Immigration and Multiculturalism in Canada

[iForgot]

What do you think should behold the future of Canada???

[Guest American Woman]

I think we should force all immigrants to assimilate (adopt the melting pot strategy like the US)

I think the "melting pot" line of thought regarding immigration in the U.S. is outdated.

[Oleg Bach]

My last post was a scathing attack against elitist anglo saxons - well - I was just hoping that this group at this time in history would have a good look in the mirror - the banks - the car companies - the oil merchants are still primarly anglos. Having said that and understanding the incrimental secularization of the anglos and their abandonment of ancient Christian doctine, I see one problem. They have lost heart. During this Christmas season, I have been approached by Muslims - and Budists - atheists and Hindi - they all wished me a Merry Christmas and a "God bless you" - seems that so-called mulitculturalism and corporate secularization of society has not quite spread into these cultures who have managed to do what we have failed to do - too maintain CULTURE.

The anlgo seem mean spirited and the best you could get out of them as a politically correct and highly manipulative "Happy Holiday" - that most seemed to choke on during the utterance. Where as I see real warmth and sincerity and LOVE emulate from the immigrants..this I would say is a major problem - that the privledged typical white anglo has forgotten the idea of compassion - social benevolence and old fashion Christian logic and justice - even the young middle class anglos seem to carry themselves in a snooty aloof manner -as if they are the rulers. On the subway, I see Asian arrivals - cower in the presence of a large white man - that they believe are the masters in this secularist slave state called Canada.

We should learn something from our immigrant population - learn about mutual co-operation - were power is defined by who you and how many you empower - where as the rich anglos measure their power on how many they oppress and manipulate. Hate to say it but the old white elite - are now in the process of decay - they have lost the abilty to truely love - and as I said before - domination and oppression and the corresponding greed have enveloped and taken over this former Christian race . I just hope their is a healing wind this Christmas that reminds these that I mention - that - you must love and forgive and care for your fellow man...Christ was also called the "Son of Man" ..meaning genetically he was spawned from every human being that ever lived - that we are all part of the natural world -

when I see the homeless who are mostly white anglos - I think of how disloyal this elite has been to their own tribe - to the children and grandchildren the created the wealth and privledge that anglo Canada enjoy - to disgard the children of the slaves - the Irish - the Scotts and the lower class English - this is unforgivable - and I can say that the immigrant population has class and are to be admired and the Anglos - have failed - I pray for this group that they recover their former sense of the "principle of service" --- nobel means to be genersous - the merchants must learn how to show grace. For grace is the undeserved mercy of God - it is true class to behave in a manner where forgiveness and love is granted even to those not worthy - we need some noblity..and soon or all will fail - MERRY CHRISTMAS.

[Leafless]

I can say that the immigrant population has class and are to be admired and the Anglos - have failed - I pray for this group that they recover their former sense of the "principle of service" --- nobel means to be genersous - the merchants must learn how to show grace. For grace is the undeserved mercy of God - it is true class to behave in a manner where forgiveness and love is granted even to those not worthy - we need some noblity..and soon or all will fail - MERRY CHRISTMAS.

The Anglos have not failed although some succumbed to mental illness in which there is not enough resources in that area, or some who have contributed to their own demise or some that have been genuine victims of our existing undemocratic system in which there is no help, and God bless their souls.

Immigrants have walked into a FULLY ESTABLISHED modern country, at the full expense of the Anglos, with all kinds of benefits and subsidies and are not to be admired. The ones to be admired are the Anglos who have built this country from NOTHING with many who have succumbed to disease and poverty, with no benefits of any kind, resulting in death.

IMO, Canada is already a nearly unbearable, undemocratic State run society with no incentive for citizens to improve their lifestyles which will only result in further dependency on government resources.

Canada has failed miserably to function has a responsible democratic country and only exist in its present form by forcing open the wallets of Canadian citizens to support its undemocratic socialistic aspirations.

[bush_cheney2004]

I think the "melting pot" line of thought regarding immigration in the U.S. is outdated.

Agreed....the "melting pot" model has long been updated to more of a "salad bowel" or "gumbo". But some myths die hard.

[iForgot]

The Anglos have not failed although some succumbed to mental illness in which there is not enough resources in that area, or some who have contributed to their own demise or some that have been genuine victims of our existing undemocratic system in which there is no help, and God bless their souls.

Immigrants have walked into a FULLY ESTABLISHED modern country, at the full expense of the Anglos, with all kinds of benefits and subsidies and are not to be admired. The ones to be admired are the Anglos who have built this country from NOTHING with many who have succumbed to disease and poverty, with no benefits of any kind, resulting in death.

IMO, Canada is already a nearly unbearable, undemocratic State run society with no incentive for citizens to improve their lifestyles which will only result in further dependency on government resources.

Canada has failed miserably to function has a responsible democratic country and only exist in its present form by forcing open the wallets of Canadian citizens to support its undemocratic socialistic aspirations.

Did you vote deport all non-whites, Leafless..?

Edited February 26, 2008 by iForgot

[OneNoShine]

Leafless, what do you want me to do? I don't ask for special privledges because I'm a minority. I've assimilated into white culture, maybe not Canadian culture because many feel it does not exist beyond playing hockey and eating timbits, but I have assimilated to western culture. What else can I do? Would I warrant deportation simply for not being "tribal" or "looking like you"? Thats fine of course, if thats what the majority wants - it just saddens me that people would feel this way.

[Moxie]

Leafless, what do you want me to do? I don't ask for special privledges because I'm a minority. I've assimilated into white culture, maybe not Canadian culture because many feel it does not exist beyond playing hockey and eating timbits, but I have assimilated to western culture. What else can I do? Would I warrant deportation simply for not being "tribal" or "looking like you"? Thats fine of course, if thats what the majority wants - it just saddens me that people would feel this way.

You need not do anything, you are a Canadian of Indian origin be proud of your heritage as I am of my Scots/Native Heritage. As for white people, lets be honest we are all of mixed blood is anyone truely "Pure White" anymore???

[Leafless]

You need not do anything, you are a Canadian of Indian origin be proud of your heritage as I am of my Scots/Native Heritage. As for white people, lets be honest we are all of mixed blood is anyone truely "Pure White" anymore???

All this cultural confusion resulting in hatred, one form or another, was basically caused by Trudeau's official multiculturalism and the discriminating Charter that caters primarily to Quebec.

As a result this has allowed Canadian citizens to identify themselves according to their culture, language, race or plain immigrant status, rather than a common CANADIAN I.D.

I for one feel, if this is truly the name of the game, will not allow my White, English culture to be crumpled and discredited by other cultures without defending my rights.

If 'Official Languages' and 'Official Multiculturalism' was Trudeau's way of creating equality, he was totally wrong and as a result, has created a Pandora's box, allowing citizen's of Canada to culturally fight it out for top dog, while the government lays back and bask in the sun.

This of course is no way to run a country drastically lacks leadership and as a result the country will continue to decay at a rapid rate.

[charter.rights]

All this cultural confusion resulting in hatred, one form or another, was basically caused by Trudeau's official multiculturalism and the discriminating Charter that caters primarily to Quebec.

As a result this has allowed Canadian citizens to identify themselves according to their culture, language, race or plain immigrant status, rather than a common CANADIAN I.D.

I for one feel, if this is truly the name of the game, will not allow my White, English culture to be crumpled and discredited by other cultures without defending my rights.

If 'Official Languages' and 'Official Multiculturalism' was Trudeau's way of creating equality, he was totally wrong and as a result, has created a Pandora's box, allowing citizen's of Canada to culturally fight it out for top dog, while the government lays back and bask in the sun.

This of course is no way to run a country drastically lacks leadership and as a result the country will continue to decay at a rapid rate.

I hate to be the one to break it to ya but there is no such things as a unique (or common) CANADIAN I.D.. And the White English culture is nothing more than a myth of leftovers from a "not French" culture that white Anglos like to identify with. In reality even the English cultural ethic is a melting pot of all of the conquerers of England so true English culture is also a myth.

The "multicultural" movement was a right wing invention designed to minimize all immigrant minorities to one simple minority that could be pandered to by satisfying one small segment. Trudeau did make the Quebecois an equal partner (something English Canadians still struggle with) and entrenched equality for minorities on an equal footing as the English Canadian, thereby nullifying the multicultural model prescribed by the Cons.

In the truest sense Trudeau recognized the participation of immigrants in country building as official and by protecting their rights in the Charter started the beginning of the end of White male English rule in Canada. For the most part the implementation of equality parameters in the workplace have taken longer than even he envisioned but slowly the children of immigrants are taking over the management of large corporations. In Toronto, Canada's largest city we see the trend more clearly where now in 2007 the immigrants outnumber White English in the workforce. It is only a matter of time before the other Canadian cities meet the same standard so that the corporations are managed and run proportionately to the multicultural division in the populations.

There is no doubt that the power cadre that the White English once held is being dismantled by integration. And with reasonable accommodation being recognized as a valid tool, it is evident that multicultural people now have an advantage - protected by law. So I suggest that while you may sit in that very poor position as a White Male Canadian, you might consider the advantages that you have been able to enjoy as a result of your father's and family's advantages that once saw immigrants and aboriginal people as second class citizens.

We must never forget that despite the myths often held by White English Canadians, the country was neither populated nor built exclusively by ascendants of England. Immigrants are as much founders of Canada as any pur laine, or blue blood claiming authority.

[OneNoShine]

Leafless, if its not trouble can you please answer my question for you? Thanks..

Edited December 25, 2007 by OneNoShine

[Leafless]

Leafless, what do you want me to do? I don't ask for special privledges because I'm a minority. I've assimilated into white culture, maybe not Canadian culture because many feel it does not exist beyond playing hockey and eating timbits, but I have assimilated to western culture. What else can I do? Would I warrant deportation simply for not being "tribal" or "looking like you"? Thats fine of course, if thats what the majority wants - it just saddens me that people would feel this way.

It is the cultural burdens our federal government has saddled White English Canadians (official languages, official bilingualism, official multiculturalism and the Charter) resulting in a dysfunctional society that has created an abnormal society that spins on minority cultural demands resulting in outright discrimination against White English speaking Christian Canadians.

There is no real answer to this except to proclaim 'official multiculturalism' has failed and has caused societal decay with no real leadership.

You are merely a player and not the general cause of this decay which is in fact the fault of the federal government.

[Leafless]

I hate to be the one to break it to ya but there is no such things as a unique (or common) CANADIAN I.D..

Why then is the country called Canada and its citizens called Canadian?

Because they are immigrants or Chinese or Black?

In Canada we are Canadians with majority COMMON VALUES.

And the White English culture is nothing more than a myth of leftovers from a "not French" culture that white Anglos like to identify with.

What French culture?

Quebecers are lre the left overs of a defeatedf France.

In reality even the English cultural ethic is a melting pot of all of the conquerers of England so true English culture is also a myth.

Nobody is talking English cultural ethic but rather White English speaking Christians-OK.

The "multicultural" movement was a right wing invention designed to minimize all immigrant minorities to one simple minority that could be pandered to by satisfying one small segment.

No it was not.

Multiculturalism is a takeoff of biculturalism catering to Quebec and eventually moving to include immigrants.

Trudeau did make the Quebecois an equal partner (something English Canadians still struggle with) and entrenched equality for minorities on an equal footing as the English Canadian, thereby nullifying the multicultural model prescribed by the Cons.

Of course many English Canadians still don't accept this with it as it was a totally undemocratic movement by the Liberals and implemented slowly over a number of years making second class citizens out White English speaking Canadians who never had an opportunity to participate in a meaningful referendum to resolve this situation.

In the truest sense Trudeau recognized the participation of immigrants in country building as official and by protecting their rights in the Charter started the beginning of the end of White male English rule in Canada.

Do you actually understand what you are saying?

For the most part the implementation of equality parameters in the workplace have taken longer than even he envisioned but slowly the children of immigrants are taking over the management of large corporations.

Please provide proof to support your hallucinations.

In Toronto, Canada's largest city we see the trend more clearly where now in 2007 the immigrants outnumber White English in the workforce.

What does immigrant mean to you, Black, Brown, yellow? Obviously you have a preference for non-Whites and are biased.

This is a result of Liberals pandering to immigrants (for votes) and irresponsibly allowing them to settle in a few major cities rather then diversifying them to smaller cities in all parts of Canada.

It is only a matter of time before the other Canadian cities meet the same standard so that the corporations are managed and run proportionately to the multicultural division in the populations.

Dream on or provide a cite.

There is no doubt that the power cadre that the White English once held is being dismantled by integration. And with reasonable accommodation being recognized as a valid tool, it is evident that multicultural people now have an advantage - protected by law.

This is type of anti-White discrimination that makes the Charter a bad joke and unacceptable.

So I suggest that while you may sit in that very poor position as a White Male Canadian, you might consider the advantages that you have been able to enjoy as a result of your father's and family's advantages that once saw immigrants and aboriginal people as second class citizens.

Time will tell.

We must never forget that despite the myths often held by White English Canadians, the country was neither populated nor built exclusively by ascendants of England. Immigrants are as much founders of Canada as any pur laine, or blue blood claiming authority.

This country was built again by majority White, English speaking CANADIANS---if you can understand that.

[OneNoShine]

It is the cultural burdens our federal government has saddled White English Canadians (official languages, official bilingualism, official multiculturalism and the Charter) resulting in a dysfunctional society that has created an abnormal society that spins on minority cultural demands resulting in outright discrimination against White English speaking Christian Canadians.

There is no real answer to this except to proclaim 'official multiculturalism' has failed and has caused societal decay with no real leadership.

You are merely a player and not the general cause of this decay which is in fact the fault of the federal government.

Sorry, I'm not sure what exactly it is that is bothering you? The governments favoring of minorities and discrimination towards the white English Canadian or the mere presence of non-whites? If the government truly treated EVERYONE "equal" and immigration was controlled, would someone like me be a "threat" to white culture?

[M.Dancer]

---if you can understand that.

Example of unintentional irony....

[Leafless]

If the government truly treated EVERYONE "equal" and immigration was controlled, would someone like me be a "threat" to white culture?

Someone like you like you could very well be a threat to White English speaking culture since as soon as government introduces a form of cultural favouritism towards minority cultures it represents a serious discriminatory aspect against other cultures that are not represented on a cultural basis.

There is no magic formula to achieve equality among minority cultures or races, unless one discriminates to achieve it.

Doing this against the wishes of the population in general (no referendum) not only discriminates but could be seen as a traitorous action against the majority White population of Canada by its very own government.

[charter.rights]

Someone like you like you could very well be a threat to White English speaking culture since as soon as government introduces a form of cultural favouritism towards minority cultures it represents a serious discriminatory aspect against other cultures that are not represented on a cultural basis.

There is no magic formula to achieve equality among minority cultures or races, unless one discriminates to achieve it.

Doing this against the wishes of the population in general (no referendum) not only discriminates but could be seen as a traitorous action against the majority White population of Canada by its very own government.

There is no democratic choice in the enforcement of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Nor is the government exclusively responsible to you. Rather you are responsible to government.

Being a White male English minority in law is not discriminatory. It is merely a way of taking power away from you exclusively, removing the barriers that your ancestors set up and distributing that power to the rest of Canadians on a equal basis.

Perhaps you wouldn't mind presenting some background about yourself, Leafless? At first glance I would have you pegged at a 40's something white male stuck in a go nowhere middle-management job in a unsatisfactory job class, perhaps someone who has even been red-circled on a pay-equity process. If that is close to accurate it could explain your vitriol towards immigrants. However, I would suggest you might want to re-evaluate where your opposition is really coming from. If you can't compete on an equal basis then perhaps you aren't as important as you like to pretend to be?

[OneNoShine]

Someone like you like you could very well be a threat to White English speaking culture since as soon as government introduces a form of cultural favouritism towards minority cultures it represents a serious discriminatory aspect against other cultures that are not represented on a cultural basis.

There is no magic formula to achieve equality among minority cultures or races, unless one discriminates to achieve it.

Doing this against the wishes of the population in general (no referendum) not only discriminates but could be seen as a traitorous action against the majority White population of Canada by its very own government.

Right, but if there was no cultural favoritism then how am I a threat to you? Unless you want favoritism towards you because it was your ancestors who built this country.

Edited December 26, 2007 by OneNoShine

[Argus]

Being a White male English minority in law is not discriminatory. It is merely a way of taking power away from you exclusively, removing the barriers that your ancestors set up and distributing that power to the rest of Canadians on a equal basis.

Silliness. Hiring based on race or gender is discriminatory, period. The Left howled at the establishment when it preferred to hire White men, and yet it embraces the establishment if it prefers to hire Black women. There is a vast hypocrisy there. The only fair and sensible criteria for hiring and advancement is who is the best for the job. As for "removing the barriers" that's another bit of silliness. Most hiring criteria were quite sensible and not based on race or gender. For example, the physical tests for firefighters. Yet those tests have been drastically weakened because, of course, women generally did not perform as well in them as men, and Asian men being smaller, generally did not perform as well as White (and Black) men. Testing has been weakened for a variety of other public service positions, as well, and even that hasn't been enough - given most visible minorities are not Canadian born, and thus have poorer educations and communications skills - and so we have seen competitions directed specifically at visible minorities - excluding Whites altogether.

This is not "an equal basis", especially as few of the visible minority applicants or their applicants were ever discriminated against in the past since they weren't in this country to be discriminated against.

[charter.rights]

Silliness. Hiring based on race or gender is discriminatory, period. The Left howled at the establishment when it preferred to hire White men, and yet it embraces the establishment if it prefers to hire Black women. There is a vast hypocrisy there. The only fair and sensible criteria for hiring and advancement is who is the best for the job. As for "removing the barriers" that's another bit of silliness. Most hiring criteria were quite sensible and not based on race or gender. For example, the physical tests for firefighters. Yet those tests have been drastically weakened because, of course, women generally did not perform as well in them as men, and Asian men being smaller, generally did not perform as well as White (and Black) men. Testing has been weakened for a variety of other public service positions, as well, and even that hasn't been enough - given most visible minorities are not Canadian born, and thus have poorer educations and communications skills - and so we have seen competitions directed specifically at visible minorities - excluding Whites altogether.

This is not "an equal basis", especially as few of the visible minority applicants or their applicants were ever discriminated against in the past since they weren't in this country to be discriminated against.

I know that you don't "get it" but you make my point beautifully! Thanks! An example is always better than a description.....

[Leafless]

Right, but if there was no cultural favoritism then how am I a threat to you? Unless you want favoritism towards you because it was your ancestors who built this country.

You are, or never will be a threat to me.

When I speak of cultural favouritism I am talking about written government policies including the Charter that create this favouritism.

As far as I know there has never been written government policies that cater to the White English speaking Canadian.

It is government undemocratic cultural control that is the threat to me.

[guyser]

When I speak of cultural favouritism I am talking about written government policies including the Charter that create this favouritism.

Such as ............?

[Leafless]

There is no democratic choice in the enforcement of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Nor is the government exclusively responsible to you. Rather you are responsible to government.

I tend to strongly disagree with your communist inspired statement that supports State control over the natural evolvement of majority concerns.

Being a White male English minority in law is not discriminatory.

Of course it is.

Constitutional changes is the business of all Canadians to accept or reject such changes.

I would say a federal unilateral approach to changes in OUR constitution represents tratortism and is totally unacceptable in a democratic society.

It is merely a way of taking power away from you exclusively, removing the barriers that your ancestors set up and distributing that power to the rest of Canadians on a equal basis.

More communist propaganda.

Perhaps you wouldn't mind presenting some background about yourself, Leafless? At first glance I would have you pegged at a 40's something white male stuck in a go nowhere middle-management job in a unsatisfactory job class, perhaps someone who has even been red-circled on a pay-equity process. If that is close to accurate it could explain your vitriol towards immigrants. However, I would suggest you might want to re-evaluate where your opposition is really coming from. If you can't compete on an equal basis then perhaps you aren't as important as you like to pretend to be?

Sounds to me you are afraid to compete as an immigrant in a natural societal environment free from government cultural intervention.

In Canada, I think most Canadians have no problem with White English speaking immigrants.

It is obvious the chaotic cultural conditions in Canada are caused by non-Whites and a specific culture that refuses to be assimilated into the majority English language.

If you cannot cut it, please feel free to migrate elsewhere and stop screwing up Canada.

Your comments simply prove the level of federal White discrimination, have given you an imaginary level of confidence, to speak arrogantly against majority native White, English speaking Canadians.

[charter.rights]

I tend to strongly disagree with your communist inspired statement that supports State control over the natural evolvement of majority concerns.

Of course it is.

Constitutional changes is the business of all Canadians to accept or reject such changes.

I would say a federal unilateral approach to changes in OUR constitution represents tratortism and is totally unacceptable in a democratic society.

More communist propaganda.

Sounds to me you are afraid to compete as an immigrant in a natural societal environment free from government cultural intervention.

In Canada, I think most Canadians have no problem with White English speaking immigrants.

It is obvious the chaotic cultural conditions in Canada are caused by non-Whites and a specific culture that refuses to be assimilated into the majority English language.

If you cannot cut it, please feel free to migrate elsewhere and stop screwing up Canada.

Your comments simply prove the level of federal White discrimination, have given you an imaginary level of confidence, to speak arrogantly against majority native White, English speaking Canadians.

Oh you poor lad. I'm not an immigrant dude. I'm all clive and I'll bet my family goes way back further than your family line.

The problem with you "white" English speaking dudes is that you think you are all that when in reality you a a small segment of what makes a Canadian. In fact the Canadian mosaic has developed in this country in spite of narrow thinkers and those who claim blue blood privilege. The reality is that the majority of English that came here were poor and criminal and escaped Great Britain to bring their diseases, their criminal and violent minds and their poverty class society to this country.

I would suggest that barriers like you don't belong in management and you might do a whole lot better in the New World Order as a menial labourer, like your ancestors were. Rather those of us who stem from the more refined English society don't need the kind of piousness that you bring with your tirade on immigrants. You are a disgrace to the Monarchy that set out to colonize this country and dare I say I would consider you beneath the Natives if we were to compare intelligent and provocative thought. But that is just an opinion subject to dispute....

And BTW. If YOU don't like it here I suggest that you take a flight top Bosnia. I hear they are trying to achieve similar privileged lines and you might good mark.

Edited December 27, 2007 by charter.rights

[AngusThermopyle]

Oh you poor lad. I'm not an immigrant dude. I'm all clive and I'll bet my family goes way back further than your family line.

As soon as I see a statement along those lines I file it under the "I'm taking my ball and going home" category of statements. Does it really matter who's family has been in this country the longest? I know of people who's family line goes way back, and they're useless jerks. On the other hand I know of first gen people who contribute more to the country than the way back jerks ever could.

The whole last post was heavily laced with elitist bull. As for the coming from better bloodlines part of it, who cares? The whole idea of the "good bloodline" concept is archaic and somewhat pathetic. What your ancestors did or did not do has very little relevance on a day to day basis. What is far more important is what you do. Living in the past will only shackle you to the past and its antiquated notions.