PoliticalCitizen Posted October 9, 2008 Author Report Posted October 9, 2008 Do you not realize that it was the British who were the first to free the slaves, condem it, and fight it? I respect that. Now that we got rid of slavery let's get rid of the remainders of British rule, like many other former colonies did. Quote You are what you do.
g_bambino Posted October 9, 2008 Report Posted October 9, 2008 Foreign Monarch is both a symbol of usurping the people and disowning the country. Me no like queeny lady. She upown ground me live on. Quote
g_bambino Posted October 9, 2008 Report Posted October 9, 2008 Now that we got rid of slavery let's get rid of the remainders of British rule, like many other former colonies did. British rule is gone already. Next? Quote
tango Posted October 9, 2008 Report Posted October 9, 2008 (edited) The queen does not own our land, and the monarch did not write our constitution our constitution was given to us by the British parliment, we have molded it and shaped it ourselves.Did you know that we could end up with a different successor to the Canadian throne than the British? When the British changed their sucession laws we did not. You are correct that the Queen does not own 'our' land, but perhaps not for the reason you think. The 'Crown' holds land 'in trust' for Indigenous Peoples who hold the underlying Aboriginal Title. The Crown's title is vested in the treaties, and your property title is vested in the Crown's title. The Crown's treaties allow us to live on Indigenous land. That is why we are tied to the Crown - the Queen's treaties define Canada - define our rights to live here. Canada's Treaties with Indigenous Nations Edited October 9, 2008 by tango Quote My Canada includes rights of Indigenous Peoples. Love it or leave it, eh! Peace.
Hcheh Posted October 9, 2008 Report Posted October 9, 2008 British rule is gone already. Next? lol , despite the fact that it has been stated a million times, he can't wrap his head around the fact that the queen is the queen of CANADA Quote
PoliticalCitizen Posted October 9, 2008 Author Report Posted October 9, 2008 Why shouldn't you be able to keep your language and knowledge of your cultures? You can keep your languages and the knowledge of your culture.. However, Canada comes first. One of the responsibilities of a Canadian citizen is to protect the Canadian heritage. And participate in shaping its future. Quote You are what you do.
PoliticalCitizen Posted October 9, 2008 Author Report Posted October 9, 2008 lol , despite the fact that it has been stated a million times, he can't wrap his head around the fact that the queen is the queen of CANADA I'm glad you're having fun Now tell me something: Can a Canadian become King or Queen of Canada? Can you wrap your head around that? I think all the brainwashing somehow convinced you and other participants of this thread that IT'S OK NOT TO HAVE AN IDENTITY OTHER THAN A FORMER COLONY. Quote You are what you do.
g_bambino Posted October 9, 2008 Report Posted October 9, 2008 lol , despite the fact that it has been stated a million times, he can't wrap his head around the fact that the queen is the queen of CANADA No, it seems he can't. I suspect he doesn't want to. The monarchy is an easy target because it has a long standing tradition of allowing free speech and not fighting back; regard how infrequently there's ever a legal challenge from any member of the Royal Family against the tabloids for the defaming smut they publish. The royals can now be personally bashed in a way that would not be tolerated for any other individual or group. Also regard how the Queen did not weigh in on the republican debate in Australia before 1999, even though it was her position as Queen of Australia on the line. Yes, it's easy to slag the Crown. Quote
PoliticalCitizen Posted October 9, 2008 Author Report Posted October 9, 2008 British rule is gone already. Next? Ummm... Are they gone? REALLY? I think they forgot something... Oh yeah, their QUEEN !!! Quote You are what you do.
Hcheh Posted October 9, 2008 Report Posted October 9, 2008 (edited) And participate in shaping its future. that doesn't have to do with anything related to "self-imposed segregation" as Alta calls it.. and an excellent term for this situation. Edited October 9, 2008 by Hcheh Quote
g_bambino Posted October 9, 2008 Report Posted October 9, 2008 Still ignoring the truth, I see. Now tell me something: Can a Canadian become King or Queen of Canada? Yes. There's one on our money. I think all the brainwashing somehow convinced you and other participants of this thread that IT'S OK NOT TO HAVE AN IDENTITY OTHER THAN A FORMER COLONY. Canada is a former colony, and always will be. Got that? F-o-r-m-e-r colony. Quote
Hcheh Posted October 9, 2008 Report Posted October 9, 2008 No, it seems he can't. I suspect he doesn't want to. The monarchy is an easy target because it has a long standing tradition of allowing free speech and not fighting back; regard how infrequently there's ever a legal challenge from any member of the Royal Family against the tabloids for the defaming smut they publish. The royals can now be personally bashed in a way that would not be tolerated for any other individual or group. Also regard how the Queen did not weigh in on the republican debate in Australia before 1999, even though it was her position as Queen of Australia on the line. Yes, it's easy to slag the Crown. really? I would suspect that the queen would have me bow down and have my head chopped off Quote
PoliticalCitizen Posted October 9, 2008 Author Report Posted October 9, 2008 I think I'm beginning to get it... It looks like there are Canadians like you, Hcheh and bambino, that are PROUD of the monarchy, even though their Queen resides in a different country... I'm wondering how the Quebequois feel about that... Quote You are what you do.
Smallc Posted October 9, 2008 Report Posted October 9, 2008 Now tell me something: Can a Canadian become King or Queen of Canada?Can you wrap your head around that? The Queen is not a citizen of any country. Can you wrap your head around that? Quote
Alta4ever Posted October 9, 2008 Report Posted October 9, 2008 Because they are xxx (adjective)-Canadian (noun)And I'm happily Irish-Canadian. My family has been since 1847. But I live in an Italian-Canadian area, which is fast dispersing. Give it a rest, already. Integration into Canadian life takes time, sometimes a generation. Always has. Your ancestors did too. There are a lot of generalized anti-immigrant slurs in your comments. Perhaps your family had to endure that too. Which wave of immigration is your family from? wiki_Immigration_to_Canada I am not Dutch Canadian althought that is the ancestry on my fathers side I am Canadian, I am Albertian. I have not made any slur and did not intend to offend anyone. I welcome new cultures because I love to learn about them and their history. If you haven't noticed though most of my posts I study history, all history, and love it. I do my very best to read and learn about all cultures and civilizations. There is lessons to be learned in all of it. I just don't share you belief of what multi-culturalism is, I think this is where we differ. Please don't accuse me of something I am not. Both my mother and father's sides came to this country in different waves. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
Alta4ever Posted October 9, 2008 Report Posted October 9, 2008 You are correct that the Queen does not own 'our' land, but perhaps not for the reason you think.The 'Crown' holds land 'in trust' for Indigenous Peoples who hold the underlying Aboriginal Title. The Crown's title is vested in the treaties, and your property title is vested in the Crown's title. The Crown's treaties allow us to live on Indigenous land. That is why we are tied to the Crown - the Queen's treaties define Canada - define our rights to live here. Canada's Treaties with Indigenous Nations That is tied to the Canadian Crown not the British one, there is a difference now that the sucession laws in Britain have changed. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
g_bambino Posted October 9, 2008 Report Posted October 9, 2008 Ummm... Are they gone? REALLY? Yes. Statute of Westminster 1931: No Act of Parliament of the United Kingdom passed after the commencement of this Act shall extend or be deemed to extend, to a Dominion as part of the law of that Dominion, unless it is expressly declared in that Act that that Dominion has requested, and consented to, the enactment thereof. I think they forgot something... Oh yeah, their QUEEN !!! Nope. They have their queen. And we have ours. They are the same lady, though. Quote
Hcheh Posted October 9, 2008 Report Posted October 9, 2008 I am not Dutch Canadian althought that is the ancestry on my fathers side I am Canadian, I am Albertian. I have not made any slur and did not intend to offend anyone. I welcome new cultures because I love to learn about them and their history. If you haven't noticed though most of my posts I study history, all history, and love it. I do my very best to read and learn about all cultures and civilizations. There is lessons to be learned in all of it. I just don't share you belief of what multi-culturalism is, I think this is where we differ. Please don't accuse me of something I am not. Both my mother and father's sides came to this country in different waves. Yes, I believe that the ability of banding together, with many people from many nations, to unite under one entity is a much greater feat than how people are just "accepting and multicultural". It is great to know different languages, cultures and all.. but when it comes to my allegiances and my nationality - I am Canadian, nothing less. Quote
g_bambino Posted October 9, 2008 Report Posted October 9, 2008 That is tied to the Canadian Crown not the British one, there is a difference now that the sucession laws in Britain have changed. No, the treaties are with the Crown-in-Right-of-Canada now. And the succession laws in Britain are still the same as those we have here. Quote
Alta4ever Posted October 9, 2008 Report Posted October 9, 2008 When I was at the Citizenship ceremony and swore allegiance to the queen there were some words said by the person that was taking out oaths. A part of their speech was as follows (or close to it): keep your languages and your cultures, contribute to your communities.It definitely sounded like the Liberals or the Queen or both were ASKING us not to dissolve in the Canadian mass but preserve our ethnic identities. I'm not sure if the Canadians born here realize that... I realize that and want you to retain it, but what I don't want is for you to change mine and my traditions, like the removal of the queen. I want you to respect my traditions and culture as I respect, and want to learn about yours. By wanting to take away my traditional Canadian Monarch you are tring to take away my Canadian Identity. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
PoliticalCitizen Posted October 9, 2008 Author Report Posted October 9, 2008 The Queen is not a citizen of any country. Can you wrap your head around that? Is she entitled to any rights then? Is she protected by the constitution? Does she have a PASSPORT, at least? Quote You are what you do.
Smallc Posted October 9, 2008 Report Posted October 9, 2008 Does she have a PASSPORT, at least? Not that I'm aware of. Quote
g_bambino Posted October 9, 2008 Report Posted October 9, 2008 Is she entitled to any rights then? Some Is she protected by the constitution? She protects the constitution. Does she have a PASSPORT, at least? No. Quote
PoliticalCitizen Posted October 9, 2008 Author Report Posted October 9, 2008 I realize that and want you to retain it, but what I don't want is for you to change mine and my traditions, like the removal of the queen. I want you to respect my traditions and culture as I respect, and want to learn about yours.By wanting to take away my traditional Canadian Monarch you are tring to take away my Canadian Identity. OK, I get it now... So what about Quebec? How could they be possibly happy with an English Queen? Quote You are what you do.
PoliticalCitizen Posted October 9, 2008 Author Report Posted October 9, 2008 Some More than a regular citizen, I assume? Where are they described? She protects the constitution. How? What (other than right of birth) entitles her to do so? No. So all other countries give her free passage? What if the border official is ignorant and doesn't regongize the old lady? Quote You are what you do.
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