Next Fringe Party to Make the Transition?

[Ontario Loyalist]

Well, the Liberals may just implode in this election, and be replaced by either the NDP or the Greens; once either or both of these parties enter the mainstream it is inevitable that they will engender the same kind of issues with voters that the Liberals do and have; what party will become the focus of discontented voters seeking a change...?

Edited September 8, 2008 by Ontario Loyalist

[Ontario Loyalist]

Well, the Liberals may just implode in this election, and be replaced by either the NDP or the Greens; once either or both of these parties enter the mainstream it is inevitable that they will engender the same kind of issues with voters that the Liberals do and have; what party will become the focus of discontented voters seeking a change...?

where's the poll?

[M.Dancer]

Well, the Liberals may just implode in this election, and be replaced by either the NDP or the Greens; once either or both of these parties enter the mainstream it is inevitable that they will engender the same kind of issues with voters that the Liberals do and have; what party will become the focus of discontented voters seeking a change...?

I don't follow. The NDP have been on the scene for decades and they don't engender the same kind of issues that the Liberals do. Kind of hard for a very left wing party to be ever considered mainstream when the electorate tends to reside in the middle.

The Liberals may collapse. If they do they will replace Dion and then regain the middle, where the Conservative currently reside.

[Ontario Loyalist]

I don't follow. The NDP have been on the scene for decades and they don't engender the same kind of issues that the Liberals do. Kind of hard for a very left wing party to be ever considered mainstream when the electorate tends to reside in the middle.

The Liberals may collapse. If they do they will replace Dion and then regain the middle, where the Conservative currently reside.

Well, the Conservatives were a "very" right wing party (still are in some respects) yet they seem to have made the transition into "the middle". It's quite possible that the NDP could achieve that as well...

[M.Dancer]

Well, the Conservatives were a "very" right wing party (still are in some respects) yet they seem to have made the transition into "the middle". It's quite possible that the NDP could achieve that as well...

The conservatives have never been anything but a big tent party like the liberals and unlike the NDP. The NDP would have to cease being the NDP to be a big tent party. That would mean ditching their raison d'etre.

[Moonbox]

The Liberals may implode, but it won't be as bad as it was for the post-mulroney right. It will just be a bad couple of years maybe. I don't think they'll win this election, but I think there is enough people in Ontario to keep them alive and relevant in the years to come.

[Ontario Loyalist]

The conservatives have never been anything but a big tent party like the liberals and unlike the NDP. The NDP would have to cease being the NDP to be a big tent party. That would mean ditching their raison d'etre.

No, the Conservatives are just the Reform party in blue. You confuse the Conservatives with the Progressive Conservatives, which still exist under the name Progressive Canadian Party.

[Ontario Loyalist]

The Liberals may implode, but it won't be as bad as it was for the post-mulroney right. It will just be a bad couple of years maybe. I don't think they'll win this election, but I think there is enough people in Ontario to keep them alive and relevant in the years to come.

Oh, you never know. I can see Ontarians going Green; both discontented voters from the Cons and Liberals need to go somewhere... it remains to be seen if they will bounce back, but I think that the Liberals may actaully be beyond hope.

[White Doors]

No, the Conservatives are just the Reform party in blue. You confuse the Conservatives with the Progressive Conservatives, which still exist under the name Progressive Canadian Party.

The 'Progressive' Conservatives got taken over by populist socialism when they were reduced to a rump of a party by Kim Campbell. The real PC's migrated to the Conservatives.

[M.Dancer]

No, the Conservatives are just the Reform party in blue. You confuse the Conservatives with the Progressive Conservatives, which still exist under the name Progressive Canadian Party.

That is an erroneous opinion. The CA and the PCs legally merged. The Progressive Conservative party of Canada is defunct, no longer in existence.

The Progressive Canadian Party is legally, a new party. It is also a fringe party....

[Moonbox]

I don't think that's fair to say. Yes, much of the CPC's support comes from the same place as the reform, but much of it comes from the rest of Canada.

The CPC is altogether different than the reform in that its policies appeal to all of Canada rather than just the west. As far as I'm concerned, it's as if the reform party never happened.

[Ontario Loyalist]

I don't think that's fair to say. Yes, much of the CPC's support comes from the same place as the reform, but much of it comes from the rest of Canada.

The CPC is altogether different than the reform in that its policies appeal to all of Canada rather than just the west. As far as I'm concerned, it's as if the reform party never happened.

The Reform party received much support from the rest of Canada, as well. The part may have elevolved a little, but it still is essentially the Reform/CA. Of course some PCs joined for political expediency, simply wanting a conservative government regardless of the party's policies.

[Ontario Loyalist]

That is an erroneous opinion. The CA and the PCs legally merged. The Progressive Conservative party of Canada is defunct, no longer in existence.

The Progressive Canadian Party is legally, a new party. It is also a fringe party....

The parties didn't really merge; the PCs were absorbed by the CA which took on the outward appaearance of the old Tories in an effort to shed its image of being a radical western republican-style party.

Whatever the case with the Progressive Canadians, they carry on the legacy of the Tory party...

[eyeball]

The Reform party received much support from the rest of Canada, as well. The part may have elevolved a little, but it still is essentially the Reform/CA. Of course some PCs joined for political expediency, simply wanting a conservative government regardless of the party's policies.

Its still seems like the same old CRAP to me.

[Wild Bill]

The parties didn't really merge; the PCs were absorbed by the CA which took on the outward appaearance of the old Tories in an effort to shed its image of being a radical western republican-style party.

Whatever the case with the Progressive Canadians, they carry on the legacy of the Tory party...

Well, if the CA took on such an appearance as a convenient facade, they've done an excellent job!

I haven't been able to see a single blessed trace of the old Reform Party in the new Tories since the merger!

Other than your tin foil hat suspicions, could you cite me at least 3 things in common with Reform? Or two? Or one!

Other than the names have a couple of the same letters?

I can understand that you don't like them but you seem to be bruiting your opinions with your own set of facts. It makes you look simply partisan and detracts from the value of your arguments.

[Ontario Loyalist]

Well, if the CA took on such an appearance as a convenient facade, they've done an excellent job!

I haven't been able to see a single blessed trace of the old Reform Party in the new Tories since the merger!

Other than your tin foil hat suspicions, could you cite me at least 3 things in common with Reform? Or two? Or one!

Other than the names have a couple of the same letters?

I can understand that you don't like them but you seem to be bruiting your opinions with your own set of facts. It makes you look simply partisan and detracts from the value of your arguments.

Elected Senate. Both the Reform and CPC want an elected senate.

The only reason the CPC dropped some of its more radical agendas is because they realized that to govern means to appeal to a broader base of voters and party supporters. It doesn't mean that these ideas are dead; they're just waiting for a majority government to be resurrected.

Edited September 9, 2008 by Ontario Loyalist

[Ontario Loyalist]

It's too bad this poll thingy didn't work. The discussion was to be about which party--if any--would break out of the fringe status with the possible demise of the Liberals and NDP and the mainstreaming of the Greens. Where will those seeking an alternative go? CAP? Libertarians?