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  1. *grin*, over the top and out to lunch? You had best read C-51 thoroughly my friend...
  2. 1) There is a simple solution to these types of problems. Please read my post on page 2ish of this thread. And before you counter with "well those folks wouldn't have died if the product was not available", then by extension we should remove Tylenol from the shelves 'cause those folks didn't get was was on the label either... 2) Doesn't count, not even apples to apples 3) I read it, all 62 wonderfully wasted pages...you can bet it does!
  3. Good post Dr. Pretty much sums my point of view as well....
  4. Ask and you shall receive! Read closly and you'll find that "summary" version is not too far off the mark.Bill C-51
  5. Many humble apologies!! I guess it's time for new glasses!
  6. The most dangerous consumer product Pierre Lemieux - April 14, 2008 WesternStandard.ca The Harper government has introduced two bills as part of their "Food and Consumer Safety Action Plan," which will take decision-making power away from individuals and give it to the state. It's worth stepping back and asking: who exactly is being protected - Canadian consumers or Canadian business? Prime Minister Stephen Harper and his Health Minister Tony Clement have introduced two bills as part of their “Food and Consumer Safety Action Plan.” Referring to some new power the bills grant to the state, Harper declared, “We don’t actually have this now, believe it or not, beyond foods.” Believe it or not, there is some power the state doesn’t yet have! The parliamentary “opposition” was elated: “It’s ... something that we started,” said Stéphane Dion. Bill C-51 would amend the Food and Drugs Act and other laws. Bill C-52 would enact a brand new law “respecting the safety of consumer products.” Jail terms of up to five years are proposed. These bills, each 30 pages thick, are complex and, as usual, not meant to be read by the simple subject. Indeed, virtually nobody reads proposed legislation, including MPs. Everybody relies on the government’s propaganda machine for explanations. Yet, it is an obvious truth, isn’t it, that the state must protect consumers against dangerous products? Not necessarily. The first reason why the state should not protect consumers is that they are generally quite capable of protecting themselves. Not only must they be if they are deemed competent to vote, but many private institutions have incentives to help consumers. Retailers, and especially those who have brand names with high reputation values (say, The Bay or Wall Mart), spend a lot of resources selecting the goods they resell. If you look under your toaster, you will probably see the “UL” mark which certifies that the product has been tested for safety by Underwriters Laboratories, a private organization that evaluates some 20,000 types of products around the world. If a wholesaler or retailer does not undertake such steps as requiring independent certifications, he may have problems with his insurance company and — except if a lower price compensates for the higher risk — with his clientèle. The second reason is that what constitutes a dangerous product is not as obvious as it may seem. Virtually everything is dangerous to a degree. And each individual with his own preferences for risk makes his own choices — unless he is overruled by politicians and bureaucrats. The bills introduced by the Conservative government would facilitate the arbitrary designation of products as dangerous. The preamble of each bill states that “the Parliament of Canada recognizes that a lack of full scientific certainty is not to be used as a reason for postponing measures that prevent adverse effects on human health if those effects could be serious or irreversible.” This idea of bulldozing individual preferences irrespective of scientific evidence has been called the “Lalonde doctrine,” in honour of the Liberal Health Minister who formulated it in 1974. No wonder Dion is happy! Section 4(2) of Bill C-52 states, “This Act applies to tobacco products ... but only in respect of their ignition propensity.” Schedule 2 of the bill prohibits some kites as well as lawn darts “with elongated tips.” What other jokers will come out of these bills? Third, consumer protection policies have perverse consequences that make the Welfare State even more in demand. The more people believe that the state protects them against everything, the more gullible they become and the more they need their Nanny. Fourth, there are hidden interests behind the safety regulations. The bills emphasize imported goods and will, the government explains, “enable law-abiding Canadian businesses to compete on a more level playing field.” Not only is “level playing field” socialist gibberish, but it also points to the commercial interests behind the plan: domestic businesses against lower-cost foreign competitors. As the Hugo Chavez of the North, Harper admonished the "outfits" who "care more about the almighty dollar than the safety of their customers," and "wilfully expose Canadians to dangers." However, Bill C-51 explicitly excludes foods and cosmetics "manufactured in Canada solely for the purpose of being exported." Let the bad Canadian capitalists kill foreigners! Fifth, the increased consumer protection, so-called, makes the state even more powerful and, thus, protection against it even more hopeless. Food and consumer product inspectors will be among the praetorians allowed to obtain search warrants by telephone, and to "enter on or pass through or over private property." Bill C-51 creates a registry for food importers and interprovincial merchants, besides boosting other licences and authorizations. As history shows, politics is the most dangerous consumer product one can think of. We are stuck in a perverse political system where each colour of government brings its own blocks — red or blue — to the building of the Police State. If you think that "Police State" is too strong a term, replace it (for now) by "Benevolent Totalitarian State" or "Administrative State." It is possible that Tony Clement, who has shown some concern for our liberties, does not wilfully participate in this construction. But he is paid to be blind and deaf, a bit like the consumer straw man who will swallow anything. Pierre Lemieux is a professor, an economist, and author of numerous books and articles, and editor of Liberty in Canada, an online pro-liberty news source sponsored by the Canadian Constitution Foundation.
  7. Hello Angus! While I will concede that my original post could have had a question mark after the fascism bit or that using the word itself may be cause for hackle raising due to it's broad definition, on the rest of your points we'll have to agree to disagree. But that's a good thing as disagreement will often breed great discussion. Hava good one, SD
  8. Hello Friend! Only 22 posts until the first flame bait/forum trolling; not bad for a political forum! You need to tackle a wee bit of self education on the term Fascism as your previous definition is only a result, not the concept itself. And, umm, the post was made in order to get comment and discussion going which is why I posted with none initially. I'll bite, nothing like a little flame retardant for a Saturday night. Sadly, it's folks like yourself that perpetuate and fuel the behaviour of our current governing body. Comments like within the context of your entire post indicate that you are a self centered individual who is not concerned all at about anything unless it has a direct impact on you. At that point, you will prolly wail like a child and bang the drums of injustice. You obviously have no concerns for our rights and freedoms as your completely sarcastic post points out. And hey, guess what? I've never taken a natural remedy in my life...hmm, can't even say I've been to a health store. I do however, have friends and family that require these types of medications for their daily well being, and for them, and for my own personal freedom(s), I'm willing to fight legislation such as this; are you?I appreciate your comments, but will not waste any more of my time with you. Have a great evening! Be well my sad little friend, SD
  9. Hey BuffyCat! I'm kewl with whatever works forum wise. My only concern is bringing up awareness with this evil bill.
  10. And of course, where are the opposition parties?
  11. If our government were truly interested in crafting some effective regulation that is in the best interest of the folks to whom they are supposed to be beholden and whom pay their salaries, it would be something like this: 1) The contents of the container are exactly as laid out on the label. 2) The contents of the container are of pre-defined acceptable quality. 3) Any claims made by the manufacturer must be backed up by independent study. 4) There are penalties in place for not adhering to 1 & 2 & 3. The responsibility for proper consumption should be placed back on the consumer. There is too much "passing of the buck" when it comes to personal responsibility. Google would provide a great starting point for folks looking to get information on herbal remedies. There, plain and simple. This bill is so insane, there can only be two motivations IMHO: 1) Canada is now truly run by the corporate complex 2) They want to use this as an election trigger SIDE NOTE: Tony Clement is a 1/4 quarter equity holder in a major pharma company (whose name is escaping me at the moment sadly)...can you say conflict of interest?!?
  12. If our government were truly interested in crafting some effective regulation that is in the best interest of the folks to whom they are supposed to be beholden and whom pay their salaries, it would be something like this: 1) The contents of the container are exactly as laid out on the label. 2) The contents of the container are of pre-defined acceptable quality. 3) Any claims made by the manufacturer must be backed up by independent study. 4) There are penalties in place for not adhering to 1 & 2 & 3. The responsibility for proper consumption should be placed back on the consumer. There is too much "passing of the buck" when it comes to personal responsibility. Google would provide a great starting point for folks looking to get information on herbal remedies. There, plain and simple. This bill is so insane, there can only be two motivations IMHO: 1) Canada is now truly run by the corporate complex 2) They want to use this as an election trigger SIDE NOTE: Tony Clement is a 1/4 quarter equity holder in a major pharma company (whose name is escaping me at the moment sadly)...can you say conflict of interest?!?
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