Non-muslims barred from swimming lessons in British leisure center

[jbg]

The Muslim kids were given a prayer room - and they would use the school wash room to perform their washing ritual. My son stumbled into the washroom and was confronted by some good old fashioned hate of so-called infidels - HIM ! One Muslim kid told my son that his feet were cleaner than his face or the top of his head..insinuating that my son was some unclean secular filth ridden barbarian - that he was an inferiour. This is the moment that made me think that SOME Muslims actually hate us and hold us in comtempt- If the Muslim kid looked upon my blue eyed blonde boy as a dirt bag - well I wonder what the Muslim parents are teaching their kids in the home regarding us infidels. There was a time when Jews were excluded from beachings and swimming pools because they were considered unclean by so-called Christian based peoples. I suppose that the segragationalist Muslims look upon us like the bigots of the past looked upon the Jews...

Looking forward into the not so distant future - IF the Muslims dominate North America religiously and politically - is it a matter of time before some nut extremist Muslim make the drastic decision to Holocaust all Christians -

At last someone gets it. See link to thread, excerpt below:

This timely New York Sun article (link) on the University of Michigan's squandering of public moneys (nominally raised from tuitions) to meet the special pleading needs of a small segment of its student body shows the extent to which we are pandering to a homophobic, militaristic, violent group of people.

First, one must doubt whether footbaths are used in the arid lands from which Islam sprang. How often did Muhamed get a footbath? I want to know. Equally to the point, why is one religious group being accomodated to the exclusion of others. Do Jews have arks, complete with Torahs, installed in university buildings. What about a rosary for Catholics?

[Argus]

What a mountain out of a molehill.

go ahead - keep demonizing, keep dividing - it works so well for all ills.

ridiculous.

So easy and convenient to judge folk based on whatever religious, ethnic, or racial affiliation they my share through the arbritrary happenstance of BIRTH.

No one is demonizing based on what they are. Muslims are being demonized based on their behaviour. That is quite a different thing.

And I have heard similar stories. A guy I knew came east from Alberta, innocently put is blonde, blue eyed fourteen year old daughter into a local public high school. Well! That lasted one day. Most of the student body is Muslim and she was both physically and sexually harrassed and assaulted (slapped, pushed by girls, groped by boys) multiple times to the point he had to go down there and get her, withdrew her from the school, and enrolled her in a Catholic school in the suburbs.

PS, he is a lifelong liberal who no longer likes Muslims. I guess that makes him sick.

[guyser]

At last someone gets it. See link to thread, excerpt below:

Sadly your bs radar is failing you. It is either that or your agenda is getting the better of you. He (Oleg) doesnt get it and frankly I dont know if he ever has. I will put it this way, I dont believe him. And I dont believe Argus and his "my friend came east and his daughter was molested on her first day by muslims" either. Why? Oleg writes to amuse himself. Delusional . Argus' friend didnt have the cops at the school , his daughter pointing out who commited the crime, showing he bruises to back her up? Why not? The cops would be there before I was if it was my daughter.

And to top it off you bolster your argument with the Univ of Michigan story? jbg , you aint daft.

We should be celebrating the Muslims in this case because they identified a need they have.....and started their own fundraising to pay for it. But we can leave that gem out of the argument since facts are not warranted here, and would only trash your argument

Failing that, we could heap scorn on the U of M for using the tuition money to pay for it. But it most certainly was not the Muslims of UofM that are worthy of scorn.

[DogOnPorch]

Multiculturalism is the conditioning that makes what you should think more important than what you actually do think.

It should be noted, though, that not everyone in a multicultural society has been so conditioned. It's the old irony about tolerating intolerance.

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Muslim community leaders warn of an upswing in Islamophobia resulting from tommorow's terrorist attack.

---old journalism joke

[Argus]

Sadly your bs radar is failing you. It is either that or your agenda is getting the better of you. He (Oleg) doesnt get it and frankly I dont know if he ever has. I will put it this way, I dont believe him. And I dont believe Argus and his "my friend came east and his daughter was molested on her first day by muslims" either. Why? Oleg writes to amuse himself. Delusional . Argus' friend didnt have the cops at the school , his daughter pointing out who commited the crime, showing he bruises to back her up? Why not? The cops would be there before I was if it was my daughter.

The cops are there constantly. About forty percent of the school population are Lebanese, another 40% are Somalian. They hate each others' guts and there are fights every day, incl knife fights. As to why he didn't call the cops - actually the school almost called the cops on him he was was enraged. But his daughter was crying and just wanted to get out, and she didn't know any of the people who had slapped, pushed, groped her in the crowded halls and wasn't likely to find/recognize them anyway. Like many people, she didn't want to go through the huge hassle of telling her story over and over again to cops, then filing out reports, looking through picturebooks, trying to point out the faces - all for what? How much effort do you think the cops are going to make to find the individual juveniles who slapped, pinched, pushed or groped her, called her obscene names and made obscene suggestions? What punishment do you get for calling a girl a "blonde whore?", or shoving her into a wall "by accident" or groping her as you pass in the hall?

But I'm sure, to you, all that matters is it isn't a boring school full of boring old white Canadians.

Edited April 25, 2008 by Argus

[DogOnPorch]

The cops are there constantly. About forty percent of the school population are Lebanese, another 40% are Somalian. They hate each others' guts and there are fights every day, incl knife fights. As to why he didn't call the cops - actually the school almost called the cops on him he was was enraged. But his daughter was crying and just wanted to get out, and she didn't know any of the people who had slapped, pushed, groped her in the crowded halls and wasn't likely to find/recognize them anyway. Like many people, she didn't want to go through the huge hassle of telling her story over and over again to cops, then filing out reports, looking through picturebooks, trying to point out the faces - all for what? How much effort do you think the cops are going to make to find the individual juveniles who slapped, pinched, pushed or groped her, called her obscene names and made obscene suggestions? What punishment do you get for calling a girl a "blonde whore?", or shoving her into a wall "by accident" or groping her as you pass in the hall?

But I'm sure, to you, all that matters is it isn't a boring school full of boring old white Canadians.

My wife faced similar problems growing up in Canada's north. She and her sister were usually the only 'white kids' in all native communities (government brat). Combined with frequent moves it made for a rough time.

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Me and my arrow

Straighter than narrow

Wherever we go, every one knows

It's me and my arrow

---Harry Nilsson

[guyser]

Well at least we now have a little context.

all for what?

Criminal charges for one.

How much effort do you think the cops are going to make to find the individual juveniles who slapped, pinched, pushed or groped her, called her obscene names and made obscene suggestions? What punishment do you get for calling a girl a "blonde whore?", or shoving her into a wall "by accident" or groping her as you pass in the hall?

Not much effort since she could point them out and they would be arrested.

But I'm sure, to you, all that matters is it isn't a boring school full of boring old white Canadians.

No not at all. No colour has a lock on criminal behaviour. Is this school in Toronto ?

[WarBicycle]

The school is probably Winston Churchill Collegiate near Kennedy Road and Lawrence Avenue in Scarborough.

Edited April 26, 2008 by WarBicycle

[Guest American Woman]

And to top it off you bolster your argument with the Univ of Michigan story? jbg , you aint daft.

We should be celebrating the Muslims in this case because they identified a need they have.....and started their own fundraising to pay for it. But we can leave that gem out of the argument since facts are not warranted here, and would only trash your argument

Failing that, we could heap scorn on the U of M for using the tuition money to pay for it. But it most certainly was not the Muslims of UofM that are worthy of scorn.

Not to mention the "footbaths at UofM" has already been talked to death in a thread about it, so not only does jbg's link point out that it's not "public money" as he claims, but it's been pointed out time and again on this board. It's actually not tuition money either, it's student infrastructure fees, and to my knowledge, it's not the students objecting. UofM and Ann Arbor are liberal and the university strives to be culturally diverse, so I don't see this as a problem within the university, only with those trying to make something out of it that it's not.

[Guest American Woman]

....his daughter was crying and just wanted to get out, and she didn't know any of the people who had slapped, pushed, groped her in the crowded halls and wasn't likely to find/recognize them anyway....

So how did she know they were Muslims?

[WarBicycle]

The rags on their heads.

Edited April 26, 2008 by WarBicycle

[jbg]

The rags on their heads.

Are thoseo rags often soaked with gasoline? Or are these rags religious in nature?

[WarBicycle]

Most of the Lebanese living in Canada are Maronite Christians, the Somalis are Muslim, perhaps that's why they hate each other.

[Guest American Woman]

The rags on their heads.

How would you know they were wearing turbans? Were you there when the daughter of a guy another poster knew allegedly got pushed, shoved, and molested by Muslims multiple times?

Edited April 26, 2008 by American Woman

[WarBicycle]

I wrote that specifically for you, my only regret is I must use my mind's eye see you ranting and foaming at the mouth. I see you also comb your hair with a hammer. The only people I have seen wearing turbans in Canada are Sikhs, I don't think I've ever seen a Muslim male wear any sort of headdress.

Edited April 26, 2008 by WarBicycle

[Argus]

The school is probably Winston Churchill Collegiate near Kennedy Road and Lawrence Avenue in Scarborough.

It's Ridgemont High school in Ottawa. It's uncomfortably located in a very comfortable middle class neighborhood called Alta Vista (lots of 300-500k homes). However, the district from which it draws its students includes one of Ottawa's worst housing projects (tons of Somalians), and a Minto neighborhood of high density housing which is mostly populated by Lebanese and Somalians. Some years back the school board had a big crisis meeting to try and ban white kids from being transferred out of district when they noticed "white flight" was emptying the school of all the white kids. They put special rules in place which mostly don't work. Middle class white parents don't send their kids to that school no matter what rules they have to bend or how much it costs. I used to live in that neighborhood, and when you drove by sometimes there'd be fifteen cop cars lined up nose to tail out front because of the latest large-scale fight between the Somalians and the Lebanese. It still happens, and often now involves fights between Ridgemont HS students and the students from a nearby Catholic HS.

Tribalism is alive and well in Canada. Thank you, Liberal party.

[jbg]

It's Ridgemont High school in Ottawa.

Fast Times at Ridgemont High? (link)

[Leafless]

Fast Times at Ridgemont High? (link)

LOL!

No, that's not our little Ridgemont High in Ottawa, Ont. Canada.

[jbg]

LOL!

No, that's not our little Ridgemont High in Ottawa, Ont. Canada.

I know. I was having a little fun.

[Guest American Woman]

...she didn't know any of the people who had slapped, pushed, groped her in the crowded halls and wasn't likely to find/recognize them anyway.

Repeating my question: If she didn't know them, how did she know they were Muslims?

[Argus]

Repeating my question: If she didn't know them, how did she know they were Muslims?

Well, all Somalians are Muslims. As for the Lebanese, I suppose if one wanted to be legalistic one could substitute "Arabs".

[Guest American Woman]

Well, all Somalians are Muslims. As for the Lebanese, I suppose if one wanted to be legalistic one could substitute "Arabs".

Arabs would likely be the more correct identification, yet you said: he is a lifelong liberal who no longer likes Muslims. I guess that makes him sick. While I wouldn't describe his as sick, I don't think it's even remotely justifiable to "no longer like Muslims" because of one bad incident involving Arabs.

You also said: No one is demonizing based on what they are. Muslims are being demonized based on their behaviour. That is quite a different thing. Yet you admit that you don't know for sure if they were even Muslims, and again, this is one incident. I'm sure equally bad things have happened in other schools with predominately black or predominately white (etc) schools. So I'm curious. If a black father put his child in a predominately white school and she was treated badly, do you think it would be logical/justifiable for the father to no longer like whites?-- Because we all know how minorities have been treated by some whites, so using your story as an example, no minorities should like whites. We should all dislike one another based on nothing more than a single incident.

No culture/nationality/race can be singled out for this kind of behavior and no culture/nationality/race is innocent of this kind of behavior.

[M.Dancer]

Well, all Somalians are Muslims. As for the Lebanese, I suppose if one wanted to be legalistic one could substitute "Arabs".

Except most lebanese in Canada are Maronite Christians and they consider themselves Phonecian.

[JB Globe]

Want to fly into Dubai with a Torah scroll?

That would imply I'm starting a synagogue, so I'm assuming there'd be an issue with that. However, book-copies of Torah are legal, so that wouldn't be an issue.

[JB Globe]

One Muslim kid told my son that his feet were cleaner than his face or the top of his head..insinuating that my son was some unclean secular filth ridden barbarian - that he was an inferiour. This is the moment that made me think that SOME Muslims actually hate us and hold us in comtempt- If the Muslim kid looked upon my blue eyed blonde boy as a dirt bag - well I wonder what the Muslim parents are teaching their kids in the home regarding us infidels. There was a time when Jews were excluded from beachings and swimming pools because they were considered unclean by so-called Christian based peoples. I suppose that the segragationalist Muslims look upon us like the bigots of the past looked upon the Jews...

So, let me get this straight.

ONE Muslim boy's comments caused you to realize that SOME Muslims are bigots (and I would argue it's in no greater number than found in other communities, such as the Anglo-Canadian community).

Then you make this leap . . .

Looking forward into the not so distant future - IF the Muslims dominate North America religiously and politically - is it a matter of time before some nut extremist Muslim make the drastic decision to Holocaust all Christians

If only SOME Muslims are bigoted, as you claimed earlier, than how would this happen?

this nation was built on the doctrines of Christ

Which edition? Protestant or Catholic? I'm sure First Nations folks have an opinion on this as well . . .

Different ball game here than in the US, be careful . . .

NOT Mohamid---if Mohamid was so great then our Muslim immigrants would have stayed in their nations of origin

Now you're just being stupid. If I have to explain push/pull forces for emigration/immigration than that's pretty sad.

Christiantity created stablity and build the British - Canadian and American empires - that we so enjoy today. What does a Muslim state like Saudi Arabia have to offer? Not much other than torment and oppression

You're comparing the best of "Christianity" to the worst of "Islam" - way to go.

How about you compare a Christian Bolivia to Muslim Dubai. Wow, that comparison must mean that Muslims are "better" than Christians. Case closed, end of story, my argument is airtight, right?