Teacher's Pet

[kengs333]

Anyone happen to catch this? It was quite shocking, to say the least:

http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/teacherspet/

Edited January 10, 2008 by kengs333

[cybercoma]

The first case doesn't sound like sexual assault at all. The guy was 17, possibly mature for his age (who knows?) and the teacher may have been in her 20s. Sounds like they just had a relationship that went sour and with all the sensationalized media reports of teachers having sex with students, he thought he could easily smear her. At 17, months away from being voting age and already old enough to bear the responsibility of driving on our highways, I don't feel bad for him one bit. He was probably bragging to his friends about it.

[charter.rights]

The first case doesn't sound like sexual assault at all. The guy was 17, possibly mature for his age (who knows?) and the teacher may have been in her 20s. Sounds like they just had a relationship that went sour and with all the sensationalized media reports of teachers having sex with students, he thought he could easily smear her. At 17, months away from being voting age and already old enough to bear the responsibility of driving on our highways, I don't feel bad for him one bit. He was probably bragging to his friends about it.

(I gathered he was 16 when the affair started because they talked about his birthday).

The teacher's lawyer was asked the question:

What if the roles were reversed and it was a 26 year old married man having sex with a 17 year old school girl?

[cybercoma]

What if it was? What difference does it make if the roles are reversed? If the 17 year old consents, it is what it is. At 17, I think a person should be old enough to think for themself.

[M.Dancer]

What if it was? What difference does it make if the roles are reversed? If the 17 year old consents, it is what it is. At 17, I think a person should be old enough to think for themself.

The difference is as a Teacher she (or he) can still be found culpable for reason being in authority.

Section 151 of the Criminal Code of Canada makes it a crime to touch, for a sexual purpose, any person under the age of 14 years. Section 153 then goes on to prohibit the sexual touching of a person under 18 by a person in three circumstances: if he or she is in a "position of trust or authority" towards the youth, if the youth is in a "relationship of dependency" with him or her or if the relationship is "exploitative"

That being said I would have given anything to be touched by Miss Nahbi

[cybercoma]

She wasn't his teacher, which means she wasn't in a position of authority or trust over him. For all we know, and we don't know, he could've been coming onto her the entire year and it culminated with her writing that note.

I don't feel bad for this 17 year old at all. He was months away from the statute not applying to him. It seems kinda ridiculous that they're calling it a sexual assault.

[Borg]

I know it is a double standard, but I have to admit I would probably not have walked away from her if I had been a student.

In fact there were several teachers that I knew while in high school and college that I would have jumped at the chance to bed down with.

A tempest in a tea pot.

Borg

[kimmy]

The difference is as a Teacher she (or he) can still be found culpable for reason being in authority.

What makes this particular case a little perplexing is that she was not *his* teacher. As the article says, she was an elementary teacher, and he was a high school student. In a city, they would be at different schools and the argument that she's in a position of trust/authority over him goes out the window. In this instance, elementary through high school apparently attended the same school. That blurs the line.

-k

[M.Dancer]

What makes this particular case a little perplexing is that she was not *his* teacher. As the article says, she was an elementary teacher, and he was a high school student. In a city, they would be at different schools and the argument that she's in a position of trust/authority over him goes out the window. In this instance, elementary through high school apparently attended the same school. That blurs the line.

-k

I agree but the story doesn't make that clear that they may have been in differnt schools. She approached him in school...who's?

Is it possible that a regional school in Alberta might have primary and high school in the same facility?

[kengs333]

The first case doesn't sound like sexual assault at all. The guy was 17, possibly mature for his age (who knows?) and the teacher may have been in her 20s. Sounds like they just had a relationship that went sour and with all the sensationalized media reports of teachers having sex with students, he thought he could easily smear her. At 17, months away from being voting age and already old enough to bear the responsibility of driving on our highways, I don't feel bad for him one bit. He was probably bragging to his friends about it.

There's a clear double standard here. First of all, she was eleven years his senior, and as much as you want to think that 17 is mature enough, it isn't, especially when it comes to something of this nature. If the roles were reversed, the argument that there was manipulation by the teacher would probably be more accepted, but for some reason people don't want to entertain the notion that sweet, attractive lady teacher is just as likely to be manipulative. If you had seen the episode, you'd know that he didn't "brag" to his friends, that the fallout has been quite bad for him. It's a small town, the school had ten teachers and 100 students--she was not his teacher, but in that environment she was still in a position of authority, and what she did was wrong.

[kengs333]

I'm surprised that everyone focused on the first story and not the one about the 12 year-old girl. I think that it was the more disturbing of the two stories, since the school covered up the issue and allowed the teacher to continue teaching for another ten years during which she allegedly abused at least six other female students.

[Moonlight Graham]

This kid is NO victim. He is the luckiest 17-year-old guy in the world. Any guy in here will tell you that he's not sitting somewhere right now crying about his abuse. He probably has a giant smile on his face actually. These events have not caused him disturbing nightmares, but rather some wet-dreams.

The teacher is an idiot though, she should be punished for going over the line with a student.

[cybercoma]

Is it possible that a regional school in Alberta might have primary and high school in the same facility?

There's schools here in NB like that, so I imagine in rural Alberta there are schools like that.

[cybercoma]

I'm surprised that everyone focused on the first story and not the one about the 12 year-old girl. I think that it was the more disturbing of the two stories, since the school covered up the issue and allowed the teacher to continue teaching for another ten years during which she allegedly abused at least six other female students.

That should be universally detestable. There's no point in everyone saying how terrible it is and agreeing. What's worth discussing is the issue being made out of the non-issue.

[Lazarus]

At age 15, I l gladly lost my cherry to a girl of 18.

At age 16, I earned the right to drive and was considered to mature enough and had enough mental capacity to make the judgment calls required to operate 2000 lbs of potential automotive destruction on the public streets.

At age 17 years and six months, I enlisted in the Naval Reserves while still in High School, (had to get mom's written permission of course).

Five months later I graduated for GMTII at HMSC Patriot (NRTC Albert Head) and was aboard the minesweeper HMCS Chigneto learning to become a Boatswain.

My 18th birthday was spent being violently seasick for the first time in my life.

At 18 after a year in the Naval Reserves, I was accepted in the Regular Forces.

Each one of these major life altering decisions I made on my own, knowing full well both the benefits and consequences of my actions.

Basically what I am saying here is, teens of 15 years old and upwards are fully capable of making informed and rational decisions on their own and should be held accountable for them. This includes those that commit criminal acts or decided to accept a teachers offer of extra-curricular physical/biological education. So in my book, the first case in this story really is a non-runner.

However, the second case is different on a number of levels, including the age of the victim at the time the abuse started. That case was a true abuse of trust.

[kimmy]

I'm surprised that everyone focused on the first story and not the one about the 12 year-old girl. I think that it was the more disturbing of the two stories, since the school covered up the issue and allowed the teacher to continue teaching for another ten years during which she allegedly abused at least six other female students.

People are focusing on the first one because it's the one with shades of grey. (Particularly, to me at least, does the fact that she was not *his* teacher alter the "position of authority" aspect of it?)

There's nothing to discuss in regard to the second story: it's as clear cut as could possibly be. Is there anything to say about it that doesn't go without saying?

-k

[kengs333]

There's nothing to discuss in regard to the second story: it's as clear cut as could possibly be. Is there anything to say about it that doesn't go without saying?

-k

I think the manner in which the second story was reported was something of an issue for me; certain issues were not addressed.

[kimmy]

I think the manner in which the second story was reported was something of an issue for me; certain issues were not addressed.

If that's what you'd like to talk about, why not kick things off yourself?

-k

[Tawasakm]

I have been reading for a time before joining in again with these forums and I would have to say this: lets nobody dsicourage Kengs from what is perhaps his first solidly expressed point. If "the school covered up the issue and allowed the teacher to continue teaching for another ten years during which she allegedly abused at least six other female students." then that does raise a pretty serious line of questions. I, for one, would like to encourage Kengs on this one.

On a side not - damn the functionality has altered

[Tawasakm]

Also my post count has diminished substantially which I guess is off topic...

[kengs333]

If that's what you'd like to talk about, why not kick things off yourself?

-k

I'm not in the mood to go there, but I'm interested in why nobody else sees this. Or maybe they do and they don't want to make an issue about it and contribute to the conspiracy of silence.

[kengs333]

Kengs from what is perhaps his first solidly expressed point.

I've made numerous "solidly expressed points" so I'm not sure what you mean.

[PoliAgno]

Was the teacher atractive? Sorry but if a really good looking teacher had sex with you when you were 17, would you be traumatized?

[DrGreenthumb]

Was the teacher atractive? Sorry but if a really good looking teacher had sex with you when you were 17, would you be traumatized?

What a joke, if a hot teacher gave it up to me when I was 16 or 17, I'd still be sending her a christmas card every year, lol. I think the mean ones are the ones who dress hot enough to give ya blueballs, but never let you swim in their ocean.

[kengs333]

What a joke, if a hot teacher gave it up to me when I was 16 or 17, I'd still be sending her a christmas card every year, lol. I think the mean ones are the ones who dress hot enough to give ya blueballs, but never let you swim in their ocean.

It's people like you that sometimes makes me have crazy thoughts like "feminists are right about men"... of course, I quickly come to my senses, but still, I can't get over the fact that men can sometimes be so stupid when it comes to sexuality.