capricorn Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 In Australia, nine men were found guilty of raping a 10 year old girl. All were given suspended sentences because the judge believes the child agreed to have sex with them. What kind of judge would take the view that a 10 year old child could take such a decision and use this reasoning to issue such light sentences? "Queensland Premier Anna Bligh has now announced a review of all sentences given over the last two years in the communities in the Cape York region where the case occurred. snip.... The offenders came from some of the most powerful and prominent Aboriginal families in Cape York, while the victim's family had a lower status, The Australian reported. The case comes six months after a high-profile inquiry into child sex abuse in remote northern Australia said it found problems in every Aborigine community visited by researchers." http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7136269.stm Kudos to Anna Bligh for her swift action to review all sentences in the Cape York region. If there is a systemic problem with justice in the aborigine community involved Australia needs to clean it up. While they're at it, the judges ruling on the cases should also come under scrutiny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carinthia Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 In the 80's there was a man in Canada who was given a light sentence for molesting a 3 year girl. The judge said there was evidence that the little girl had acted in a sexually provactive fashion. I remember the public outcry but I don't remember the final outcome. Another guy in Alberta was given a light sentence after he raped a 9 year old girl because he was drunk. It happens everywhere. Go figure! :angry: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kengs333 Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 And the judge is a female, no less. That's quite astonishing. Sadly we live in such a morally depraved world that such disgusting acts are committed all too regularly, but to have a "justice" system that is in itself depraved is most unfortunate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest American Woman Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 (edited) It's truly unbelievable!-- there aren't words strong enough to express my disbelief. All of the examples in this thread are beyond the pale. Makes one wonder where some people's heads are at. Edited December 11, 2007 by American Woman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moxie Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 It's truly unbelievable!-- there aren't words strong enough to express my disbelief. All of the examples in this thread are beyond the pale. Makes one wonder where some people's heads are at. If the victim is a female or a child the offender is usually treated with kid gloves, frankly I'm beginning to believe gender equality is just a smoke screen. The judges sentencing males to jail with lenient sentences sends the message that we aren't as important the perps rights. It's a global issue and the victims are repeatedly revictimized in the name of Justice, no such thing anymore for children and women. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sulaco Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 (edited) If the victim is a female or a child the offender is usually treated with kid gloves, frankly I'm beginning to believe gender equality is just a smoke screen. The judges sentencing males to jail with lenient sentences sends the message that we aren't as important the perps rights.It's a global issue and the victims are repeatedly revictimized in the name of Justice, no such thing anymore for children and women. On the other hand, in some US states statutory rape laws are so irrational as to brand nineteen year olds who have consensual sex with sixteen year olds lifetime sexual offenders. Two sides to every issue. Edited December 11, 2007 by Sulaco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capricorn Posted December 11, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 It's a global issue and the victims are repeatedly revictimized in the name of Justice, no such thing anymore for children and women. Speaking of re-victimization, this poor child had been gang raped previously in 2002 when she was 7 years old. Following the first rape she was put in foster care but the authorities returned to the same community afterward where she was raped again. Steve Carter, the senior legal officer involved has stepped aside. Its no wonder. Read his comments on the case. Mr Carter said the sex had been prearranged and the males had not forced themselves on the girl. "... they're very naughty for doing what they're doing but it's really, in this case, it was a form of childish experimentation, rather than one child being prevailed upon by another," he said. Mr Carter also told the court such incidents were not out of character in small, remote communities. " ... children, females, have got to be - deserve - the same protection under the law in an Aboriginal or an indigenous community as they do in any other community," Mr Carter said. "But sometimes things happen in a small community when children get together." http://news.theage.com.au/prosecutor-in-ga...71211-1g93.html Australia clearly needs to look at how their justice system treats the aborigines. There's also a lesson to be learned about the ramifications of removing a child from an abusive situation and returning that child to the same environment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusThermopyle Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 Australia clearly needs to look at how their justice system treats the aborigines. I had a girlfriend from Australia, she told me that these kinds of occurrences are actually common enough to be the norm on the Aboriginal reserves. They police themselves and in many cases don't do a damn thing about such acts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oleg Bach Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 I had a girlfriend from Australia, she told me that these kinds of occurrences are actually common enough to be the norm on the Aboriginal reserves. They police themselves and in many cases don't do a damn thing about such acts. Authorities allowing terror in the community is old hat - look at the way gang bangers are released these days - like I said - we are ruled by sadists - bored rich people - when a judge in Vancover tells the world that kiddy porn is art - then you know that the judge is a child rapist..sorry - but that's what I see - mayhem and confusion that is generated via vial acts seems encouraged and used as a form of control - and if it is NOT a conspiracy - then it means we have let the idiots take over - stupid people...I hope that is the case and not the former. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kengs333 Posted December 12, 2007 Report Share Posted December 12, 2007 If the victim is a female or a child the offender is usually treated with kid gloves, frankly I'm beginning to believe gender equality is just a smoke screen. The judges sentencing males to jail with lenient sentences sends the message that we aren't as important the perps rights.It's a global issue and the victims are repeatedly revictimized in the name of Justice, no such thing anymore for children and women. This is hardly the case. Each case is subject to a number of factors, and anyone who pays any attention to what the judicial system does will know that these sorts of nonsensical things go all ways. One can only wonder how many people--most people in jails are men--are in jail on wrongful convictions. And let's not forget that a man can be arrested and go to trial based simply on a woman's accusation of rape or abuse, and if she can weather the attack on her character during the trial, they guy is toast. Also, when women go to jail, they go to resorts where they live the high life like Karla did supposedly in order to facilitate their rehabilitation; meanwhile, men are caged like animals, which only makes them more likely to re-offend. There have been several cases where a boy has been assaulted by a female teacher and the judge in one even said something to the effect of "lucky you". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kengs333 Posted December 12, 2007 Report Share Posted December 12, 2007 Authorities allowing terror in the community is old hat - look at the way gang bangers are released these days - like I said - we are ruled by sadists - bored rich people - when a judge in Vancover tells the world that kiddy porn is art - then you know that the judge is a child rapist..sorry - but that's what I see - mayhem and confusion that is generated via vial acts seems encouraged and used as a form of control - and if it is NOT a conspiracy - then it means we have let the idiots take over - stupid people...I hope that is the case and not the former. Well, that's the kind of justice system we get when there is a collective moral breakdown in society. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted December 12, 2007 Report Share Posted December 12, 2007 QUOTE(Oleg Bach @ Dec 11 2007, 02:27 PM) Authorities allowing terror in the community is old hat - look at the way gang bangers are released these days - like I said - we are ruled by sadists - bored rich people - when a judge in Vancover tells the world that kiddy porn is art - then you know that the judge is a child rapist..sorry - but that's what I see - mayhem and confusion that is generated via vial acts seems encouraged and used as a form of control - and if it is NOT a conspiracy - then it means we have let the idiots take over - stupid people...I hope that is the case and not the former. Well, that's the kind of justice system we get when there is a collective moral breakdown in society. There is no moral breakdown and that depiction of our justice system is wrong in every sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drea Posted December 12, 2007 Report Share Posted December 12, 2007 (edited) IMO, the men that did this to this little girl should not be allowed to continue life as men. Rape a child-- become a eunic. To hell with "rehabilitation". I don't give a shit how old they were, they knew what they were doing. Edited December 12, 2007 by Drea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted December 12, 2007 Report Share Posted December 12, 2007 IMO, the men that did this to this little girl should not be allowed to continue life as men. Rape a woman -- become a eunic. To hell with "rehabilitation". I don't give a shit how old they were, they knew what they were doing. They werent men. From what I know they were kids, or juveniles. Now what? Anyone know the ages? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capricorn Posted December 12, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2007 They werent men. From what I know they were kids, or juveniles. Now what? Anyone know the ages? Geez guyser. There are a couple of linked articles in earlier posts here that give the ages of the rapists. Some were older some were younger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted December 12, 2007 Report Share Posted December 12, 2007 Geez guyser. There are a couple of linked articles in earlier posts here that give the ages of the rapists. Some were older some were younger. I read only one account and they said "minors" . So in effect they were still not men. She was only ten. I will go read and find out the ages......of course you could have told me. (s'alright tho) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capricorn Posted December 12, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2007 ......of course you could have told me. (s'alright tho) I read it but I couldn't remember. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carinthia Posted December 12, 2007 Report Share Posted December 12, 2007 I read it but I couldn't remember. Who cares how old they were? If they were old enough to have to sex and know what that's all about, then they were old enough to know that what they were doing was wrong. Rape is a crime of violence, sex is only the method in which to administer it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kengs333 Posted December 12, 2007 Report Share Posted December 12, 2007 There is no moral breakdown and that depiction of our justice system is wrong in every sense. Sure, when cops, lawyers, and judges are the very kind of people that perpetrate these kinds of crimes, there is. Sadly, too, the very kind of people who want these guys dealt with harshly in there own way contribute to the moral breakdown of our civilization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kengs333 Posted December 12, 2007 Report Share Posted December 12, 2007 Who cares how old they were? If they were old enough to have to sex and know what that's all about, then they were old enough to know that what they were doing was wrong. Rape is a crime of violence, sex is only the method in which to administer it. It does, actually. It's funny though how people mock what's written in the Bible about punishment, but the second something like this happens they want these people's dicks cut off. Hypocracy. The fact of the matter is that they still have to be treated as humans regardless of what they did; but they also need to be removed from society. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moxie Posted December 12, 2007 Report Share Posted December 12, 2007 Who cares how old they were? If they were old enough to have to sex and know what that's all about, then they were old enough to know that what they were doing was wrong. Rape is a crime of violence, sex is only the method in which to administer it. Bang on, they knew what they were doing was wrong. Little scum bags deserved at least five years in jail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted December 12, 2007 Report Share Posted December 12, 2007 Who cares how old they were? If they were old enough to have to sex and know what that's all about, then they were old enough to know that what they were doing was wrong. Rape is a crime of violence, sex is only the method in which to administer it. I do. Even for a dispicable act like this. As well, the justice system cares, the lawyers, the judge the crown.....they all care. Because if they are minors then that factors in the decisions against them. Six of the nine were minors , and will not have a record. (Do not agree) The three older ones had a suspended sentence, horrible miscarriage of justice. But judging from what I can gather, they should enjoy their freedom now, as it looks likely to come to an end. I only hope that girls gets all the help and attention she will need now and forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borg Posted December 12, 2007 Report Share Posted December 12, 2007 I do. Even for a dispicable act like this. Of course you do. After all a minor has no control over the difference between right and wrong. Fortunately most minor children of the world actually do know the difference between right and wrong. Apologists simply allow them to get away with more. Any excuse in a pinch I suppose. Borg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted December 12, 2007 Report Share Posted December 12, 2007 Of course you do. After all a minor has no control over the difference between right and wrong. Ahh, the old selective reading answer. Any reason why you left out "Because if they are minors then that factors in the decisions against them." , you know , other than it it wouldnt fit your little jab? Same as in this country Borg. Go ask your lawyer, he might be right in this case, Fortunately most minor children of the world actually do know the difference between right and wrong. Thankfully quite true. Apologists simply allow them to get away with more.Any excuse in a pinch I suppose. Borg Only your blatant disregard for the pertinent part of my post is why you can attempt to label me an apologist. DIdnt work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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