Who's Doing What? Posted April 16, 2008 Report Posted April 16, 2008 (edited) Latest poll from Strategic Counsel.http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...14?hub=Politics Liberal support has jumped substantially in Ontario but they have dropped a lot in Quebec. One wonder how the raid will on Tory headquarters will play out with voters in the next set of polls. I doubt it will affect too many people immediately. They seem to be taking the "wait and see" approach with the Tories. They seem to be willing to give the tories a larger benifit of the doubt then they gave the Liberals who had been in power for over a decade, and had numerous things occur over the years. After all this was the party that promised "Integrity, accountability....." Edited April 16, 2008 by Who's Doing What? Quote Harper differed with his party on some key policy issues; in 1995, for example, he was one of only two Reform MPs to vote in favour of federal legislation requiring owners to register their guns. http://www.mapleleafweb.com/election/bio/harper.html "You've got to remember that west of Winnipeg the ridings the Liberals hold are dominated by people who are either recent Asian immigrants or recent migrants from eastern Canada: people who live in ghettoes and who are not integrated into western Canadian society." (Stephen Harper, Report Newsmagazine, January 22, 2001)
jbg Posted April 16, 2008 Report Posted April 16, 2008 I think there was too many of the old guard either behind the scenes or pulling the strings to really say the current CPC was a "new" party. Sure there were new faces. Just a new layer of stain put on over the same tired old fence boards. I'll agree it was more an "elephant by committee" rather than a totally new party initially. The then-new merger still made any real eelction-readiness impossible. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jbg Posted April 16, 2008 Report Posted April 16, 2008 Latest poll from Strategic Counsel.http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...14?hub=Politics Liberal support has jumped substantially in Ontario but they have dropped a lot in Quebec. One wonder how the raid will on Tory headquarters will play out with voters in the next set of polls. The Liberals have a lock on much of Ontario so an increase in Liberal support in Ontario does as much good for them as an increase in Conservative support in Alberta (and increasingly Saskatchewan and Manitoba) does; none. Quebec on the other hand is traditionally (from what I can see from Stateside) a "swing" province that makes the difference between a "Conservative" majority, i.e. 1984 and 1988 and a Liberal majority, i.e. 1968, 1980, 1993 etc.Thus this poll would have to be seen as bad news for the Liberals to the extent any of these media polls mean anything. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jdobbin Posted April 18, 2008 Author Report Posted April 18, 2008 Latest poll from Decima. http://canadianpress.google.com/article/AL...bLrMbPSheJJfM9w A new poll suggests women are making waves in voting intention, sweeping the Liberals into a slight lead over the Conservatives.The Canadian Press Harris-Decima Poll put Liberal support at 33 per cent, compared to 30 per cent for the Tories nationally. The Liberals led the Conservatives in Ontario, Quebec, Atlantic Canada and B.C. The NDP was at 16 per cent nationally, compared to 11 per cent for the Greens. Conservative strategists have been bedevilled by their failure to attract more support among women voters despite working hard to do so. The poll suggests the Liberals have a wider advantage among women than at any time since the last election. Thirty-six per cent of women polled said they would back the Liberals, compared to 26 per cent for the Tories. Further evidence that the Tories are losing women despite what some on the right wing have said in these forums. Quote
Vancouver King Posted April 18, 2008 Report Posted April 18, 2008 Latest poll from Decima.http://canadianpress.google.com/article/AL...bLrMbPSheJJfM9w Further evidence that the Tories are losing women despite what some on the right wing have said in these forums. This latest poll was conducted April 10 - 13th well before the fallout from the RCMP raid on Conservative headquarters. I am no expert but suspect the raid will knock another 3% off the Tory numbers. Tonight CBC's At Issue panel made an interesting point on decreasing women's support for Tories. The party's belligerent, aggressive response to all controversial issues - particularly thumbing it's nose at Elections Canada - does not sit well with feminine sensibility. It must be tempting for Dion to pull the plug. Quote When the people have no tyrant, their public opinion becomes one. ...... Lord Lytton
jdobbin Posted April 24, 2008 Author Report Posted April 24, 2008 Latest poll from Decima on the popularity of the leaders. http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/080424/...ion_harper_poll Harper and Stephane Dion: to know them is not necessarily to love them.A new poll suggests only a minority of voters are growing fonder of the prime minister and the Liberal leader with time. The Canadian Press Harris-Decima survey suggests only 43 per cent of respondents say their opinion of Harper has improved with time, while the numbers for Dion are even lower. Only 27 per cent of respondents said their impression of the Liberal leader has improved. Harris-Decima president Bruce Anderson says the numbers may explain why the Conservatives and Liberals have both struggled to gain much political ground since the last election. It certainly explains why we both parties have been reluctant to pull the trigger on an election. Quote
punked Posted April 25, 2008 Report Posted April 25, 2008 The green party is making these polls hard to understand for sure, cause you are not sure where they will break. Quote
M.Dancer Posted April 25, 2008 Report Posted April 25, 2008 The green party is making these polls hard to understand for sure, cause you are not sure where they will break. not a question of where, but how much. The Greens will cannibalize the NDP and the Liberals. A strong Green showing (6%+) will translate into seat losses for both parties and still none for the single issue Greens. Here's hoping the Greens do well! Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
jdobbin Posted April 26, 2008 Author Report Posted April 26, 2008 Latest poll from Angus Reid. http://www.thestar.com/News/Canada/article/418689 Prime Minister Stephen Harper's Conservatives are losing voters' support – a trend accelerated by the RCMP raid last week on Tory headquarters, according to a Toronto Star/Angus Reid poll released today.The Conservatives stand at 33 per cent support across Canada, a loss of three percentage points since a similar poll in March. The Liberals have been the prime beneficiaries of that slide, up four percentage points to 30 per cent, according to the online poll of 1,007 Canadians. Nearly two thirds of Canadians are saying the Elections Canada raid has hurt Tory credibility. A majority of those polled – 58 per cent – believe that the Conservatives' credibility has been damaged by their ongoing dispute with Elections Canada over the so-called "in and out" financing of the last election, which resulted in the RCMP raid of party headquarters more than a week ago. Harper still leads in key leadership areas by a wide margin except on bring honest and trustworthy. Quote
MontyBurns Posted April 26, 2008 Report Posted April 26, 2008 not a question of where, but how much. The Greens will cannibalize the NDP and the Liberals. A strong Green showing (6%+) will translate into seat losses for both parties and still none for the single issue Greens.Here's hoping the Greens do well! GO GREENS! Quote "From my cold dead hands." Charlton Heston
Vancouver King Posted April 26, 2008 Report Posted April 26, 2008 Latest poll from Angus Reid.http://www.thestar.com/News/Canada/article/418689 Nearly two thirds of Canadians are saying the Elections Canada raid has hurt Tory credibility. Harper still leads in key leadership areas by a wide margin except on bring honest and trustworthy. What a difference a month makes. From a double digit lead to 3% - and that assumes Tory support has bottomed over the RCMP raid affair. Economic storm clouds on the horizon ensure additional pressure on Tory support, confirming the truism, "Tory times are tough times". Perhaps the biggest surprise in this poll is the NDP at 20%. If gas hits $2.25 and a loaf of bread goes to $4, look for this support level to increase as working voters juggle household budgets. Quote When the people have no tyrant, their public opinion becomes one. ...... Lord Lytton
jdobbin Posted April 27, 2008 Author Report Posted April 27, 2008 A new poll out from Decima. http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...27?hub=Politics Fifty-six per cent of respondents to The Canadian Press-Harris-Decima survey said they were worried about a recession, and 55 per cent said they didn't feel Harper offered much optimism or inspiration.Slightly over 50 per cent said they felt the Tories don't care about the same issues they do. Flaherty has promised not to go into deficit today. We'll see if he has to cut to do it. He could start by cutting the railroad in his riding. Quote
Wild Bill Posted April 27, 2008 Report Posted April 27, 2008 Latest poll from Decima.http://canadianpress.google.com/article/AL...bLrMbPSheJJfM9w Further evidence that the Tories are losing women despite what some on the right wing have said in these forums. Hmm...I would assume that if the Tories are losing women voters they are likely switching to the Liberals. Does this mean that Dion's Liberals are more attractive to women than to men? That "real men" won't vote Liberal? Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
MontyBurns Posted April 27, 2008 Report Posted April 27, 2008 That "real men" won't vote Liberal? Dion discriminates against male candidates in his party. Only a feminized wuss would vote for the liberals. Quote "From my cold dead hands." Charlton Heston
peter_puck Posted April 27, 2008 Report Posted April 27, 2008 Probably so. A minority is still a win. A minority would preserve the status quo as far as the government goes. It would also cost alot of money and perhaps result in a new/more popular Liberal leader. It might technically be a win, but it would be an empty one. Quote
BubberMiley Posted April 27, 2008 Report Posted April 27, 2008 Considering the Tories have declared the Liberals to be strictly a "left-wing" party, I'm struck by the eroding support for the Canadian right wing. If the CPC can only scratch together 30% support, does this mean that 70% of Canadians consider themselves left wing? That seems much higher than I would expect. The only other answer is that, even among many right-wingers, Harper is just too extreme. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
BubberMiley Posted April 27, 2008 Report Posted April 27, 2008 (edited) del Edited April 27, 2008 by BubberMiley Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
daniel Posted April 28, 2008 Report Posted April 28, 2008 A...Flaherty has promised not to go into deficit today. We'll see if he has to cut to do it. He could start by cutting the railroad in his riding. Remembering what the Fraser Institute had discovered about Flaherty as Ontario Finance Minister, I wouldn't be at all surprised if he has already taken Canada into a deficit. Quote
jdobbin Posted April 28, 2008 Author Report Posted April 28, 2008 Hmm...I would assume that if the Tories are losing women voters they are likely switching to the Liberals.Does this mean that Dion's Liberals are more attractive to women than to men? That "real men" won't vote Liberal? I'm sure real men and real women vote Tory. Regular men and women seem to vote other parties. Quote
fellowtraveller Posted April 28, 2008 Report Posted April 28, 2008 A minority would preserve the status quo as far as the government goes. It would also cost alot of money and perhaps result in a new/more popular Liberal leader.It might technically be a win, but it would be an empty one. That is silly. Empty in what way? The preferred outcome for the Tories would be a majority, but they would certainly be fine with another minority. This time, they truly would govern as if they had a majority. Quote The government should do something.
punked Posted April 28, 2008 Report Posted April 28, 2008 This time, they truly would govern as if they had a majority. They already are. Quote
MontyBurns Posted April 28, 2008 Report Posted April 28, 2008 A minority would preserve the status quo as far as the government goes. It would also cost alot of money and perhaps result in a new/more popular Liberal leader.It might technically be a win, but it would be an empty one. With 5 major parties a majority is going to be difficult for any party to get including the liberals. Quote "From my cold dead hands." Charlton Heston
MontyBurns Posted April 28, 2008 Report Posted April 28, 2008 ... does this mean that 70% of Canadians consider themselves left wing? I would not doubt that since Canada is probably the most feminized, gayest country on earth. We conservatives have much work to do. Quote "From my cold dead hands." Charlton Heston
madmax Posted April 28, 2008 Report Posted April 28, 2008 I would not doubt that since Canada is probably the most feminized, gayest country on earth. We conservatives have much work to do. Are you going to purge the Gays and Feminists from your party? Quote
MontyBurns Posted April 28, 2008 Report Posted April 28, 2008 Are you going to purge the Gays and Feminists from your party? No need to purge anything. Gays and feminists are misguided human beings. Once they learn how to be normal men and women again the battle is won. It is unfortunate that so many Canadians have bought into their ideologies. Like I said, much work for us to do. Quote "From my cold dead hands." Charlton Heston
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