South Asians take over new hospital!

[mikedavid00]

"I won't lie. That (name) was a huge push for our campaign," said Ramandeep Grewal, a lawyer who is among those spearheading the Canadian Sikh Subcommittee.

They've recommended the new hospital offer Indian vegetarian meals, Punjabi and Hindi language translation and signage, larger family waiting areas, as well as expanded treatment areas for cardiac care, nephrology and diabetes, as these diseases are more prevalent among South Asians.

http://www.thestar.com/News/article/177806

(Article written by Prithi Yelaja. She got hired in the media for the sole reason she's ethnic and south asian. This was at the expensive of a Canadian. No serious jouranlist in this profession does this: http://www.journalism.ubc.ca/thunderbird/a...01/evenson.html

"After discovering that reporter Prithi Yelaja had plagiarized parts of a story from the Village Voice newspaper, the Star fully admitted what Yelaja had done"

Back to the topic, Basically what happened is that this:

-Hospital was in the planning stage for 20 years.

-The actual build started a few years back.

-The hospital cost $500 million to build.

-30% of the totals monies raised with through donations of various sorts.

-Sikhs raised $500,000 through a sold contributor and then joined then formed a South Asian comitee for the hospital planning stages.

-The Sikh commitee then marketed the name to get other Sikh's interested in a plot to take over the hospital and make it their own.

-They succeeded and now have a comitte.

The Sikhs contribute 0.5% of the total hospital and then get a special commitee, a council, and get the emergency dept named after the founder of their religion.

There were nurse complains that they were only hiring people who speak hindi and punjabi. This is from callers to the CBC and very well buried news stories.

The third world way of doing things are coming to Canada. People who are well to do are bribing their way into our gov't systems to exploit them for cultural reasons.

I wouldn't care if this was a private hospital, but this is our hospital. All of ours. It doesn't belong to them. A hospital should never be tailored to cultural desires. They rasied 0.5% of the total cost and are a fraction of the 30% raised by real fundraising efforts by everyone and have now through a minority of the city of Brampton, and through the fundraising dictated onto the majority.

South Asians have laid claim to the hospital both inside and outside of the facility. Here this morning CBC show. You honestly have to hear this to believe it. EVEN THE CBC HOST HAS TROUBLE WITH ALL THIS! She also gets caught in MANY lies on her interview.

New Hospital

Andy Barrie spoke with Ramandeep Grewal. She is on the hospital's board of directors and was involved in the fundraising.

Listen. (Runs 6:30)

[M.Dancer]

This is startling news.

At last a hospital that serves food that actually has a semblence of flavour.

A major medical milestone......

Their next programme is a vocational literacy for old canadians...I suggest you find it.

Through a radio-thon, a dinner, and individual donations, the Sikh community has raised $3.4 million toward its goal of $10 million over five years. The Ontario Federation of Hindu Temples pledged $2.5 million and the Muslim Friends, $1 million

Sikhs raised $500,000

The Sikhs contribute 0.5% of the total hospital ........--MDOO

Hospital will cost $550 Million, Sikh's will raise 10 million..do the math

[August1991]

They've recommended the new hospital offer Indian vegetarian meals, Punjabi and Hindi language translation and signage, larger family waiting areas, as well as expanded treatment areas for cardiac care, nephrology and diabetes, as these diseases are more prevalent among South Asians.

Who cares.

Kosher and Chinese meals are available on request at the time of admission or by informing the nursing unit administrator or dietitian. Kosher meals are prepared in the Kosher kitchen with strict adherence to Jewish dietary laws.

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Our Synagogue is located on the Main Floor, behind the Second Cup.

Our Spiritual Oasis is at the top of the Main Floor escalator and to the left, in Room 432.

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Mount Sinai Hospital has provided specialized services to meet the cultural and language needs of the Chinese community since 1973. We are proud to hold the distinction of being the first hospital in Toronto to work so closely with the Chinese community. Now, we are beginning to incorporate the needs of the Chinese community into our Internet initiatives.

This site (and the Chinese language version) incorporates the latest changes to the Chinese Patient Programs booklet that is available at the Hospital. As time goes on, we hope to add more information -- in Chinese -- to our Internet site.

Mount Sinai Hospital in Toronto

Many hospitals in Canada have a religious affiliation. Most hospitals in Quebec are named after a Catholic saint.

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Most hospitals, regardless of any affiliation, rely primarily on government money for financing of operating and capital expenses. I imagine that government money represents anywhere from 80% to 90% of their budgets.

How is this "Sikh" hospital any different?

Edited November 1, 2007 by August1991

[guyser]

I think mikey is sitting there in stunned disbelief that this is not going the way he wanted.

[Rue]

Well now. Is it not possible to make hospitals welcoming to all and provide qual access for all but also provide user friendly features if it has lots of people from a certain group? Can it not be both?

Its just a matter of balancing everything. I don't think what's being asked for is EXTREME as its being presented.

Hospitals always accommodate people's religions and cultures. There's no reason such accommodation should exclude others sim;ly because it acknowledges certain minorities. Its all in how you present it.

Look certain communities who will use a hospital will be very active getting their interests met. Instead of complaining show the same interest as them to get your own represented I say.

I am also not sure if the contribution in funding to this hospital is as small as its been presented nor is the population base of South East Asians who will use the hospital as small as its being presented either.

I agree since its not a private hospital, and its a public one, it has to guard against discrimination but I am not sure how simply accommodating one group necessarily means that discriminates against another. It may not at all. It could be the reaction to the accommodation is simply someone who doesn't like who is being accommodated, no more no less and so subjectively perceive it as unfair.

The idea a hospital should provide food to accommodate people's beliefs, I am not sure how that disciminates. If you don't want any curry don't eat it. Somehow I think by the time this hospital tries to cook with curry it will end up smelling and looking like green jello anyways.

[g_bambino]

Mount Sinai Hospital in Toronto

Many hospitals in Canada have a religious affiliation. Most hospitals in Quebec are named after a Catholic saint.

I thought about this as well. But, does Mount Sinai have signs in Hebrew?

[Higgly]

Welcome to Toronto! Go down to University Avenue and have a look at the various named hospital departments, wings, what have you? Ten million bucks ain't chump change, no matter what per cent it is of the whole. I'll bet it's enough to fund an emergency department. Let's face it - not a lot of real expensive diagnostic stuff - that's all over in radiology where the taxpayer foots the bill .

If there are discriminatory hiring practices, then I agree that is wrong. You don't want a guy for any other reason than he was the best you could afford at whatever the position called for. I would not use "call-ins to a CBC program" as definitive proof myself.

As for the meals and translation, where is the hospital located? In an area where there are a lot of Sikhs? You can walk into City Hall in Toronto (called Metro Hall) and get spoken to in damned near any language under the sun if you're willing to wait for them to locate the translator. I have no doubt you can get served in Chinese and a whole host of other languages in many Toronto hospitals. What's the problem?

Edited November 1, 2007 by Higgly

[Black Dog]

I think the real question is: how can we blame Muslims for this?

[Shakeyhands]

I think mikey is sitting there in stunned disbelief that this is not going the way he wanted.

Pretty sure he's used to it... he must be.

[mikedavid00]

Ten million bucks ain't chump change,

Stop spreading lies.

They did not raise 10 million. They raised a bit over 3 million.

They got the Emergency room name and Sikh panel at $500,000. 0.5% In total donations is a joke and the Sikh's are NOT a majority in Brampton. They are the 3rd largest religion in the area. They are a MINORITY peoples in the city of Brampton.

That hospital has to serve the whole Peel region up to hudson bay.

I don't know where this self hating sickness of you guys come from. You actually encourage the exploitatoin and corruptoin of our own hospitals by outsiders who do not identify themselves as Canadians, nor do they contribute at all or pay taxes for the most part in order to cover their medical expensise.

They lie on their papers, they get their sick ailing relatives over who can't speak English, are xenephobic, and COMPLETELY, 100%, RACIST to the bone, and the self haters here on the forum say good for them! Let them take over our hospitals and tailor make their own medical services to suit their south asian race.

The Sikhs who worked their way into that hospital and our immigration system are doing nothing but slapping you in the face and laughing at you.

The day we ever move to a work permit system, all this sht is going to end and me posting topics like this will be a thing of the past.

You guys are self haters becuase you like the feeling of being slapped accross the face. It's addictive to you. Just like a bad mother who constantly insults their children becuase they find a comfort in making sure their kids are hurt and turn out bad.

You have the same attitude towards our country.

[daniel]

...language translation and signage, larger family waiting areas, as well as expanded treatment areas for cardiac care, nephrology and diabetes...

It's nice to hear some good news for a change.

[ScottSA]

It's sad to see the trained monkeys applauding the demise of their own culture.

[Higgly]

Stop spreading lies.

They did not raise 10 million. They raised a bit over 3 million.

They got the Emergency room name and Sikh panel at $500,000. 0.5% In total donations is a joke and the Sikh's are NOT a majority in Brampton. They are the 3rd largest religion in the area. They are a MINORITY peoples in the city of Brampton.

That hospital has to serve the whole Peel region up to hudson bay.

I don't know where this self hating sickness of you guys come from. You actually encourage the exploitatoin and corruptoin of our own hospitals by outsiders who do not identify themselves as Canadians, nor do they contribute at all or pay taxes for the most part in order to cover their medical expensise.

They lie on their papers, they get their sick ailing relatives over who can't speak English, are xenephobic, and COMPLETELY, 100%, RACIST to the bone, and the self haters here on the forum say good for them! Let them take over our hospitals and tailor make their own medical services to suit their south asian race.

The Sikhs who worked their way into that hospital and our immigration system are doing nothing but slapping you in the face and laughing at you.

The day we ever move to a work permit system, all this sht is going to end and me posting topics like this will be a thing of the past.

You guys are self haters becuase you like the feeling of being slapped accross the face. It's addictive to you. Just like a bad mother who constantly insults their children becuase they find a comfort in making sure their kids are hurt and turn out bad.

You have the same attitude towards our country.

You need help.

Third largest religion in the area? That's not doing bad, by my books.

This is a hospital in Brampton that has to serve the Peel region all the way up to James Bay? You mean after they get past Ottawa, Sudbury, Thunder Bay, Barrie....

Self hating. No, I just think that "us" means more than a bunch of whitefaces.

[ScottSA]

You need help.

Third largest religion in the area? That's not doing bad, by my books.

Your books probably need adjusting. I suspect Judaism is about the third largest religion in Iran at the moment too, but it's hardly a significant minority.

[Higgly]

Your books probably need adjusting. I suspect Judaism is about the third largest religion in Iran at the moment too, but it's hardly a significant minority.

Wow. From Brampton to Iran in the wink of an eye. And you say my books need adjusting?

[Moxie]

The acid test for me will be: Will their culture be forced on the majority of patients that aren't South Asian (pist are they Hindu?) All hospitals represent the people and religion that surrounds them, this doesn't bother me however; if demands get made to subjugate and discrimate against females that would piss me off.

Just the stench of curry would have me gagging in the hallways, I can't stand the smell of that spice.

[mikedavid00]

The acid test for me will be: Will their culture be forced on the majority of patients that aren't South Asian (pist are they Hindu?)

Well what is going to happen is what is happening already in certain neighbourhoods.

That hospital will be known as the 'brown hospital' and everyone else will stay away because they have taken it over. You wouldn't want to go there because of the poor staffing and poor quality of care. Just like you don't want to move into a neighbourhood with these people because you will bare whitness to them in packs of 8 walking in the middle of the street while their indian outfits blow in the wind and they litter all over the place.

10 minivans in each driveay, 2 families per address. These neighbourhoods were not meant to be lived in this way.

People aren't going to want to go to a tax vacuum that has signs, staff, and food of other cultures.

Look at it for what it is, a race and culture for the first time is attempting to take over a Canadian hospital.

[guyser]

Poor poor mikey...the scarey scarey of the right. Perhaps you are being deliberately misleading here?

Well what is going to happen is what is happening already in certain neighbourhoods.

That hospital will be known as the 'brown hospital' and everyone else will stay away because they have taken it over.

Actually it will be known as part of the William Osler Health Centres , which I a sure is a punjabi or sikh name . And the true name is Brampton Civic Hospital.

Yes I too am so scared of people with the name of , Robert A Richards -president and Duncan Glaholt- Chair of the Board.

You wouldn't want to go there because of the poor staffing and poor quality of care.

And just how the F do you know this? It opened Oct 28th.

In other words, you don t know squat. But we knew that.

Just like you don't want to move into a neighbourhood with these people because you will bare whitness to them in packs of 8 walking in the middle of the street while their indian outfits blow in the wind and they litter all over the place.

Jeebus dude, "bare whitness ? DId you and queenie go to the same school for "loosers?"

You talk about brownies and whitness.....make up your mind about the colour palette will ya?

Look at it for what it is, a race and culture for the first time is attempting to take over a Canadian hospital.

Ha ha ha...you are funny. Not really but you know, like in a Joe Pesci kind of way.

I don't know where this self hating sickness of you guys come from. You actually encourage the exploitatoin and corruptoin of our own hospitals by outsiders who do not identify themselves as Canadians, nor do they contribute at all or pay taxes for the most part in order to cover their medical expensise.

There is no sickness mikeyD. Well not for most of the people in this country. But for those that make stupid silly arguements like these people are outsiders, when in fact they live here, is all we need to know about your sickness. Allergic to education I take it?

They lie on their papers, they get their sick ailing relatives over who can't speak English, are xenephobic, and COMPLETELY, 100%, RACIST to the bone, and the self haters here on the forum say good for them! Let them take over our hospitals and tailor make their own medical services to suit their south asian race.

Pure bs and you know it. Proven ad naseum how that does not happen on a routine basis. Cant get here by being sick without extraordinary reasons. But keep telling yourself the lies .

The "racist to the bone" is particularly rich. The lies and spouting of racism is purely yours mikeyD. Purely yours , and frankly it is becoming a real pain to read about.

I could of course ask about a citation for your folly. But you would only reply....

1)Its raining- I cant

2)I back all my messages but cant find that one right now.

3) takes too long (which means I cant defend but will delay til you forget)

4)the brownies stole my 'puter

5) Flavour Flav Baby! Its on right now.

[ScottSA]

QUOTE(ScottSA @ Nov 1 2007, 02:18 PM)

Your books probably need adjusting. I suspect Judaism is about the third largest religion in Iran at the moment too, but it's hardly a significant minority.

Wow. From Brampton to Iran in the wink of an eye. And you say my books need adjusting?

Wow, I guess more than your books require adjusting. See, the trouble with playing dumb is that...well, it makes you look even dumber. It may salvage whatever shreds of dignity you manage to escape with when your point is shown to be entirely specious, but it's kind of like Basil Fawlty getting caught in one of his situations, and instead of just admitting that he's wrong, running with it until he looks ridiculous.

[Higgly]

Wow, I guess more than your books require adjusting. See, the trouble with playing dumb is that...well, it makes you look even dumber. It may salvage whatever shreds of dignity you manage to escape with when your point is shown to be entirely specious, but it's kind of like Basil Fawlty getting caught in one of his situations, and instead of just admitting that he's wrong, running with it until he looks ridiculous.

I'd say specious would be comparing Jews in Iran to Sikhs in Brampton. In fact, I'd say it defines the word.

Once again ScottSA launches into personal attack mode rather than addressing the thread topic..

[Higgly]

Just the stench of curry would have me gagging in the hallways, I can't stand the smell of that spice.

That hospital will be known as the 'brown hospital' and everyone else will stay away because they have taken it over. You wouldn't want to go there because of the poor staffing and poor quality of care. Just like you don't want to move into a neighbourhood with these people because you will bare whitness to them in packs of 8 walking in the middle of the street while their indian outfits blow in the wind and they litter all over the place.

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Look at it for what it is, a race and culture for the first time is attempting to take over a Canadian hospital.

I know what you mean, look at Mount Sinai. What with all the bubbies and latkes, people are staying away in droves.

You guys are aware that hospitals are required by law to comply to Ministry standards in all provinces? Reflect on that; you will be able to ease your troubled minds.

I can see you driving miles out of your way so that in the case of an accident, this hospital would never be the quickest drive for an ambulance.

I can see it now. "Oh God, it was awful! One moment I'm bombing down the road and the next thing I know I wake up with this big brown face staring down at me saying 'Welcome to Guru Nanak emergency! We be taking good care!'. I tell ya boys, I could smell the curry!"

The horror. The horror.

Edited November 2, 2007 by Higgly

[daniel]

It's no co-incidence that Canada has been consistently listed amongst the top ten countries in which to live.

Let's hope this continues and we'll get back to number 1 as we were back in 1999.

[M.Dancer]

As for the meals and translation, where is the hospital located?

Close enough that if we need planned care we can request that hospital. You know what's tragic? Any hospital that has a fast food outlet )Hello Sick Kids?) has more people eating junk food than the food designed by the hospital nutritionist. Now there is a reason for that. When they remove all the bad stuff from the kidney pies and kippers, black pudding and eggs, the remove all the flavour too.....

I'm willing to bet no nutritionist in the world can remove the flavour from a sag gosh or a Madras cauliflower.....

[M.Dancer]

Just the stench of curry would have me gagging in the hallways, I can't stand the smell of that spice.

So sad, too bad......Perhaps you are young enough that you have time to cultivate your palate....otherwise learn to live with the bland narrow life......

[M.Dancer]

See, the trouble with playing dumb is that...well, it makes you look even dumber.

He has a point....this has bugger all to do with Iran and everything to do with Canada....true, not the Canada that plays dumb or is dumb.......