take back our oil

[planetx]

want cheap gas? all candians have to do is... take it back! its our, isn't it?

lets follow the lead of venezuela where gas is $.12 a gallon! and venezuela recently told big oil to get lost!

its quite simple, tell big oil in the west and the irvings in the east that they've had their fun, they can all retire billionairs to their off shore paradises! but get lost!

its amazing how few canadians know that once the price of a barrel of oil passed $18 then canada is the second richest oil country on the planet! rice is cheap in china, but on the east coast the irvings import oil because they have no interests in the oil sands! what the heck?!

we are being gouged like there is not tomorrow! for decades big oil has been buying everything downstream from them… they drill for oil, refine it and sell it at the pumps. they have thousands of accountants working on how to increase profits! all the talk you hear in the media about lack of refineries, capacity etc… its all garbage! its all a big fog to hide how prices at the pumps rise so quickly. like that has nothing to do with oil company profits rising so quickly!

most canadians have no idea of the following:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_reserves

while saudi arabia is the second biggest producer of oil, oil revenue there means that there is no personal income tax! secondary education and books are free! free health care that is second to none!

as canadians we should be asking... are we enjoying such fruits? when will we be?

don’t be so stupid to believe it!

[eyeball]

Yep. Count me in.

[planetx]

so what can we do about it when 'party' politics has its wallets lined with big oil money?!

[Who's Doing What?]

Vote Communist I would guess.

[eyeball]

The only thing I imagine that would make a dent is total transparency and an end to the secrecy of back-room wheeling and dealing.

We need politicians that are willing to sport wearable cameras and stream their meetings with lobbyists and senior civil servants over the Internet. I don't think it would be long until a majority of voters start choosing those politicians that physically demonstrate transparency over those that just talk about it.

[eyeball]

Vote Communist I would guess.

Why on Earth would you want to do that?

[M.Dancer]

want cheap gas? all candians have to do is... take it back! its our, isn't it?

lets follow the lead of venezuela where gas is $.12 a gallon! and venezuela recently told big oil to get lost!

Venuezuela? Couldn't you pick a country that isn't filled with starving diseased unemployed masses? A loy of good the state owned oil industry does them....

[eyeball]

No kidding, I'm quite certain a well fed healthy employed population like Canada's could benefit far better from a state owned oil industry. The way things are now however it probably won't be long before we catch up to the Venuzuelans. I wonder who'll win the race or stand to lose the most?

[Wilber]

No kidding, I'm quite certain a well fed healthy employed population like Canada's could benefit far better from a state owned oil industry. The way things are now however it probably won't be long before we catch up to the Venuzuelans. I wonder who'll win the race or stand to lose the most?

A. It won't be Venezuela. The less energy costs, the less incentive there is to become more efficient and you get left behind by those who do. They are already a long way behind. Saudi has oil and money, little else. When they run out of oil, they will have only money, for awhile.

B. There is no way you could get oil out of the tar sands and sell gas for 12 cents a liter even if God was running the place.

C. You will have to build a pipeline to eastern Canada to get at the stuff. The west won't have anything to do with that unless you want to give market value for the product.

C. Resources belong to the provinces and what you are advocating is raping the resources of a few provinces to advantage others. You want them to sell their non renewable resources to you at below market value. Trudeau tried it with the NEP. We got cheaper gas than the US for a short time until we were forced to world pricing because no one wanted to do business here anymore. In the mean time it went a long way to put Alberta's economy on its ass and Liberals have been basically unelectable there ever since.

[Who's Doing What?]

Why on Earth would you want to do that?

So he can have his cheap gas like Venuzuela, with it's govt. run oil industry.

[Sean Hayward]

So basically, what you're proposing is a more radical version of the National Energy Program? Why don't you ask how some of the Albertans on here how they feel about the NEP?

[eyeball]

So basically, what you're proposing is a more radical version of the National Energy Program? Why don't you ask how some of the Albertans on here how they feel about the NEP?

We could bypass the provinces by just nationalizing the purchasing and selling of fuel. Fuel is as crucial to our economic well being as drugs are to our health. Drug costs in Canada are kept low because the government negotiates a better price from the manufacturers and passes that discount on to us, I fail to see why that shouldn't work for any other consumable. Other things like carbon taxes and increasing corporate profits could also go a long way to providing relief at the pumps and funding things like more mass transit.

[DangerMouse]

I still laugh when I see people use WIKIS as a reference. Doesn't the Bul-phoney era have anything to do with all this mess that is going on? Wait til they start fighting over water....

[planetx]

A. It won't be Venezuela. The less energy costs, the less incentive there is to become more efficient and you get left behind by those who do. They are already a long way behind. Saudi has oil and money, little else. When they run out of oil, they will have only money, for awhile.

B. There is no way you could get oil out of the tar sands and sell gas for 12 cents a liter even if God was running the place.

C. You will have to build a pipeline to eastern Canada to get at the stuff. The west won't have anything to do with that unless you want to give market value for the product.

C. Resources belong to the provinces and what you are advocating is raping the resources of a few provinces to advantage others. You want them to sell their non renewable resources to you at below market value. Trudeau tried it with the NEP. We got cheaper gas than the US for a short time until we were forced to world pricing because no one wanted to do business here anymore. In the mean time it went a long way to put Alberta's economy on its ass and Liberals have been basically unelectable there ever since.

A. charvez has poverty rates dropped to 37% from 49% since taking office. the saudi's will have _only_ money? yeah, trillions and trillions for the next hundred frickin years as the price per barrel goes through the roof!

B. maybe not 12 cents, but the tar sands are in the blank from $18 a barrel

C. thats what nationalizing a resource as important as oil means. giving everyone the same price in canada... its hardly any money at all as we'd still be making big money on export profits. albertans won't be giving up the high paying work. actually, albertans don't have to give up anything at all!

Edited April 20, 2008 by planetx

[planetx]

I still laugh when I see people use WIKIS as a reference. Doesn't the Bul-phoney era have anything to do with all this mess that is going on? Wait til they start fighting over water....

its just a convenience... provide a reference that disputes it! you won't find one!

[Wilber]

A. charvez has poverty rates dropped to 37% from 49% since taking office. the saudi's will have _only_ money? yeah, trillions and trillions for the next hundred frickin years as the price per barrel goes through the roof!

B. maybe not 12 cents, but the tar sands are in the blank from $18 a barrel

C. thats what nationalizing a resource as important as oil means. giving everyone the same price in canada... its hardly any money at all as we'd still be making big money on export profits. albertans won't be giving up the high paying work. actually, albertans don't have to give up anything at all!

High paying work has little to do with it, its also about using that money to invest in the future, after oil. You just want the stuff cheap and could care less about that.

Whether it is nationalized or not you would still be expecting oil producing provinces to sell their resources to other Canadians at less than market value. Ontario or Quebec would never agree to that. Its not just the west, you will now also be pissing off Newfoundland and Nova Scotia big time.

You realize of course that you would have to reimburse all the companies who have done the exploration, built the infrastructure and take over that role somehow yourself. You would also have to deal with the fact that no one would want to invest in Canada for fear of a government takeover.

Cuba North so to speak.

[bush_cheney2004]

...You realize of course that you would have to reimburse all the companies who have done the exploration, built the infrastructure and take over that role somehow yourself. You would also have to deal with the fact that no one would want to invest in Canada for fear of a government takeover.

Cuba North so to speak.

Thank you for pointing this out. We all know what happened to Cuba!

[Zachary Young]

Two solutions to the price of gas going so high :

#1 - stop taxing it so much. Duh!

#2 - A big part of the increase in the price of oil is the increase in the money supply. If we had a 100% gold backed currency, oil wouldn't have gone up in price at all in the last ten years, as oil has stayed flat when expressed as oil : gold.

[planetx]

High paying work has little to do with it, its also about using that money to invest in the future, after oil. You just want the stuff cheap and could care less about that.

Whether it is nationalized or not you would still be expecting oil producing provinces to sell their resources to other Canadians at less than market value. Ontario or Quebec would never agree to that. Its not just the west, you will now also be pissing off Newfoundland and Nova Scotia big time.

You realize of course that you would have to reimburse all the companies who have done the exploration, built the infrastructure and take over that role somehow yourself. You would also have to deal with the fact that no one would want to invest in Canada for fear of a government takeover.

Cuba North so to speak.

issues that would have to be addressed. all do-able.... ALL. if this came to nation wide referendum then it would win hands down! the fact is, with most political parties supporting status quo then there is no ‘political will’. with the system of handicapped democracy that we live in then the ‘will’ will have to come from grass roots.

don’t even mention cuba. that’s better left for another thread. lets talk about Venezuela. a democracy that have decided to take their black gold back! lets talk about saudi arabia, a totalitarian regime that the u.s. has no problems dealing with.

Edited April 21, 2008 by planetx

[eyeball]

Saudi Arabia is a democracy?

[Wilber]

issues that would have to be addressed. all do-able.... ALL. if this came to nation wide referendum then it would win hands down! the fact is, with most political parties supporting status quo then there is no ‘political will’. with the system of handicapped democracy that we live in then the ‘will’ will have to come from grass roots.

Sure, populous Central Canada will out vote the rest and take what they want from others, paying them whatever they see fit. That is why provinces have jurisdiction over their own resources.

[guyser]

lets talk about Venezuela. a democracy that have decided to take their black gold back!

OK lets.

I dont want to.... have to fill my bathtub with water because the pumps shut off and no water runs. Yes , in a middle class neighbourhood (or one that passes as middle class)

...running hot water...hahahaha hohoho....oh sorry, you can if you boil some.

...be worried about getting shot in broad daylight.

...have the pollution that comes w regular gas and no standards.

...not be able to put money in the bank since it disappears or is devalued overnight.

...having to use US dollars since no one takes Venezualan dollars.

...not being able to leave the country since they restrict it through their dollars. (you cant take virtually any out)

...cant talk about how bad Chavez is whilst out on the street since you could wind up in jail.

Wonderful democracy isnt it?

[planetx]

Sure, populous Central Canada will out vote the rest and take what they want from others, paying them whatever they see fit. That is why provinces have jurisdiction over their own resources.

sorry? we're only talking about taking oil profits from oil companies (all of which are not canadian) and giving them to canadians. alberta can keep whatever revenues it currently maitains, heck even increase the percentages for albertans! imagine albertans increasing their provincial revenues while federal money and services also increase!

Edited April 21, 2008 by planetx

[Wilber]

sorry? we're only talking about talking oil profits from oil companies (all of which are not canadian) and giving them to canadians. alberta can keep whatever revenues it currently maitains, heck even increase the percentages for albertans!

You can't take what you don't own. If you want to get into the oil business, you will have to do it the same way the oil companies do. Invest and buy out existing companies on the open market. Anything else is theft. Even Trudeau's NEP wasn't dumb enough to just try and expropriate an industry.

[planetx]

You can't take what you don't own. If you want to get into the oil business, you will have to do it the same way the oil companies do. Invest and buy out existing companies on the open market. Anything else is theft. Even Trudeau's NEP wasn't dumb enough to just try and expropriate an industry.

complete and utter submission to plutocracy! completely spineless! disgusting...

the oil comapnies love guys like you. they don't own the oil! even the oil companies know that!