Albert Einstein says 'Belief in God 'childish,'

[HisSelf]

It's sort of the flipside to Christians who cite Christian scientists such as Francis Collins and Ken Miller as justification for their beliefs. Any argument from authority is a bad one! People should learn and develop a base of knowledge to decide for themselves what they should believe. Your core existential beliefs should not be determined by what Albert Einstein, Stephen Hawking or Ken Miller believe! That is the ultimate in intellectual laziness.

Exactly. Guys like Einstein were searching for the answer in physics. And for my money, this is a damned good place to look. But they still haven't found it. Anybody who cites Einstein on religion or politics is taking their trouble-free car into the garage and asking the mechanic "So how much will it cost to fix that ratttle?"

[eyeball]

Einstein would be classified as a secular Jew since he supported the principles of Zionism and the creation of the State of Israel. He was even offered the presidency, but turned it down because he did not feel he would make a good political leader.

That's unfortunate, with his educated insight into the folly of nuclear war he might have made the kind of political leader the whole world could have benefitted from.

[Oleg Bach]

Exactly. Guys like Einstein were searching for the answer in physics. And for my money, this is a damned good place to look. But they still haven't found it. Anybody who cites Einstein on religion or politics is taking their trouble-free car into the garage and asking the mechanic "So how much will it cost to fix that ratttle?"

So they have the aggressive belief system that is atheism has dug up some dirt on God via Einstein. Odd how this "belief in God is childish" suddenly popped up and has credence because we all know that Albert was much much smarter than God..much like Stevie Hawkins and his brief history of having a usable bodyh. Apparently God does not like Steven Hawkings that much and his overly meddleing curious brain. I really do not think that Albert said such a thing...and also I have never heard an historically accurate quote from Charley Darwin saying.."damn it there is no God - we are germs and the whole thing has no intelligence..and is a huge mistake. "God does not play dice with the universe" - funny...I heard the word God in that line...nawh..this is like all the creeps that insist that Jesus was gay and Judas was the disgruntle pillow biter bottom man.

[Rue]

Sprry Kuzadd I just read your response to mine . I concede I may have taken your comments out of context.

You stated:

"Ya know what Rue, i think your all hot and bothered that Einstein heaped disdain, on religion in general and that he included Judaism in that."

No actually I subscribe to Einstein's approach to religion although I also agree with Dog on the Porch its just an opinion no different then anyone else's.

I actually totally agree with this comment you made;

"....Jews were like everyone else, just people, just human beings, who mess things up , and are as capable of good and bad as everyone else...."

What got my kickers in a knot and still does is you insist that the word "chosen" in Judaism connotates superiority. It does not. It does suggest a personal obligation to God, not superiority. The reason that gets my knickers in a knot is because in the past you have stated Zionism is racism because it is based on the Jewish religious concepts that Jews are chosen, i.e., superior to others.

I would agree if Judaism did teach its people they were superior to others this would be morally problematic.

I also agree any religion teaching that has a moral problem. Its why I criticize Christian and Islam doctrine for promulgating such concepts and also clash with orthodox Jews on the definition of who is a Jew.

Its also why I hate all organized religions equally and why my colon gets twisted when I hear the usual platitudes about jews believing they are superior and that is why they have a state. On the latter point, I need not refresh your memory as to who has argued it.

But I do think you are right and I took most of your words out of context.

[HisSelf]

So they have the aggressive belief system that is atheism has dug up some dirt on God via Einstein. Odd how this "belief in God is childish" suddenly popped up and has credence because we all know that Albert was much much smarter than God..much like Stevie Hawkins and his brief history of having a usable bodyh. Apparently God does not like Steven Hawkings that much and his overly meddleing curious brain. I really do not think that Albert said such a thing...and also I have never heard an historically accurate quote from Charley Darwin saying.."damn it there is no God - we are germs and the whole thing has no intelligence..and is a huge mistake. "God does not play dice with the universe" - funny...I heard the word God in that line...nawh..this is like all the creeps that insist that Jesus was gay and Judas was the disgruntle pillow biter bottom man.

Huh? Was it a bird? Was it a plane? Personally I believe science over faith.

[MontyBurns]

Here is another Einstein quote:

Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.

Albert Einstein, "Science, Philosophy and Religion: a Symposium", 1941

[HisSelf]

Here is another Einstein quote:

Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.

Albert Einstein, "Science, Philosophy and Religion: a Symposium", 1941

My take is that religion is just the fireplace musings people come up with when science runs out of answers. Not because science might not have an answer, but because science hasn't gotten there yet.

So many centuries of god and what have we to show for it? Would god have stood by at Paeschendale with his arms folded? Let Stalin get away with his crimes? Would a heart attack have been so hard to engineer (or maybe better a stroke). Hitler? The Shah? Pol Pot? The Quomintang? The Burmese Junta? Cancer? Multiple Sclerosis? Spam? LOL.

When science proves god, then I will believe in god.

Edited July 11, 2008 by HisSelf

[noahbody]

like all the creeps that insist that Jesus was gay

I think it was his boyfriend who coined the phrase "Jesus Christ that hurts."