Who's Doing What? Posted May 16, 2008 Report Posted May 16, 2008 Can't go as low as the behaviour of some of the posters here. For example the juvenile behaviour of people who continue to call the PM 'Steve' despite his publicly stated preference for Stephen?Or how about Shakeyhand sending me a pm to 'simmer down' on the use of 'Steph' Dion, yet says nothing about Fortunata using Steve? To question the behaviour of one side than behave in a childish and/or with a double-standard. Well that doesn't really get you anywhere and leaves your cries for better behaviour ringing pretty hollow. Oh well, thankfully Steph has pretty much guaranteed he'll never be PM with this ill-advised carbon tax scheme. Didn't you used to call Dion, Stephanie? Oh, Micheal the Martyr, the pure and unbiased. Please shower us with your wisdom. Quote Harper differed with his party on some key policy issues; in 1995, for example, he was one of only two Reform MPs to vote in favour of federal legislation requiring owners to register their guns. http://www.mapleleafweb.com/election/bio/harper.html "You've got to remember that west of Winnipeg the ridings the Liberals hold are dominated by people who are either recent Asian immigrants or recent migrants from eastern Canada: people who live in ghettoes and who are not integrated into western Canadian society." (Stephen Harper, Report Newsmagazine, January 22, 2001)
Who's Doing What? Posted May 16, 2008 Report Posted May 16, 2008 Funny, a commentator on the morning news was talking about smears too - from the Liberal Party. He was talking about how they have been using parliamentary immunity to smear people in the House, but then when questioned outside will prevaricate and dodge in order to not say the same slanderous statements where they do not enjoy immunity.The other parties have done the same thing in the past, he said, but not to the same extent as these Liberals. But of course, one would not hear such a complaint from the Star - or from you. Funny how during the Cadman affair the Liberals were quite open about repeating what they said inside the HoC, outside in the media scrums, even though Harper had already threatened to sue. Have you even watched a question period? I quit watching regularly around a year ago after it was obvious that the CPC was empty and hollow and the only thing they could do was repeat "The previous Liberal Govt....." or simply behave like a ten year old in the school yard "I know you are, but what am I?" They make a total mockery of our political system everytime they open thier mouths. Which is a shame because they have had a few good ideas. They also had some real bad ones, no one is perfect, but their everyday behaviour is just rediculous. Quote Harper differed with his party on some key policy issues; in 1995, for example, he was one of only two Reform MPs to vote in favour of federal legislation requiring owners to register their guns. http://www.mapleleafweb.com/election/bio/harper.html "You've got to remember that west of Winnipeg the ridings the Liberals hold are dominated by people who are either recent Asian immigrants or recent migrants from eastern Canada: people who live in ghettoes and who are not integrated into western Canadian society." (Stephen Harper, Report Newsmagazine, January 22, 2001)
Who's Doing What? Posted May 16, 2008 Report Posted May 16, 2008 What can't you believe? You told me to simmer down and not use Steph. I did ... until I saw Fortunata using Steve. I emailed you letting you know that the 'truce', as you called it, had been broken. Having received that email how could you think that Steve wasn't being used? Don't kid yourself with how respectful you have been to me. How is telling me what to do and ignoring my pm respectful? "Truce"??? Sounds serious. Almost like when Ricki Bobbi would send endless PMs to try and bully his wishes on others. Quote Harper differed with his party on some key policy issues; in 1995, for example, he was one of only two Reform MPs to vote in favour of federal legislation requiring owners to register their guns. http://www.mapleleafweb.com/election/bio/harper.html "You've got to remember that west of Winnipeg the ridings the Liberals hold are dominated by people who are either recent Asian immigrants or recent migrants from eastern Canada: people who live in ghettoes and who are not integrated into western Canadian society." (Stephen Harper, Report Newsmagazine, January 22, 2001)
Shakeyhands Posted May 16, 2008 Report Posted May 16, 2008 "Truce"??? Sounds serious. Almost like when Ricki Bobbi would send endless PMs to try and bully his wishes on others. When MB came back I welcomed him back via pm. I hadn't seen anyone use forst names in quite some time and the tone around here was better for the most part. I told him that there there seemed to be a truce around that particular issue. My fault for trying to be nice, it was taken as me ordering him not to do it. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
kuzadd Posted May 16, 2008 Author Report Posted May 16, 2008 (edited) I'll quote you, kuzadd:Since I accused eyeball of "hating her/himself" (I suspect eyeball is a he but I'll be politically correct), I guess I should respond. what does any of your response have to do with what you said to eyeball? "Eyeball, do you really hate the West that much? Yet, you yourself are a complete product of the West. It is as if you hate yourself." If eyeball was speaking western policies, then these comments out out of line. It is doubtful, eyeball hates the west or him or herself. So rather then address what eyeball said, you smeared eyeball. Which is exactly what the conservatives are doing and what posters on this forum who willingly align themselves with the party do , over and over, which is the point I was making. what makes it even worse, is the consevatives presented themselves as taking the higher ground versus, the Liberals, honesty, transperancey etc., Instead they, like their adherents seem to be stooping as low as possible. Edited May 16, 2008 by kuzadd Quote Insults are the ammunition of the unintelligent - do not use them. It is okay to criticize a policy, decision, action or comment. Such criticism is part of healthy debate. It is not okay to criticize a person's character or directly insult them, regardless of their position or actions. Derogatory terms such as "loser", "idiot", etc are not permitted unless the context clearly implies that it is not serious. Rule of thumb: Play the ball, not the person (i.e. tackle the argument, not the person making it).
Michael Bluth Posted May 16, 2008 Report Posted May 16, 2008 When MB came back I welcomed him back via pm. I hadn't seen anyone use forst names in quite some time and the tone around here was better for the most part. I told him that there there seemed to be a truce around that particular issue. My fault for trying to be nice, it was taken as me ordering him not to do it. There seemed to be a truce, which I observed once you told me about it, until Fortunata started using 'Steve'. Is that fair to say? Fair enough, you didn't mean 'simmer down' as an order. But why no response when I politely told you that Fortunata broke the truce? Hey a truce is a great thing if the only people allowed to break it are on your side of the aisle. Didn't you used to call Dion, Stephanie? Oh, Micheal the Martyr, the pure and unbiased. Please shower us with your wisdom. Yes, I called Dion Stephanie just as many users here called Harper Stevie. When the rules were enforced evenly there was no reason to use that name anymore. Why use Michael the Martyr? It's clearly directed at me, clearly meant as an insult. Please stop it. Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
Argus Posted May 16, 2008 Report Posted May 16, 2008 No one would have to smear anyone in the House if the government would JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION when asked. I would like to see new rules put into place. The seating gov't HAS to answer honestly when asked. No reversing the question, no smearing, belittling , just answer the freakin question!!! To be fair (not something I suspect you really have an interest in) a lot of those questions, if not the majority, are long-winded, insulting and accusatory. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Fortunata Posted May 16, 2008 Report Posted May 16, 2008 To be fair (not something I suspect you really have an interest in) a lot of those questions, if not the majority, are long-winded, insulting and accusatory. No more so than when the Cons were in opposition. The difference is that the Cons still act like an opposition party. Every comment almost has the familiar whine .... but the Liberals.... They need to get a grip and stop acting like a gang of thugs. Quote
Michael Bluth Posted May 16, 2008 Report Posted May 16, 2008 Funny how during the Cadman affair the Liberals were quite open about repeating what they said inside the HoC, outside in the media scrums, even though Harper had already threatened to sue. The Cadman affair is a perfect example of the Liberals lowering the tone in the House of Commons, and outside. Now that the RCMP has found that there is no evidence to file charges will there be any apologies from the LPC? Will the three staffers who made the bribery allegations be dealt with? They should, but I don't think anyone will be holding their breathe. Link Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
scribblet Posted May 16, 2008 Report Posted May 16, 2008 Interesting and not surprising, what will they (Liberals) do now, and how will this affect the libel suit? Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
jdobbin Posted May 16, 2008 Report Posted May 16, 2008 Interesting and not surprising, what will they (Liberals) do now, and how will this affect the libel suit? Up to the Tories now or the judge. The Tories lose though when they resort to going to court every they don't like something political said about them. Decima has shown that there is a price to be paid. Quote
Michael Bluth Posted May 17, 2008 Report Posted May 17, 2008 Up to the Tories now or the judge. The Tories lose though when they resort to going to court every they don't like something political said about them. Decima has shown that there is a price to be paid. So there is no reason for questioning the smear tactics of the Liberals? Three staffers alleged bribery and it's up to the courts? In accusing the Conservatives of bribery the Liberal staffers crossed the line. How is their behaviour defensible now that the RCMP has found there is no basis for laying charges? Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
Topaz Posted May 17, 2008 Report Posted May 17, 2008 So there is no reason for questioning the smear tactics of the Liberals?Three staffers alleged bribery and it's up to the courts? In accusing the Conservatives of bribery the Liberal staffers crossed the line. How is their behaviour defensible now that the RCMP has found there is no basis for laying charges? We still have the statements of Cadman family and just because the RCMP didn't find anything does mean it didn't happen. It just means the Cons are keeping their mouths shut about what really happen. If Cons think that this report sets them free from public opinion I don't think it does, it only means they outsmarted the police! Quote
Shakeyhands Posted May 17, 2008 Report Posted May 17, 2008 I think the CPC will drop their lawsuit now, and hope this slips away in to the night. A lawsuit only presents more questions to be anwsered. If I am wrong, I think this may get quite interesting. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Oleg Bach Posted May 17, 2008 Report Posted May 17, 2008 I think the CPC will drop their lawsuit now, and hope this slips away in to the night. A lawsuit only presents more questions to be anwsered.If I am wrong, I think this may get quite interesting. Smearing a rep is like lieing. Slander is used by the weak and only the counterpart weak actually believe in the smearing..and they don't matter. Quote
Michael Bluth Posted May 17, 2008 Report Posted May 17, 2008 I think the CPC will drop their lawsuit now, and hope this slips away in to the night. A lawsuit only presents more questions to be anwsered.If I am wrong, I think this may get quite interesting. Do you have no opinion on the Liberal staffers who accused the Conservatives of bribery? Why should those charges be dropped? Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
Oleg Bach Posted May 17, 2008 Report Posted May 17, 2008 Do you have no opinion on the Liberal staffers who accused the Conservatives of bribery?Why should those charges be dropped? Hate to interject..but - when you persue a party in a law suit with a just cause..you usually train evil people on how good people think and make the chaos makers stronger..everyone likes a legal fight for sport - but I believe there is never a positive or just out come...I would boycott the creeps and not persue the culprits..why give them your energy and sacrafice good real estate that is the mind by filling it with garbage..suits are a game..and as in anciet times onces you persued the cultprits and corner them..they send off a rider to bring back the tribute money..the rider never comes back...so they will sacrafice a few that are caught but they will never pay up..unless a deal is struck to share the proceeds of the suit no matter what they be..with the participants from the begining..suits are a waste of time..especially political ones..they are simply make work projects for lawyers and judges. Quote
jdobbin Posted May 17, 2008 Report Posted May 17, 2008 I think the CPC will drop their lawsuit now, and hope this slips away in to the night. A lawsuit only presents more questions to be anwsered.If I am wrong, I think this may get quite interesting. As I said, there is a political price to be paid for being litigious in Canada according to Decima. I have no idea if the Tories have enough evidence to say that a political opinion is libel. The Tories have been confident in the past about lawsuits such as the Ottawa one. That exploded in their faces and they had to settle out of court. Quote
Michael Bluth Posted May 17, 2008 Report Posted May 17, 2008 As I said, there is a political price to be paid for being litigious in Canada according to Decima. I have no idea if the Tories have enough evidence to say that a political opinion is libel. An accusation of bribery is far more than a 'political opinion'. Liberal staffers made such allegations. They should be forced to pay for such slanderous behaviour. You are aware of the penalties associated with libel aren't you? Isn't that what forced you to cease your libelous accusations of stalking? Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
jdobbin Posted May 17, 2008 Report Posted May 17, 2008 We still have the statements of Cadman family and just because the RCMP didn't find anything does mean it didn't happen. We already know Harper said that financial incentives were offered. They seem to have no problem trying to say that Stronach was bribed to come to the Liberals but that somehow declared financial incentives to Cadman were something else. Cadman's widow believed they were a bribe. Maybe the Tories should sue her. If I were the Liberals, I would subpoena Cadman's widow to see what she thinks the her husband thought of the financial offer. Quote
Michael Bluth Posted May 17, 2008 Report Posted May 17, 2008 If I were the Liberals, I would subpoena Cadman's widow to see what she thinks the her husband thought of the financial offer. So does this advice come from long-experience in libel law? Still ignoring the slanderous behaviour of the Liberal staffers and your own libelous experience behaviour on this board? Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
Shakeyhands Posted May 17, 2008 Report Posted May 17, 2008 We already know Harper said that financial incentives were offered. They seem to have no problem trying to say that Stronach was bribed to come to the Liberals but that somehow declared financial incentives to Cadman were something else. Cadman's widow believed they were a bribe. Maybe the Tories should sue her.If I were the Liberals, I would subpoena Cadman's widow to see what she thinks the her husband thought of the financial offer. Yup, my guess is they drop it. They'd have a hell of a time with the widow Cadman and the daughter... Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Michael Bluth Posted May 17, 2008 Report Posted May 17, 2008 Yup, my guess is they drop it. They'd have a hell of a time with the widow Cadman and the daughter... Still no comment on the smear tactics of the Liberal staffers? I guess fairness and respect isn't really a two-way street for everybody around here, despite protestations to the opposite. Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
jdobbin Posted May 17, 2008 Report Posted May 17, 2008 Yup, my guess is they drop it. They'd have a hell of a time with the widow Cadman and the daughter... Or the Liberal lawyers asking Harper to clarify in court what he meant when the author asked about the $1 million offer being made to Cadman. It must make some right wingers here crazy that this question keeps coming up. Quote
Michael Bluth Posted May 17, 2008 Report Posted May 17, 2008 Or the Liberal lawyers asking Harper to clarify in court what he meant when the author asked about the $1 million offer being made to Cadman.It must make some right wingers here crazy that this question keeps coming up. It must drive some left wingers here crazy that yet another CPC 'scandal' has been proven to be nothing more than the Liberals grasping at straws. Yet again, the issue is Steph's inability to lead. A true leader would have admitted the huge mistake his staffers made in accusing the Conservatives of bribery and fired them. A true leader would realize what a dangerous mistake the carbon tax flip flop/proposal was and have changed course. Thankfully Steph isn't a true leader. Thankfully for the likelihood of a CPC majority that is!!! Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
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