UShaditComing Posted March 8, 2008 Report Posted March 8, 2008 I haven't followed McCain closely so I didn't know that his wife was a drug addict and even stole her drugs. Isn't that nice! And then there's the lady that John has probably been doing on the side which is being kept in wraps for a more opportune time to spring it all. And how many other stories are there sitting in the Dems weapons stash which they are saving for when the going gets tough. No wonder McCain says he doesn't want to get down and dirty! This is so exciting when they start to throw the dirt at each other in earnest. I'll make this thread for McCain so everyone can post the good stuff as it comes to light. Quote When the US stops killing them over there they will stop killing Americans over here.
Brain Candy Posted March 9, 2008 Report Posted March 9, 2008 (edited) When looking at politics critically, its best to understand that... 1)All leaders and the people surrounding them are human and have made mistakes in the past. 2) During elections, people are payed to dig up every trivial personal problem or error from long ago which distracts from the actual issues or even a candidates overall character, pushing the process towards a battle of egos and smart advertising. I have nothing against the character of John McCain, I have everything against his political stance. Edited March 9, 2008 by Brain Candy Quote Freedom- http://www.nihil.org/
Carinthia Posted March 9, 2008 Report Posted March 9, 2008 (edited) 2) During elections, people are payed to dig up every trivial personal problem or error from long ago which distracts from the actual issues or even a candidates overall character, pushing the process towards a battle of egos and smart advertising. I have nothing against the character of John McCain, I have everything against his political stance. The fact that McCain's wife was addicted to prescription drugs and overcame her addiction, is meaningless to me. However, I do think that there are certain things in the past lives of candidates that should be revealed. When politicians campaign, they put forward their best front. If the relevant negative issues are not revealed, how can we judge their true character? Their conduct throughout their lives, does and should have an impact on us. It's up to us to decide what is relevant to our own individual standards of conduct. It was revealed during Bill Clinton's first campaign, that he had a history of cheating on his wife. This did have an impact on my opinion of him. It signified to me as an individual, that he had a capacity for deceit in his character. I could not differentiate his cheating on his wife from possibly cheating on the people he served. Deceit is deceit to me, no matter who their victim is. Edited March 9, 2008 by Carinthia Quote
Brain Candy Posted March 9, 2008 Report Posted March 9, 2008 (edited) I agree Bill Clinton's escapades were a bit more then trivial, but I think we need to distinguish between things that could actually be judgements of character and partisan banter. Edited March 9, 2008 by Brain Candy Quote Freedom- http://www.nihil.org/
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 9, 2008 Report Posted March 9, 2008 The fact that McCain's wife was addicted to prescription drugs and overcame her addiction is meaningless to me. It's meaningless to everything else too. ....If the relevant negative issues are not revealed, how can we judge their true character? Their conduct throughout their lives, does and should have an impact on us. It's up to us to decide what is relevant to our own individual standards of conduct. To what purpose...this personal judgement? Why is this important? Since there are as many judgements as people, why is it even relevant beyond garnering votes, which is not even possible for non-citizens. It was revealed during Bill Clinton's first campaign, that he had a history of cheating on his wife. This did have an impact on my opinion of him. It signified to me as an individual, that he had a capacity for deceit in his character. I could not differentiate his cheating on his wife from possibly cheating on the people he served. Deceit is deceit, no matter who their victim is. Yet he was elected twice, and remains quite popular. So what does this say about the value and relevance of personal character judgements? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Shady Posted March 9, 2008 Report Posted March 9, 2008 The fact that McCain's wife was addicted to prescription drugs and overcame her addiction is meaningless to me. However, I do think that there are certain things in the past lives of candidates that should be revealed. When politicians campaign, they put forward their best front. If the relevant negative issues are not revealed, how can we judge their true character? Their conduct throughout their lives, does and should have an impact on us. It's up to us to decide what is relevant to our own individual standards of conduct. It was revealed during Bill Clinton's first campaign, that he had a history of cheating on his wife. This did have an impact on my opinion of him. It signified to me as an individual, that he had a capacity for deceit in his character. I could not differentiate his cheating on his wife from possibly cheating on the people he served. Deceit is deceit to me, no matter who their victim is. Very well stated. I can respect someone who worries that McCain may get America involved in another war. I can respect any legitimate concerns people with differing political views (or even similar ones) may have with John McCain as President. However, this thread was started as an obvious attempt to troll and insult. Bringing up a candidates spouse's medical troubles, or unfounded inappropriate relationships doesn't merit any real discussion. That also should apply to Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. Quote
UShaditComing Posted March 9, 2008 Author Report Posted March 9, 2008 Neither Bill Clinton's behaviour or McCain's wife being a drug addict who stole her drugs means anything to me but then I'm Canadian. Americans will take any little issue to town if they can. Their political system is corrupted. But I still like to play with Americans and embarrass them when possible. Quote When the US stops killing them over there they will stop killing Americans over here.
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 10, 2008 Report Posted March 10, 2008 ...But I still like to play with Americans and embarrass them when possible. Well gee, that's working out very well. The Americans are so embarrassed they keep doing exactly as they always have. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
UShaditComing Posted March 10, 2008 Author Report Posted March 10, 2008 Well gee, that's working out very well. The Americans are so embarrassed they keep doing exactly as they always have. They and you would never admit it if they were but I know bringing up PNAC turned their cranks for them. You I just regard as one of them anyway. Quote When the US stops killing them over there they will stop killing Americans over here.
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 10, 2008 Report Posted March 10, 2008 They and you would never admit it if they were but I know bringing up PNAC turned their cranks for them. You I just regard as one of them anyway. You are many days late and many dollars short. MLW members were discussing the PNAC over five years ago. They know more about the PNAC than you do. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Carinthia Posted March 10, 2008 Report Posted March 10, 2008 To what purpose...this personal judgement? Why is this important? Since there are as many judgements as people, why is it even relevant beyond garnering votes, which is not even possible for non-citizens. Yet he was elected twice, and remains quite popular. So what does this say about the value and relevance of personal character judgements? Garnering votes not possible for non-citizens? Duh, no really? And here all this time I've been commenting on the American election and now I find out I can't even vote! Gee, I guess I'll stop commenting now. Clinton being elected after the first campaign was because he and his wife did a superb job of casting doubt on the allegations. The fact that Hillary backed him to the hilt, even though I'm sure she was well aware of his indescretions, told me that she would sell her soul to the devil for power. It did come back to bite them in the ass though didn't it? Quote
UShaditComing Posted March 10, 2008 Author Report Posted March 10, 2008 You are many days late and many dollars short. MLW members were discussing the PNAC over five years ago. They know more about the PNAC than you do. Great! Now where are all those smart members hiding? I've only seen a couple of people who are more than just sem-literate and you're not one of them. Jbg is probably worth his salt though. Am woman is nothing but a whiner. Shady's a pushover. Bring em on big guy! I bet the people you are thinking of are of your political bent. Quote When the US stops killing them over there they will stop killing Americans over here.
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 10, 2008 Report Posted March 10, 2008 ....Clinton being elected after the first campaign was because he and his wife did a superb job of casting doubt on the allegations. The fact that Hillary backed him to the hilt, even though I'm sure she was well aware of his indescretions, told me that she would sell her soul to the devil for power. It did come back to bite them in the ass though didn't it? Yes it did, but that isn't the point. Why/how are personal judgements relevant? Americans are picking party nominees first, then a president. The choices will be limited, including making no choice at all. In the end, these candidates are just human beings like you or me, complete with character flaws. Many spouses/partners are aware of such indiscretions, including some American presidents. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 10, 2008 Report Posted March 10, 2008 Great! Now where are all those smart members hiding? I've only seen a couple of people who are more than just sem-literate and you're not one of them. Jbg is probably worth his salt though. Am woman is nothing but a whiner. Shady's a pushover. Bring em on big guy! I bet the people you are thinking of are of your political bent. Hint: Search the International Politics forums for "PNAC". Sorry, but we couldn't wait more years for you to catch up. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Carinthia Posted March 10, 2008 Report Posted March 10, 2008 Why/how are personal judgements relevant? Go back and read post #3. I'm not going to go around in circles. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 10, 2008 Report Posted March 10, 2008 (edited) Go back and read post #3. I'm not going to go around in circles. You don't have to....there will only be one nominated ticket for each political party. Your personal character approvals are nice, but in the end somebody must be chosen. Edited March 10, 2008 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
UShaditComing Posted March 10, 2008 Author Report Posted March 10, 2008 You know, I really do suspect that something will prevent McCain from being the Repub candidate and they will fall back on Romney. McCain has too many negatives and is too old. If it wasn't legit medical or health problems then they could make it look like it was. Say you heard it from me first. Can anybody relate to that? Quote When the US stops killing them over there they will stop killing Americans over here.
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 10, 2008 Report Posted March 10, 2008 You know, I really do suspect that something will prevent McCain from being the Repub candidate and they will fall back on Romney. McCain has too many negatives and is too old. If it wasn't legit medical or health problems then they could make it look like it was. Say you heard it from me first. Can anybody relate to that? No....Senator McCain has survived far worse than your silly predictions. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
UShaditComing Posted March 10, 2008 Author Report Posted March 10, 2008 No....Senator McCain has survived far worse than your silly predictions. Fine, and we will see. But we know that the right doesn't like him and are having to hold their noses to even support him. They also most likely fear that he will have to team up with a moderate for a running mate because his support is more middle of the road and tending to be leftish. It's his best hope and the reason why he is the candidate in the first place. The US has moved away from the right and especially Bush. So much so that your name should be an embarrassment for you! And don't bother arguing that with me, just go ask some American conservatives. Quote When the US stops killing them over there they will stop killing Americans over here.
White Doors Posted March 10, 2008 Report Posted March 10, 2008 So much so that your name should be an embarrassment for you! In that vein... Alanis Morisette is a great Canadian singer. Quote Those Dern Rednecks done outfoxed the left wing again.~blueblood~
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 11, 2008 Report Posted March 11, 2008 In that vein...Alanis Morisette is a great Canadian singer. Too bad that wasn't good enough...now she is an American too! Happens all the time...... Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
White Doors Posted March 11, 2008 Report Posted March 11, 2008 Too bad that wasn't good enough...now she is an American too! Happens all the time...... And Thank you! can you take Celine too please? Quote Those Dern Rednecks done outfoxed the left wing again.~blueblood~
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