Young Offenders Act enforces wickedness

[Oleg Bach]

Another shocking incident in Toronto - a child of 13 is gutted and left to bleed to death in horrific agony - ban the gun? - What a bunch of crap! Ban the knife or the club? - more crap! Ban the courts would be more appropriate - the Young Offenders Act that was by design meant to protect the identity of young people who made mistakes - who could be given a second chance - well this whole idea has fallen apart and what young offenders have realized is that there are very wicked men in high positions in the judicary and politics - mean and woman that the kids realize actually enforce and protect wickedness. It has become evident that wicked and cruel behaviour is becoming the norm and these devils that sit in high positions look upon mislead and crazed youth as their personal minions doing their filthy bidding and creating more social chaos - making it easy for talentless and cruel pricks to rule - devide and conquer seems to be the name of the game and now this method of control has reached a new low - they now go though our weakest point to harm THROUGH OUR CHILDREN.

[sharkman]

You had me until you started drooling.

However, I agree with our courts being a big problem, and I don't know enough about the young offenders act, but with all of the wrist slapping that goes on in court when violent crimes are committed, something smells.

[Oleg Bach]

You had me until you started drooling.

However, I agree with our courts being a big problem, and I don't know enough about the young offenders act, but with all of the wrist slapping that goes on in court when violent crimes are committed, something smells.

I know an old guy from my distant and dark past - he and his buddies appoint judges - he is a racist - holds humanity in contempt - dispises emotion and has great power as far as making things happen..there is a whole quite un-elected government that just USES society and really does not give a damn for family or nationhood - it is clear to me that the more social chaos that takes place the more this sect thrives. Watching this develope in the last thirty years has made things very clear - that these types of men are just plain nasty - and because they have so much influence - society suffers....to put it plainly...they are mean spirited and are filled with glee when tradgedy takes place - our kids are starting to kill each other and they remain silent. I know for a fact that most of the problems are economic and the restriction of resourses done with the intent to cause suffering - we are ruled by pricks - and these pricks control the courts.

[M.Dancer]

I know an old guy from my distant and dark past - he and his buddies appoint judges - he is a racist - ...

He doesn't by any chance look like a fire hydrant does he?

[Oleg Bach]

He doesn't by any chance look like a fire hydrant does he?

He has the face of a fire hydrant - what are you saying - that I am being disloyal and pissing on him as if I am a dog? Dancer - all I can say is I had great hopes that this type of man would change - seems there is no changing them - after all you have to remember that most of the grand childern and aging sons of our Canadian and American leadership - ALL were spawns of the Mafia of the early 40s. So what we have are very powerful people who are laundered offspring of crooks - so what should we have expected - that those fathers and grandfathers that did business with the Brofmans and Kennedys - selling dope and booze to all of North America - or weapons dealers that betrayed their own nations for profit - that their sons who all became lawyers and run corporations - are nasty low life also - this should not be a surprise - that those in control now are the rotten spawns of gangstres - but now these sons of bitches sit on the boards of very nice multi-nationals - the apple does not fall far from the tree - If a father is willing to posion a nation for profit - then that son has no problem allowing the poor children to kill each other - while the courts turn a profit.

[M.Dancer]

He has the face of a fire hydrant - what are you saying - that I am being disloyal and pissing on him as if I am a dog?

No no not at all....I'm saying that given your normal lucid self you might have had a long and meaningfull discussion with a (racist) fire hydrant. Were there a lot of dogs there at the time? Or at least very small elephants that looked like dogs?

[sharkman]

But Dancer,(so you're scottish, eh?) what's your opinion of our court system. You can't think everything is peachy keen, can you?

[Oleg Bach]

But Dancer,(so you're scottish, eh?) what's your opinion of our court system. You can't think everything is peachy keen, can you?

Spent five years from the lowest court to the highest - all I saw was cowardice and policy that served no one - I saw wicked judges - male and female that were just plain evil - yes EVIL...NO WONDER THE KIDS THAT OFFEND FEEL PROTECTED-- THEY DO EVIL AND ENTER INTO A COURT OF EVIL..end of story - there is no nobility in the courts just the sons and dauthers of plumbers making a good buck....they are parasites of the worst kind - we would have more justice and peace in the nation if all boycotted the courts - the courts are a bad influence on our childern!

[Oleg Bach]

Spent five years from the lowest court to the highest - all I saw was cowardice and policy that served no one - I saw wicked judges - male and female that were just plain evil - yes EVIL...NO WONDER THE KIDS THAT OFFEND FEEL PROTECTED-- THEY DO EVIL AND ENTER INTO A COURT OF EVIL..end of story - there is no nobility in the courts just the sons and dauthers of plumbers making a good buck....they are parasites of the worst kind - we would have more justice and peace in the nation if all boycotted the courts - the courts are a bad influence on our childern!

I know I have been reprimanded for "answering my own posts" - but bare with me as I extend wha I have wrote. We have a system in place that simply does not have personal (judges) that have honour or have the brains and spirit to judge - our judciary is now a monopoly of second rate lawyers and those that sit on the bench that should actually not be judges but "associates" at Walmart - robots most of whom are medicated out of their minds - who simply enforce policy handed down to them by their superiours - NOT politicians but just real rich and nasty old lawyers who have great sway over the money supply - those that "appoint" judges - and those the quietly influence the appointment of judges are the ones in control - and they seem to have an evil streak that can not be addressed because these men stay below the public radar screen - so if you have a wicked hater or a twit who influences the appointment of judges (secondary government) - then you have a nation run by creeps..this is a sad system - to actually go to the supreme court and find that there was no one their to judge was my greatest disappointment - all they did their was cover up the fact that the Justice Minister - was not permitted to judge - there was no one even behind the curtain pulling levers - The Supreme Court Of Canada is empty of judges...it's very sad.

[Community Advocate]

the Young Offenders Act that was by design meant to protect the identity of young people who made mistakes - who could be given a second chance - well this whole idea has fallen apart

Yes, the YJCA was created to give kids who do stupid things a second chance.

Trouble is, they get many more chances than two.

The restorative justice component of the YJCA is ineffective or ignored.

The consequences that young offenders face are not meaningful nor corrective.

Most young people are aware of the ineffectiveness of the YJCA.

Most adult criminals are also aware of the ineffectiveness of the YJCA, and therefore utilize the youth in their own criminal activity.

Illegal street drugs are the most common contributing factor to youth criminal activity.

Even when parents are trying to keep their teens on the straight and narrow, as the laws of the land demand, there are no laws that parents can have enforced to get their own teens off the illegal street drugs that are the root cause of these crimes.

Youth are not only resorting to committing these crimes against other youth, they are also committing henious crimes against adults.

I believe every child should be given a second chance, but that chance must include restorative and rehabilitative action.

Until we give power back to the parents over their own children, and put the government support into place to support them, we will continue to see our youth go off the rails.

And, it is not an Act, or a Law that is at fault here, it is the adults who are resonsible to put these things into place - a combination of public input and serious interest on the part of the government officials, lawmakers, parole officers and judges.

[M.Dancer]

But Dancer,(so you're scottish, eh?) what's your opinion of our court system. You can't think everything is peachy keen, can you?

I am canadian of gaelic extraction. Relevance?

I have had next to no personal experiance with the courts. I do know thay are back logged. That hiring more prosecuters and judege was an election promise in ontario......

[Oleg Bach]

I am canadian of gaelic extraction. Relevance?

I have had next to no personal experiance with the courts. I do know thay are back logged. That hiring more prosecuters and judege was an election promise in ontario......

There is a lack of ethics in the system - that's all I know and the young offenders can smell it - It's evident that judges hands are tied via policy and they run on auto - just wonded who sets the policy - cops dispise the juges that do no pronounce judgement - but young offenders behave as if they are employed by the judges..so I honestly belief that most judges pracitice illegality as rountine in their own court - and the kids understand this and feel protected - like part of the gang - juniour members.

[Muddy]

I have great adult productive kids who have never been in trouble with the law. Why? Could it be they were taught and given a moral compass by observing their parents leading by example? I can honestly say we had something to do with their morality but that does not mean kids today brought up properly can not go bad. Our society has handcuffed parents and law enforcement from teaching the consequences of actions. We have teachers and social workers not working in the best interest of the child . The old adage is that for every action there is a reaction is no longer valid. There is no immediate consequences for slovenly dress, study ,bad social intercourse that breeds bullying ,drugs theft and vandalism. Without consequences through a childs youth a big suprise awaits the new adult that finds themselves in a a more equal world with their fellow adults. This murder of a child by other children is abnormal behaviour by our standards of yesterday. Will it be normacly tomorow?

[sharkman]

I am canadian of gaelic extraction. Relevance?

I have had next to no personal experiance with the courts. I do know thay are back logged. That hiring more prosecuters and judege was an election promise in ontario......

There was no relevance, I was just making conversation.

In Vancouver recently, there was a case that made the headlines about two kids at a party who beat another kid so bad he is now a vegetable. One of the two got house arrest. I don't remember if they were young offenders, but none the less we have a justice system that has lost its way when it's more concerned about the future of the criminal than the victim.

[Topaz]

We keep hearing that some Canadians want the government out of their private lives, so here's a good example were the parents of these kids who are troubled should be involved so they don't ended up under the young offenders act. If parents can't be there for their kids the first 21 years of their life to guide them, then they shouldn't have kids. It's definitely not easy at times but it can be done. I think the girl that died, was from a single parent family if I'm wrong please correct me. and God knows there many of them out there and its even tougher on these types of family. Maybe the solution is having the kids of today, being in a programs at school where there classes about life is taught by teachers who can get the attention of the kids to speaking of their problems and not let it get out of hand on the street.

[Community Advocate]

Our society has handcuffed parents and law enforcement from teaching the consequences of actions. We have teachers and social workers not working in the best interest of the child . The old adage is that for every action there is a reaction is no longer valid. There is no immediate consequences for slovenly dress, study ,bad social intercourse that breeds bullying ,drugs theft and vandalism.

I.T.A. The youth of today are well versed on their rights, but very unclear about the responisbilities that go along with those rights.

We are not holding our youth accountable for their actions. Things are the way they are becasue we set them up this way.

We are failing our youth through ineffective public school systems, ineffective or non-existent support for families, absent laws that allow parents to intervene when their kids begin going off the rails and experimenting with drugs, and then, through the ineffective youth criminal justice system.

What else can we expect?

[Muddy]

We keep hearing that some Canadians want the government out of their private lives, so here's a good example were the parents of these kids who are troubled should be involved so they don't ended up under the young offenders act. If parents can't be there for their kids the first 21 years of their life to guide them, then they shouldn't have kids. It's definitely not easy at times but it can be done. I think the girl that died, was from a single parent family if I'm wrong please correct me. and God knows there many of them out there and its even tougher on these types of family. Maybe the solution is having the kids of today, being in a programs at school where there classes about life is taught by teachers who can get the attention of the kids to speaking of their problems and not let it get out of hand on the street.

TEACHERS you say! Good Lord ,these people can`t teach basic math ,science and spelling! I can`t see where they are qualified to teach something as deep and complicated as life skills. Teaching is no longer a calling you know! It`s a Union job first.

Teaching was once a very noble profession. I am sure there are some dedicated teachers ,but they are the exception from what I have experienced.

[Community Advocate]

TEACHERS you say! Good Lord ,these people can`t teach basic math ,science and spelling! I can`t see where they are qualified to teach something as deep and complicated as life skills. Teaching is no longer a calling you know! It`s a Union job first.

Teaching was once a very noble profession. I am sure there are some dedicated teachers ,but they are the exception from what I have experienced.

The school counsellors are not even equipped to enter such discussions with students. They are focussed on course planning, and in my opinion, their job should be re-labelled as such: course planning counsellor.

But there is a good point. Schools are a place of learning - some real life education would be more effective than some of the things students are required to waste their time on in school. Life skills should be taught in school much more than they are now. I read an article not too long ago (I'll see if I can find it) where it was suggested that in high school, the skills of cooking, nutrition, mortgages, loans, and the likes would be included in the curriculum. Some parents agreed. Others felt that home was the place to teach those things. Others argued that some parents at home are not equipped to be teaching their kids about these things, especially not as well equipped as a trained professor, or that they were just too busy (poor excuse imo).

I still think teaching is a noble profession.

[Community Advocate]

both pros and cons:

http://bctf.ca/thesa/articles/Vol03_1Schaffer.pdf

http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2007/...gement-classes/

http://www.mytwodollars.com/2007/03/05/sho...in-high-school/

and I found my post from another forum where we discussed this article:

I finally see in print my ideas from waaaaaaaay back when I was in high school. A local writer is addressing Federal NDP Olivia Chow's idea of providing meals to all children in schools. "It is asolutely essential that kids have decent meal" she insisted. "We know that children can not learn very well when they are hungry or they are hyped up by sugar or bad food and junk food."

The program she is suggesting is not just for underprivileged or low-income familes, but also for well-to-do kids who can't be bothered to wake p early enough to eat breakfst before leaving for school.

The writer claims that while there is nothing inherently wrong with Chow's plan, it fails to address the real problem, which is as follows:

"Many Canadians are simply too lazy or too stupid to ensure that their kids receive proper nutrition and exercise in order to combat the alarming increase in child obesity". She goes on to say, "Fat child? I'll bet you dollars to do-nuts that mom or dad are overweight as well."

Now here's where she really makes sense to me, and I've been saying this, as I said before, since I was in 11th grade in high school.

"What we really need in Canadian schools is daily physical education classes, as well as a mandatory home-economics course for all high school students."

"Home ec, which has been branded cleverly by some educators as "Family and Consumer Sciences" is probably the most important couse a student can take."

The writer is Lydia Lovric, and she proclaims in her article, a more effective course content:

"The home ec class I propose wouldn't teach kids how to bake a pie from scratch. Rather, it woudl teach students about proper nutrition, how to read food labels, and how to plan healthy meals. It would also include important financial lessons, such as how to save for college or university, how to fill out income tax forms, and how to avoid credit card debt."

"Family Planning would not focus so much on the birds and the bees - since most teens are more than familiar with the concept - but on learning the true cost of raising kids."

"Students should also be acquainted with the latest advice from parenting experts, health experts, mortgage experts, and any other type of expert who may have something meaningful to offer in terms of everyday life."

"For those teens who believe they'll never have kids, well, we know the overwhelming majority of students will one da become parents or step-parents. Besides, how many of us use calculus or chemistry on a day-to-day basis?"

"If we want to help kids long term, education - not handouts - is the key"

So, what do y'all think about this. Will we ever see an educational system that truly teaches life skills?

[Muddy]

I still think teaching is a noble profession.

It sure can be if the teachers can separate their Union from their profession. All of us are teachers in one way or the other. I lead my family by example.That too is teaching. I lead my employess by example. Shoulder to the wheel,nose to the grind stone. Yes ,teaching can be noble,but you don`t have to have a teaching certificate to teach.

[Oleg Bach]

It sure can be if the teachers can separate their Union from their profession. All of us are teachers in one way or the other. I lead my family by example.That too is teaching. I lead my employess by example. Shoulder to the wheel,nose to the grind stone. Yes ,teaching can be noble,but you don`t have to have a teaching certificate to teach.

Most teachers are bureacrats. Most are concerned about finacial security. Most become teacher because they are mediocre human beings - Most that teach - teach because they can not do - Most teachers are totally institutionalized much like a lifer in the pen - Most young teachers enter day care in infancey, then go to public school and then they go to highschool - then university - teachers college and then back into primary school. Teachers and social workers are usually dweebs. Having said that - I had one teacher worth his salt. He taught one thing - the love of learning - not dogma or social policy. Now as far as the young offenders act - like I said before - once the kids know that judges have no morals - they are free to be evil - most judges are appointed by evil men who's only purpose is to maintain a status quo of selfishness and riches - so what do you expect - a fancey crimminal appoints a judge to be an offical crimminal and the kids follow suit - best advice to young offenders is to not offend in order to avoid the courts that are full of evil men and self serving woman.

[guyser]

Most teachers are bureacrats. Most are concerned about finacial security. Most become teacher because they are mediocre human beings - Most that teach - teach because they can not do - Most teachers are totally institutionalized much like a lifer in the pen - Most young teachers enter day care in infancey, then go to public school and then they go to highschool -

Quite the record you have there sport.

Each post confirms you have not the slightest idea what you are talking about.

[Community Advocate]

Most teachers are bureacrats.

Perhaps some, but I wouldn't say 'most'.

Most are concerned about finacial security.

Well, I can't argue with that, and I don't see how they are different than anyone else regarding that.

Most become teacher because they are mediocre human beings -

What an insult to all teachers!

Most that teach - teach because they can not do -

Those that can do, do. Those that truly understand can teach.

Most teachers are totally institutionalized much like a lifer in the pen -

I suppose some may feel this way, but I do not believe most of them do.

Most young teachers enter day care in infancey, then go to public school and then they go to highschool - then university - teachers college and then back into primary school.

That process sounds reasonable, and quite similar to the rest of us, minus the 'back into primary school'. This is their choice of profession. And, I can't see anyone going into it for the money. Now, when we start paying teachers the hockey players rate of pay, then they may go into it for the money. But the teachers I know are started out with big ideas on how to help kids get educated.

Teachers and social workers are usually dweebs.

Well, another well thought-out insult to our teachers! How would you describe a 'dweeb'?

Having said that - I had one teacher worth his salt. He taught one thing - the love of learning - not dogma or social policy.

How nice that you did manage to find one good teacher. I wonder how he would view your insults to his peers?

Now as far as the young offenders act - like I said before - once the kids know that judges have no morals - they are free to be evil - most judges are appointed by evil men who's only purpose is to maintain a status quo of selfishness and riches - so what do you expect - a fancey crimminal appoints a judge to be an offical crimminal and the kids follow suit - best advice to young offenders is to not offend in order to avoid the courts that are full of evil men and self serving woman.

There are some serious problems with the Youth Criminal Justice Act (formerly YOA), agreed. I'm working on fixing some of those problems myself -- I'm not one to sit back and complain without offering assistance in any way I can. I'm also one to create projects that address these issues in my community.

What action have you taken, (other than to voice your disgust and contempt of the justice system on public forums) to make this situation better?

[White Doors]

Quite the record you have there sport.

Each post confirms you have not the slightest idea what you are talking about.

He's mad because he is on welfare and think it's not enough even though he never paid taxes and got caught.

So he's taking out without having 'put in'.