An example of "Diversity" crossing the moral line.

[Argus]

Today as in this very day, or in recent times ?

Brutality happens in lots of nations, some with tribal religion, some Christian, some not.

But to associate it with the holy books is incorrect.

I disagree. I don't think it's very difficult at all to associate the murder of women and homosexuals in the Muslim nations with their religious fanaticism.

[Argus]

Scott, you can't jump in at the end and change the context of what I was saying.

I was commenting on jefferiah's post.

You've been trying for years, but still haven't put together a convincing argument that Islam is a threat. And reading all of your posts together, it seems that your arguments spring from an inherent dislike of different cultures.

Doesn't a moral man have the right to dislike an immoral culture? Doesn't a man who admires peace have the right to dislike a violent culture? Doesn't a sophisticated man have the right to dislike a primitive culture?

[Drea]

Why is it so many radical lefties refuse to admit they're lefties? Is it shame? Do they, in their heart, realize how silly their ideological beliefs are? This is not something one sees much among the extreme right. They're not going to deny being right wing.

Because most of us who YOU considered lefties, consider ourselves CENTRISTS.

I hate the left.

They think everyone should get a big fat welfare cheque just for being alive, think we should all ride bicycles and eat tofu.

I hate the right.

They think we should all bow down to some sky daddy, think sex is only for procreation and want to control everything. Plus they like Bush.

I-AM-CENTRIST!

IMO all people are just fine (brown or otherwise) until they start shoving their ideology down my throat.

Don't agree with abortion? Don't have one.

Don't agree with homosexuality? Don't screw someone of your same sex.

Don't like women in bikini's? Don't go to the beach in July.

[Michael Hardner]

Comparisons between the Koran and Bible are pointless since the interpretations of the Bible have changed over the years while the interpretations of what the Koran says have not. In fact, it is illegal to change or even challenge the interpretations of the Koran in most Muslim nations. It is locked in medieval days and with a medieval mentality.

You would be hard pressed to find many Christians willing to embrace many of the violent instructions in the old testament, but you'd have no difficulty finding Muslims everywhere who wholeheartedly embrace the vicious violence of the Koran.

Do you think that the violent passages were translated IN to the Bible ?

As for the second part of your post, you've completed another circular argument.

It goes (and goes and goes and goes) like this:

Q What do you say makes Muslims more violent ?

A Their violent holy books !

Q What about the violence in other religions' holy books ?

A You don't see those other religions committing violence do you ?

So is the holy books that cause this violence, in your mind, or not ?

[Michael Hardner]

Arg,

Doesn't a moral man have the right to dislike an immoral culture? Doesn't a man who admires peace have the right to dislike a violent culture? Doesn't a sophisticated man have the right to dislike a primitive culture?

Scott has the right to like/dislike anything. He has the right to be emotional, and despite his continued calls for reason, his emotions drive his arguments.

I was trying to answer a point - specifically that a poster perceives Islam to be the most violence culture - when Scott leapt in to 'help'. He often does this - jumps in to assist the worst web posters that agree with his position.

[jefferiah]

The Koran also has directions on killing homosexuals - and they still carry them out.

Exactly my point. His one example of violence is one that is shared with Islam (harsh legal punishments), but this is not the only sort of violence encouraged. Warfare and conquest of the infidel are encouraged as well in the Koran. I am not so stupid as to think there are no Muslims who can ignore this. Of course there are. But to compare the scriptures of the three faiths, Islam is definitely more violent. Mohammed himself was the first Muslim raider and conqueror.

[Michael Hardner]

Jeff,

And what, exactly, does this give us in terms of useful information, that can be translated into policies and laws ?

[jefferiah]

Jeff,

And what, exactly, does this give us in terms of useful information, that can be translated into policies and laws ?

Who says it has to be translated into policies and law? This is the moral and religious issues subforum Mikey. Red Da Vinci claimed that the Bible was no different from the Koran. This is what I was originally responding to and then you responded to me. Nice try.

[Michael Hardner]

From 'About Us':

Maple Leaf Web is a non-profit, non-partisan Canadian political education web-site that aims to provide educators, students and the attentive public with a credible source for political education and information.

There's nothing mentioned therein about providing a forum to insult religions via specious arguments.

[Oleg Bach]

This is a prime example of the far leftest idiology being forced down "Everyone's" throat. I will provide a couple of links for blogs that broke this story. This isn't diversity training, forcing female students to answer questions on their sexuality is absurb. The program tought students that all European "White" people are racist blah blah. Communism is alive and well and spreading in Univerities these days, why for gawds sake. Socialism and Communism has resulted in the death of millions, only Islam rivels these twisted idiologies.

Story: University of Delaware President Patrick Harker is to be commended for pulling the plug on a program that turned the quest for tolerance and understanding upside down. A report from the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education showed that the university's residential life program made a mockery of intellectual freedom in the way it treated students living in its dormitories.

Students were subjected to what can only be called intimidation and indoctrination on the issues of race and sexual identity.

The foundation is in the business of exposing this kind of intolerance on campuses, so it might be accused of political bias. However, when students came forth to back up the claim, university officials were duty bound to end it. The newly installed president's immediate and forceful action ends what at best can be called a several-year-old, but seriously misguided effort.

Students from all backgrounds need to meet and learn about people who are different from themselves. Not only do they need to get along in the dorms, but that's what the world beyond the campus requires. That is not the same as trying to indoctrinate and pressure newly arrived freshmen into accepting reverse racial stereotypes and delving into sexual politics. At UD, students had been subjected to training that equates all white people with racists and urged to reveal their deepest sexual secrets either in public gatherings or to an official.

College spokesmen at furst downplayed the matter by claiming some lower-ranking officials went too far or that such meetings were not mandatory.

That's not what students said. Students were told the meetings were required. If they didn't show up, there were confrontations with residence officials or e-mails asking where they were.

That was not teaching tolerance. It was an abuse of power. Thankfully, it's gone.

Link: http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dl...26/1112/OPINION

More can be found at this blog: http://hotair.com/archives/2007/11/02/hot-...sor-speaks-out/

If you follow the links on the blog you will be able to read what the course tought, if it doesn't scare you put down the greatest works of Carl Marx and get out of the house.

Sound like Scientology meets the UN. Much like that abuse of power that the Universal Church exerts during confession - You tell the priest every last little thing about yourself - every sin...and the priest knows all....and YOU know nothing about the priest...I would say that puts a huge weight on the balance of power on some unelected institution. This reminds me of the sweet and calcualted attack on the family via the divorce industry...seperate the pair - allienate the offspring - discourage the extended family and you are as vulnerable as a baby deer...and ready to be utilized like a telephone pole. To call all whites racist is to say in no uncertain terms the the blue eyed blonde devils should be genocided - that whites are the bane of civilization - that there should be only one race of pale brown skinned humans...and the old UN utopian idea of eternal peace and heaven on earth can be realized...personally I am not leaving...and family is power...and every family has a right to empire.

[Moxie]

I disagree. I don't think it's very difficult at all to associate the murder of women and homosexuals in the Muslim nations with their religious fanaticism.

Argus you will love this debate, it's dubbed in English. The gentlemen is bang on about Islam, and he's Muslim.

Enjoy: http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/1600.htm