Anti-Islamisation: Europe

[ScottSA]

Yeah, yeah, I know...they're all just rednecks and "bigots." The trouble is that they all seem to have those strings of letters and such after their names...must make it hard to get in an' out of dodge pickups without slamming them in the door...

EUROPEAN ORGANIZATIONS GATHER IN BRUSSELS TO ORGANIZE RESISTANCE TO ISLAMIZATION AND SHARIAH

The following is the press release from The Center for Vigilant Freedom.

Vigilant Freedom Europa

PO Box 580

Wakefield WF1 9FR

United Kingdom

http://www.vigilantfreedom.org/910blog

http://www.vigilantfreedom.org/910forum

October 19, 2007

FOR MORE INFORMATION:

Ann Marchini

0044.788.75.64.825

On October 18 and 19, over 70 organizations and individuals joined together in the European and Flemish Parliaments to create a European network of activists from 14 nations to resist the increasing Islamisation of their countries. Keynote speakers included Bat Ye’or, author of Eurabia and Dhimmitude and Robert Spencer, author of Religion of Peace, Why Christianity is and Islam Isn’t. Additional speakers included David Littman, Dr. Arieh Eldad, member of the Israeli Knesset, Dr. Patrick Sookhdeo, Director of the Institute for the Study of Islam and Christianity, Sam Solomon, Director of Fellowship of Faith for Muslims and author of the Charter of Muslim Understanding, Dr. Marc Cogen, Ghent University, Dr. Andrew Bostom, author of The Legacy of Islamic Antisemitism, and Laurent Artur du Plessis, author of a forthcoming book on shariah finance. Many participants worldwide also attended the first day of presentations online through webex conferencing...

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[Guest trex]

Yes, you too shall soon wear a turban.

[ScottSA]

Yes, you too shall soon wear a turban.

When they pry it on my cold dead head.

[Michael Hardner]

When they pry it on my cold dead head.

No need to pry. We'll find one that fits. I will personally see to it.

[Moxie]

Did the Socialist pin heads Leaders think that Europian society wouldn't notice them killing their culture in the name of Multiculture and Mass Immigration?

I have no idea if this is factual but it appears the leaders in Europe made a secret pact to Islamify Europe.

Link to full article: http://balder.org/avisartikler/Barcelona-D...ean-English.php

Snippet: Secret European Union-agreements with 10 European and North African Countries

Abstract from the Barcelona - Euro Mediterranean Declaration of 1995:

The Euro Mediterranean Declaration was agreed upon by the EU, Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt, Jordan, the Palestinian Authority, Syria, Lebanon, Turkey and Israel and comprises:

Comprehensive political partnership, among other things about:

[Rue]

Link to full article: http://balder.org/avisartikler/Barcelona-D...ean-English.php

Snippet: Secret European Union-agreements with 10 European and North African Countries

Trace back the article to the organization that published it. Woopsy. Not only is it not based on facts but gosh golly, its from an organization that shall we say has problems with anyone that it doesn't approve of.

See the problem with these things is, they usually lead back to the same old skinheads feeling threatened by change.

[Rue]

I am inclined to believe the underlying issue to all this is testosterone.

Now I ask people, is it easier to write someone off as an enemy rather than see them as a potential ally? Probably, but only if you do not have the confidence in yourself to be able to reach out to what you think is the enemy and charm them instead of shoot them.

Me I can be a charming son of a bitch. Never met a woman I could not charm including Muslim women. Now men on the other hand, well all I can say is there is a reason for the one space rule (for you woman who do not know, that is the universal rule where when men go into a public bathroom, we are to leave at least one urinal between us and the next pisser whenever possible and we keep our eyes down and do not smile or carry on conversations).

All we men when it comes down to it are savages with one another. All this alpha male stuff. We men are like baboons. The ones with the biggest most inflamed red butt tend to be the leaders. Its how we show our prowess.

What can I say. I did not make the rules of Baboonery. Now excuse me I must go sneer at a hyena.

[Moxie]

Trace back the article to the organization that published it. Woopsy. Not only is it not based on facts but gosh golly, its from an organization that shall we say has problems with anyone that it doesn't approve of.

See the problem with these things is, they usually lead back to the same old skinheads feeling threatened by change.

Nope I don't agree, in fact the PM admited in an email what their goal was Quote: The goal of establishing a free-trade area implies that the southern members of the cooperation can obtain gradual integration into the expanded European internal market and the possibility of ultimately reaching the EUs four fundamental freedoms: free movement of goods, services, capital and people - in exchange for tangible political and economic reforms.

Sounds like Liberal Propaganda, visa vie culling the host's culture in the guise of a trade agreement. When did mass immigration become part of "Trade Deals". As for skin heads, nope again your opinion sadly the Liberal Left think any opinion that doesn't mirror theirs is racists. Sad sacks. If Canada was being assulted by Islamist as Eurabia is I'd join a Canadian version of this group to save our culture.

[Higgly]

Interesting that you can do this sort of thing regarding Moslems but if you were to do it regarding another identifiable religious group or race, you'd be in big trouble. So Moxie, been to Markham lately? Whatever are we going to do about the yellow horde?

Also interesting to note how many of those listed in the original post are Israelis.

Certainly there are some extravagant references to turbans here. In fact turbans are mostly worn in South Asia. But why quibble over details?

Oh, and Moxie. That would be European society rather than Europian society, would it not? As long as you have your turban wrapped right, I suppose....

[JB Globe]

Keynote speakers included Bat Ye’or, author of Eurabia and Dhimmitude and Robert Spencer, author of Religion of Peace, Why Christianity is and Islam Isn’t. Additional speakers included David Littman, Dr. Arieh Eldad, member of the Israeli Knesset, Dr. Patrick Sookhdeo, Director of the Institute for the Study of Islam and Christianity, Sam Solomon, Director of Fellowship of Faith for Muslims and author of the Charter of Muslim Understanding, Dr. Marc Cogen, Ghent University, Dr. Andrew Bostom, author of The Legacy of Islamic Antisemitism, and Laurent Artur du Plessis, author of a forthcoming book on shariah finance. Many participants worldwide also attended the first day of presentations online through webex conferencing...

Wow, what a great conference! The guestlist reads like a who's who of blatantly prejudiced and woefully underqualified commentators on Islam!

- Come see Bat "Muslims have a history of oppressing Jews, but Christians don't" Ye'or!

- Come see Arieh "I've got a realistic peace plan! We'll create a state for the Palestinians to our liking, why wouldn't it work?!" Eldad

- Robert "If I wrote an amatuerish book like this about Judaism, the world would call it anti-semetic" Spencer

- Patrick "Stand up for democratic freedom! Ban the Qu'ran!" Sookhdeo

- Sam "Islam is the devil!" Solomon

- Dr. Andrew "I didn't know anything about Islam before 9/11, then I decided to find out in a purely unbiased fashion who are all these people were who were trying to kill me?" Bostom

I mean, if they wanted to upstage the Iranian regime's Holocaust denial conference in terms of sheer stupidity, they were a few months too late.

Since when do you need to dredge the bottom of the intellectual food chain if you want to find someone who's against Sharia Law? Why go to a hack like Spencer when you have the Canadian Muslim Congress, for example? Oh wait, I forgot the CMC doesn't think Islam in its entirety is evil and and enemy of Western civilization . . . Spencer does.

These jokers are just using the guise of "the campaign against Sharia Law" which is legit, as a mask to hide their bigotry.

Edited October 22, 2007 by JB Globe

[DogOnPorch]

Oh, shush...

Stuff like this made a lot of people sit up and notice that perhaps they weren't ALL peaceful...and they were not all over in the Middle-East. Not to mention the so-called moderates didn't really care all that much what these dumb-asses did in the name of Islam.

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Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends.

---Surah 4:126

[JB Globe]

Oh, shush...Stuff like this made a lot of people sit up and notice that perhaps they weren't ALL peaceful

So you could care less about the bigotry, so long as these hacks contribute something useful towards a cause you're interested in?

Myself, I would never associate with anyone who advocates hatred no matter how influencial, or usefull they might be to any cause I'm down with. I think it actually ends up hurting the movement to be associated with radicals and disgusting human beings which turn off mainstream society and thus hurt the movement as a whole.

Actually, come to think of it - keep parading these guys around, it'll do nothing but damage this movement for a global war on all Muslims for being Muslims. Self-destruction would certainly save the rest of us a lot of time and money.

[DogOnPorch]

What's with all this 'so you're saying' crap? It's a tired tactic to make black appear white...up appear down.

I said what I said...it doesn't need your interpretation.

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Edited October 22, 2007 by DogOnPorch

[ScottSA]

I must say, we've had everything from ad hominem to to streetcorner psychology to anti-semetic sneering to the usual cries of "bigotry," but not one comment about the actual conference. Does it not strike any of you lefties that this isn't a gaggle of rednecks but a distinguished group of academics and writers as well as 70 organizations from all over the world? How long are you going to keep your head firmly buried in the sand? Until someone comes along and lops it of while screaming "Allahu Akbar?"

[JB Globe]

Does it not strike any of you lefties that this isn't a gaggle of rednecks but a distinguished group of academics and writers as well as 70 organizations from all over the world?

The thing is, this is the same thing that folks who were down with the Holocaust conference in Iran said about it - "There's distinguished academics coming!" which really meant: "Some of the people speaking may have at some time taught at some community college somewhere"

I mean, most of the folks you listed either aren't academics at all, have degrees in fields completely unrelated to the study of Islam (ie - Andrew Bostom is a medical doctor - if you're gonna trust his views on Islam, than I've got a stuffy-old polisci prof waiting to do open-heart surgery in case you need it).

Conferences like these happen all the time - they're a great way to make some dough and make it seem as though "the word is getting out" when in fact it's just preaching to the choir. Everyone at this gig are far, far right-wing anti-Islamist hacks, and the people who are interested in this scene are from the same camp.

It's the far-right version of those far-left conferences you'd see on campus every now and then advertising some blow-hard old-school socialist academic who's only ever quoted by other blow-hard socialists and will be speaking to a bunch of rich, spoiled 19-year olds who want to feign radicalism in some sort of post-teen angst before they put on a suit and tie and start working in a Fortune 500 company.

This kind of stuff happens across the political spectrum - people seeking out those who are saying what they want to hear, rather than seeking out those who have an extensive level of understanding on the subject. And as a result, no one learns a damn thing.

How long are you going to keep your head firmly buried in the sand? Until someone comes along and lops it of while screaming "Allahu Akbar?"

How cute! You're so sensational!

The threat of Islamic extremism in Canada is real, it needs to be dealt with in a rational, calm and informed manner. Meaning - this Chicken-Little routine is way over the top.

Just because the rest of us aren't fearful and distrustful of the majority of Canadian Muslims doesn't mean that all of us (Canadian Muslims included) aren't concerned about the potential of Islamic extremism in Canada. We just are dealing with the problem in a much more pragmatic, calm, and sensitive manner (and, dare I say it, makes this method more Canadian) than you would like.

This "Islam is the enemy!" approach actually compounds the problem because it POLARIZES people, and functions as a self-fulfilling prophecy. The unrest in Amsterdam and riots in France were set against the backdrop of the economic and social marginalization of African and Muslim youth in both countries. Treating all Muslims as the enemy increasingly marginalizes them, which increases their anger towards mainstream society and increases the likelihood of violence, as well as gives extremists a pool of their favourite canon-fodder - angry young Muslim men.

Turning would-be allies against extremism into your enemies simply because they're Muslim is a sure fire way to magnify the problem, not solve it.

[ScottSA]

Whatever. Spare me the ad hominem. But just so you know..."things like this" do not occur all the time. Nor are these people who once taught at a community college. Nor do 70 global organizations, some quite large, suddenly appear from nowhere. I seriously doubt you've ever been inside academia, since you show such a profound lack of understanding of the scope of this thing, or its implications. "Happens all the time" indeed.

[Peter F]

Whatever. Spare me the ad hominem. But just so you know..."things like this" do not occur all the time. Nor are these people who once taught at a community college. Nor do 70 global organizations, some quite large, suddenly appear from nowhere. I seriously doubt you've ever been inside academia, since you show such a profound lack of understanding of the scope of this thing, or its implications. "Happens all the time" indeed.

hmmm...I see there is also a representative from Canada. Who is he/she and how was she selected?

[Rue]

Nope I don't agree, in fact the PM admited in an email what their goal was Quote: The goal of establishing a free-trade area implies that the southern members of the cooperation can obtain gradual integration into the expanded European internal market and the possibility of ultimately reaching the EUs four fundamental freedoms: free movement of goods, services, capital and people - in exchange for tangible political and economic reforms.

Sounds like Liberal Propaganda, visa vie culling the host's culture in the guise of a trade agreement. When did mass immigration become part of "Trade Deals". As for skin heads, nope again your opinion sadly the Liberal Left think any opinion that doesn't mirror theirs is racists. Sad sacks. If Canada was being assulted by Islamist as Eurabia is I'd join a Canadian version of this group to save our culture.

Please trace it back. Its anything but Liberal! Lol. And by the way don't label me a Liberal. You have no idea what my cultural believes are. In fact in this case they would be classic conservative not liberal. If you want to throw Burke and Bentham around, find out what they mean before you assume which one's theory I would be more inclined follow with the above scenario.

No you can't label me Liberal because I challenge any exercise that makes negative generalizations about an identifiable group of people and demonizes them. It has nothing to do with conservatism or liberalism.

[Rue]

Nope I don't agree, in fact the PM admited in an email what their goal was Quote: The goal of establishing a free-trade area implies that the southern members of the cooperation can obtain gradual integration into the expanded European internal market and the possibility of ultimately reaching the EUs four fundamental freedoms: free movement of goods, services, capital and people - in exchange for tangible political and economic reforms.

Why did you selectively ignore all the anti Muslim references and the agenda to rid Europe of Muslims?

See if you want to target a people, demonize them, and expel them, have the balls to stop hiding behind couched words to something else, and admit what it is you are agreeing with.

[Rue]

hmmm...I see there is also a representative from Canada. Who is he/she and how was she selected?

Hmmm I think they do it by hair cut style.

The old bangs to one side will do it or a shaved head but mind you that head better be pink.

[Peter F]

Hmmm I think they do it by hair cut style.

The old bangs to one side will do it or a shaved head but mind you that head better be pink.

or maybe he's the one who bought the airplane ticket?

[ScottSA]

I see the usual suspects have nothing but mockery and ad hominem to offer...now, if we can inject some much needed humour into the lame attempts at funnies, we;ll be off to the races.

Edited October 24, 2007 by ScottSA

[Black Dog]

I see the usual suspects have nothing but mockery and ad hominem to offer...now, if we can inject some much needed humour into the lame attempts at funnies, we;ll be off to the races.

You opened the thread with a blog post by somebody calling themselves “Dymphna†(presumably after the patron saint of crazy people), about an organization with the totally unassuming and not at all grandiose name “The Centre for Vigilant Freedomâ€: I have no idea how things are supposed to get funnier than that. Actually I do: “Fijordmanâ€. Remarkable bird, the Norwegian Blue, idn'it, ay? Beautiful plumage!

[JB Globe]

I seriously doubt you've ever been inside academia

Well hell, if you think so, it must be true.