DON'T WE ALL VOTE IN THE RUSSIAN ELECTIONS STARTING TOMORROW? Quote
Oleg Bach Posted February 28, 2010 Report Posted February 28, 2010 You don't drive a car unless you have a permit from the state..and you should not vote unless you are offically and lawfully permitted..what the hell...are we nations or a hodge podge of territories run by some lunitics at the UN who pray to a rock in the basement? Quote
Oleg Bach Posted February 28, 2010 Report Posted February 28, 2010 Arriving as an infant less than a year old from Britain...back in 1950...I was not a full citizen..because I had not taken the pledge of loyalty and trust...by the time I was ten years old-- and coherent enough to understand-I stood in the offical office of governance and took the pledge--- I still have the certificate and am a certified Canadian citizen granted all the rights, and obligations..I am lawful in that respect--Those that arrive as immigrants or simple economic interlopers can not demand citizenship with out swearing the oath of loyalty...WHY should citizens grant protection and privledge to those who do not grant it to us? We are not a family to be used..nor a nation of internationally submissive twits. IT'S like having a house guest enter and demand access to the food- the funds and the shelter - yet they have not committed to contributing to the common purse which is not the common wealth of all who enter but the wealth of those in respectful mutual co-operation and duty to the national family. Quote
Wilber Posted February 28, 2010 Report Posted February 28, 2010 Arriving as an infant less than a year old from Britain...back in 1950...I was not a full citizen..because I had not taken the pledge of loyalty and trust...by the time I was ten years old-- and coherent enough to understand-I stood in the offical office of governance and took the pledge--- I still have the certificate and am a certified Canadian citizen granted all the rights, and obligations..I am lawful in that respect--Those that arrive as immigrants or simple economic interlopers can not demand citizenship with out swearing the oath of loyalty...WHY should citizens grant protection and privledge to those who do not grant it to us? We are not a family to be used..nor a nation of internationally submissive twits. IT'S like having a house guest enter and demand access to the food- the funds and the shelter - yet they have not committed to contributing to the common purse which is not the common wealth of all who enter but the wealth of those in respectful mutual co-operation and duty to the national family. Great Post. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
wyly Posted March 1, 2010 Report Posted March 1, 2010 We are not a family to be used..nor a nation of internationally submissive twits. IT'S like having a house guest enter and demand access to the food- the funds and the shelter - yet they have not committed to contributing to the common purse which is not the common wealth of all who enter but the wealth of those in respectful mutual co-operation and duty to the national family. in 1950 those arriving from Britain were not required to have citizenship to vote plus they could hold government office and employment, how ironic you deny other immigrants a vote and other benefits while Brits had privilege these are not guests they are landed immigrants/permanent residents... productive tax paying residents, there should be no issue giving them a vote in municipal and provincial elections... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
M.Dancer Posted March 1, 2010 Report Posted March 1, 2010 in 1950 those arriving from Britain were not required to have citizenship to vote plus they could hold government office and employment, how ironic you deny other immigrants a vote and other benefits while Brits had privilege But it isn't done anymore so that argument no longer has any gravity. these are not guests they are landed immigrants/permanent residents... productive tax paying residents, there should be no issue giving them a vote in municipal and provincial elections... Their disinclination to become citizens disinclines me to support their enfranchisement. Nor does the argument that they pay tax. Unless you wish to set a benchmark for immigrants that they own a certain value of property in the community they reside...I for one would not like to see the right to vote tied to wealth. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
wyly Posted March 1, 2010 Report Posted March 1, 2010 But it isn't done anymore so that argument no longer has any gravity. but the precedent was there, non citizens had the right to vote in federal elections...Their disinclination to become citizens disinclines me to support their enfranchisement. Nor does the argument that they pay tax. Unless you wish to set a benchmark for immigrants that they own a certain value of property in the community they reside...I for one would not like to see the right to vote tied to wealth.I'd like to see the right to vote and to hold office tied to education...I'd also like to see Canadian born take the citizenship test as well before becoming politically active Federally Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
M.Dancer Posted March 1, 2010 Report Posted March 1, 2010 but the precedent was there, non citizens had the right to vote in federal elections... That isn't what we would call a precedent...more like a loophole, which is closed. I am no more in favour of allowing British Commonwealth members that russians voting without being citizens I'd like to see the right to vote and to hold office tied to education... That's been tried before in the States and is considered very undemocratic. I'd also like to see Canadian born take the citizenship test as well before becoming politically active Federally The citizen test is so simple that only an idiot could fail. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Argus Posted March 1, 2010 Report Posted March 1, 2010 The citizen test is so simple that only an idiot could fail. Are you suggesting we have very few idiots in Canada? Or that it would not benefit the country as a whole if they didn't vote? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
wyly Posted March 2, 2010 Report Posted March 2, 2010 That isn't what we would call a precedent...more like a loophole, which is closed. I am no more in favour of allowing British Commonwealth members that russians voting without being citizens why are commonwealth memebrs any less likely to be spies? there is no difference a russian is as honest as an englishman...That's been tried before in the States and is considered very undemocratic. it was used to prevent Blacks from voting not idiots from voting...it could work, anyone without grade a minimum high school education by 2022 does not vote, those from before are grand fathered...The citizen test is so simple that only an idiot could fail.really, based on results at my kids High school(one of albertas best) most Canadian high school students fail, I would guess most Candians would have a very difficult time with it... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
M.Dancer Posted March 2, 2010 Report Posted March 2, 2010 why are commonwealth memebrs any less likely to be spies? there is no difference a russian is as honest as an englishman... Whomsaid anything about spies....we are talking about foreignors it was used to prevent Blacks from voting not idiots from voting...it could work, anyone without grade a minimum high school education by 2022 does not vote, those from before are grand fathered... How white of you really, based on results at my kids High school(one of albertas best) most Canadian high school students fail, I would guess most Candians would have a very difficult time with it... Well if that is your guess....that's your guess. I have known more that a few who have become citizens and I hgave read the study book..the questions easy. Some examples: What is the meaning of the Remembrance Day poppy? a) To remember our Sovereign, Queen Elizabeth II. To celebrate Confederation. c) To honour prime ministers who have died. d) To remember the sacrifice of Canadians who have served or died in wars up to the present day. Who is your Member of Parliament? What are the three levels of government? What is the role of the courts in Canada? In Canada, are you allowed to question the police about their service or conduct? Name two Canadian symbols. What provinces are sometimes referred to as the Atlantic Provinces? What is the capital of the province or territory that you live in? http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/pdf/pub/discover.pdf Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
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