Bill C-51

[Pliny]

2008 Oslo Norway vs. 1980 Moscow USSR ... see the principled difference ? The former is free, democratic, non-corrupt, peaceful and prosperous, because it stops at the semi-socialist point and goes no further, the people have 8 parties to choose from and they simply vote center-right if the system goes left of the center-left point. That's what social-DEMOCRACY is.

I would not like to live in Norway now or Moscow in 1980. There is definitely a difference. Moscow had a government entirely concerned with the welfare of the State. Is Norway's government entirely concerned with the welfare of the people? Norway has a system that is like our health-care system. It is a system. And concentration is upon maintaining the system not delivering health-care however, there are so many people dependent upon it no change is possible. It is a dying country just as most of Europe is and just like our health-care system. Since change will not occur under the "system", Moscow 1917 is it's destiny or perhaps Germany 1933. That's where social-democracy leads. It becomes a "system" of entrenched special interests either vying for privilege or for power. That's why there are so many parties. There are actually 7 parlaimentary parties and 10 non-parliamentary parties, like the Pensioners party, the Environment party, the Christian Unity party,You will find they are not entirely political parties but special interest parties, like the party for better social housing.The only life is in the system not in the community it is supposed to serve. Just imagine our health-care system at an all encompassing level and you have Norway, Sweden, Denmark. There is never enough resources. Government workers are exhausted and feel unrewarded, and the people feel poorly served. You call it free, democratic, non-corrupt, peaceful and prosperous. For the individual not employed by the State, it is uneventful, unchallenging and unfulfilling and economically oppressive.

...too bad us North Americans can't operate in the middle or even understand and acknowledge it, it's between the 2 extremes.

The political spectrum is a little difficult to understand and purposely so. Where does Bill C51 sit? Because it is being presented by the Conservatives it is tagged as fascist by the Liberals. If it were being presented by the Liberals it would be perceived as being lib-left nanny state interventionism. It is just more socialism or statism.

On a strictly economic policy based left-right spectrum, laissez-faire capitalism is the farthest right point, in strictly economic terms.

Ok. Since Libertarianism was traditionally on the left and as it was the sole proponent of Laissez-faire shouldn't it be on the left? Libertarianism itself is hard to fit on the political spectrum.

The economic spectrum you describe, with laissez-faire on the extreme right, must have no political connotation since laissez faire is economic anarchy. Does anarchy sit on the extreme right of the political spectrum? As soon as any government economic policy is introduced it is no longer a laissez faire economy. Government intervention would increase as it moved leftward.

That's why politicalcompass.org places foreign & social policies top-bottom on the authoritarian-libertarian scale... it's more of a clear policy aspect distinction.

I have never looked at politicalcompass.org but it sounds like it exists as an explanatory attempt at the conventional political spectrum which I would entirely trash as gobbledy-gook instead of attempting any explanation.

[Pliny]

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Edited May 9, 2008 by Pliny

[margrace]

Maybe in China....not in north america. They are grown in muchroom compost which is mainly straw and dried chicken poop.

No were I come from they are grown in steralized horse manure.

[guyser]

No were I come from they are grown in steralized horse manure.

And I have grown everything from carrots to zucchinis to tomatoes to peas and so on in sterilized manure.

So?

Never got sick and neither did anyone I fed my produce to . My old Leaside neighbourhood had old retired people in it and I used to give them a ton of my veggies since for the most part it was a hobby of mine to grow things.

If anyone were to be sick, it was those people. Nope not once.

We are becoming, in many ways, a bunch of wussies.

[Pliny]

Ever drive by Abbotsford, BC in the spring? WHOOOO....EEEEEE!

[kuzadd]

And I have grown everything from carrots to zucchinis to tomatoes to peas and so on in sterilized manure.

So?

Never got sick and neither did anyone I fed my produce to . My old Leaside neighbourhood had old retired people in it and I used to give them a ton of my veggies since for the most part it was a hobby of mine to grow things.

If anyone were to be sick, it was those people. Nope not once.

We are becoming, in many ways, a bunch of wussies.

Bill C-51 is for the inner wussie , I guess you could say???

[margrace]

There are a lot of rules now, try selling organic milk for instance. My husband's nephew milks 200 cows and sells organic milk. The paperwork is horrendous since everything he feeds those cows is under the microscope. Corn for instance can have none of Monsanto's stuff in it. Only organic manure can be used etc.

I think there is a way of protecting Canadians from foreign foods if only the agencies responsible would check it out. No need to put small producers out of business.

[eyeball]

I think there is a way of protecting Canadians from foreign foods if only the agencies responsible would check it out. No need to put small producers out of business.

We'd need a way to check out the responsible agencies. "Unfortunately" accountability might put a few political parties out of business.

[eyeball]

Speaking of accountability...or not...

Ottawa washes hands of food safety. Companies to do own inspections under new plan.

Yeah right.