sharkman Posted October 10, 2007 Report Posted October 10, 2007 I totally disagree. I don't want any political party keeping a database on me that I have not consented to. If I can get you on a NDP list just by telling them you are say...a victim of crime and they send you mail on gun control, I think that is a violation of your privacy as they have no business knowing that information or soliciting you based on that information. I don't think friends or family have a right to give your private information away without consent.I don't want political parties to give my data to the media. I don't want them to give it to a polling company. I think it wrong and can be abused at any time. The bottom line is, no matter how you or anyone feels about this, it is not illegal. It may disappoint or annoy some, but so what. Political parties have been doing that since they've been around. Life isn't fair, so why don't you get on the net and start a whine session over it. Nothing will change, but you may feel you've stuck it to the man. Quote
jdobbin Posted October 10, 2007 Author Report Posted October 10, 2007 The bottom line is, no matter how you or anyone feels about this, it is not illegal. It may disappoint or annoy some, but so what. Political parties have been doing that since they've been around. Life isn't fair, so why don't you get on the net and start a whine session over it. Nothing will change, but you may feel you've stuck it to the man. I'm not sure how you arrived at that legal opinion. I disagree that it is not violation of the Privacy Act. We'll see if any of the recipients of the mail file a complaint. Quote
jbg Posted October 10, 2007 Report Posted October 10, 2007 I'm not sure how you arrived at that legal opinion. I disagree that it is not violation of the Privacy Act. We'll see if any of the recipients of the mail file a complaint.I would hope that most people have better things to do than file frivilous lawsuits. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jdobbin Posted October 10, 2007 Author Report Posted October 10, 2007 I would hope that most people have better things to do than file frivilous lawsuits. I guess we can leave that up to the courts. Quote
Michael Bluth Posted October 10, 2007 Report Posted October 10, 2007 I would hope that most people have better things to do than file frivilous lawsuits. Kinda like I hope most people would have better things to do than start blatantly misleading threads that strongly hint at CPC anti-semitism without the slightest regard for decency. Most people do. But it just takes a few rotten apples to spoil the barrel. Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
ScottSA Posted October 10, 2007 Report Posted October 10, 2007 Perhaps the next thread Dobbin starts will be something along the lines of "Conservatives make plans to put soldiers in the streets. Really. I'm not making this up." Oh wait, been there, done that, and I'm still waiting for the soldiers. I hope there's room for them now that we have the trucks and trains running to secret "camps" in the North Woods. Quote
jdobbin Posted October 10, 2007 Author Report Posted October 10, 2007 Perhaps the next thread Dobbin starts will be something along the lines of "Conservatives make plans to put soldiers in the streets. Really. I'm not making this up." Oh wait, been there, done that, and I'm still waiting for the soldiers. I hope there's room for them now that we have the trucks and trains running to secret "camps" in the North Woods. Hillier put the kibosh on that plan in the end. I certainly thought that the proposed ad for that was as stupid as it comes. However, I don't think gathering information based on friends and relatives tell you is public domain. It is a violation of privacy and no political party should be gathering that type of information. Quote
Michael Bluth Posted October 10, 2007 Report Posted October 10, 2007 Perhaps the next thread Dobbin starts will be something along the lines of "Conservatives make plans to put soldiers in the streets. Really. I'm not making this up." Oh wait, been there, done that, and I'm still waiting for the soldiers. I hope there's room for them now that we have the trucks and trains running to secret "camps" in the North Woods. It is quite sad. A blatant mischaracterization cost the Liberals the last election. So how does a self-identified Liberal respond? An even more blatant mischaracterization. I'm not quite sure what the thought process is. But I guess that's the best they can come up with... Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
jbg Posted October 10, 2007 Report Posted October 10, 2007 Perhaps the next thread Dobbin starts will be something along the lines of "Conservatives make plans to put soldiers in the streets. Really. I'm not making this up." Oh wait, been there, done that, and I'm still waiting for the soldiers. I hope there's room for them now that we have the trucks and trains running to secret "camps" in the North Woods. Choose your Canada!!! Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Shakeyhands Posted October 10, 2007 Report Posted October 10, 2007 Bluth, I really don't see this as an attempt at portraying the CPC as anti-semetic? Please explain to me how you are making this charge. At the end of the day IMO, its about abusing collected information contrary to the Privacy Act. And you don"t see an issue with that? Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
jdobbin Posted October 10, 2007 Author Report Posted October 10, 2007 (edited) I really don't see this as an attempt at portraying the CPC as anti-semetic?At the end of the day IMO, its about abusing collected information contrary to the Privacy Act. And you don"t see an issue with that? I have no idea how that claim could be made. The Conservatives are not keeping hate lists. They are creating profiles based on religion to curry favour with those groups. It is the compiling of these lists without consent in violation of people's privacy that is at issue; something no political party should do. Edited October 10, 2007 by jdobbin Quote
jbg Posted October 10, 2007 Report Posted October 10, 2007 It is the compiling of these lists without consent in violation of people's privacy that is at issue; something no political party should do.The key is in how the lists are being compiled. I might have a problem, for example, if my Temple Men's Club provided a membership list to a political party, or for that matter a life insurance salesman. I would not have a problem if someone, seeing my (Jewish) last name in a phone directory, correctly assumed that I was Jewish. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Canuck E Stan Posted October 10, 2007 Report Posted October 10, 2007 I have no idea how that claim could be made. The Conservatives are not keeping hate lists. They are creating profiles based on religion to curry favour with those groups. It is the compiling of these lists without consent in violation of people's privacy that is at issue; something no political party should do. If that is truly your objective with this thread, you would have titled your thread - "Conservatives keep lists without people's consent" That, Dobbin, was not your purpose when you started this tread. Quote "Any man under 30 who is not a liberal has no heart, and any man over 30 who is not a conservative has no brains." — Winston Churchill
jdobbin Posted October 10, 2007 Author Report Posted October 10, 2007 The key is in how the lists are being compiled. I might have a problem, for example, if my Temple Men's Club provided a membership list to a political party, or for that matter a life insurance salesman. I would not have a problem if someone, seeing my (Jewish) last name in a phone directory, correctly assumed that I was Jewish. The Ottawa Citizen article stated that friend and families were among the groups that supplied information to the party to be used for mailings. Some here say that it such information is in the public domain. I disagree. Would you not think it was wrong for someone in this forum to ask friends of posters who the real identity of other posters were so that a Christmas card could be sent to them? Would that not be an invasion of privacy? If not, then perhaps we could start that process now. Quote
jbg Posted October 10, 2007 Report Posted October 10, 2007 The Ottawa Citizen article stated that friend and families were among the groups that supplied information to the party to be used for mailings.Some here say that it such information is in the public domain. I disagree. Would you not think it was wrong for someone in this forum to ask friends of posters who the real identity of other posters were so that a Christmas card could be sent to them? Would that not be an invasion of privacy? If not, then perhaps we could start that process now. I think that the OP problem is with whoever supplied the information, not with the CPC. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jdobbin Posted October 10, 2007 Author Report Posted October 10, 2007 (edited) If that is truly your objective with this thread, you would have titled your thread - "Conservatives keep lists without people's consent" That, Dobbin, was not your purpose when you started this tread. What exactly isn't true about the thread title? Are the Conservatives not keeping lists? Are the people on those lists not Jewish? My very first post stated that unsolicited mail based on your religion is disturbing. If the Liberals were reported for mailings like this, I'd be equally upset. In fact, I've said they should have faced charges for releasing information to the media and polling companies last leadership campaign. If you have a problem with the title, you should report it. But what exactly are you reporting? That it isn't true? That you think it means something else? Even in the first post, it is indicated that the list isn't a hate list. It was list to garner favour in the Jewish community. However, it is a list compiled on people who never consented to have their information used for unsolicited mail. Worse, they have no idea how the list was compiled. Edited October 10, 2007 by jdobbin Quote
jdobbin Posted October 10, 2007 Author Report Posted October 10, 2007 I think that the OP problem is with whoever supplied the information, not with the CPC. The Privacy Act covers people who supply information and people who store it and use it. Quote
ScottSA Posted October 10, 2007 Report Posted October 10, 2007 What exactly isn't true about the thread title? Are the Conservatives not keeping lists? Are the people on those lists not Jewish? My very first post stated that unsolicited mail based on your religion is disturbing. Clearly you were trying to evoke Nazi Germany. The "soldiers in the streets" ad was "true" too, in the strictest sense, in that a revived military with more bases would put soldiers in the streets of towns they would otherwise not have been in, but are you seriously suggesting that the intent of the ad was to convey information that the Cons were going to beef up the CF? You know very well why you cast it in a sinister light by the use of the title...you know it, I know it, and obviously everyone else knows it, so why are you trying to pretend anything else? You claim to be a writer, and if you're a halfway decent writer you know all about evocative wordplay. Stop playing dumb. Quote
Michael Bluth Posted October 10, 2007 Report Posted October 10, 2007 Clearly you were trying to evoke Nazi Germany. You know very well why you cast it in a sinister light by the use of the title...you know it, I know it, and obviously everyone else knows it, so why are you trying to pretend anything else? You claim to be a writer, and if you're a halfway decent writer you know all about evocative wordplay. Stop playing dumb. Scott you are right. Everybody knows the little game dobbin is playing in this thread. For some reason he is allowed to get away with it. It appears to me that it is a clear contravention of the spirit and the letter of the rules. Oh well, it's fair game for the left to compare the Conservative Party of Canada to Nazis I guess. Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
Higgly Posted October 10, 2007 Report Posted October 10, 2007 Scott you are right. Everybody knows the little game dobbin is playing in this thread. For some reason he is allowed to get away with it. It appears to me that it is a clear contravention of the spirit and the letter of the rules. Oh well, it's fair game for the left to compare the Conservative Party of Canada to Nazis I guess. Would your sentiment be the same if it were the Liberals who were doing this? Quote "We have seen the enemy and he is us!". Pogo (Walt Kelly).
Michael Bluth Posted October 10, 2007 Report Posted October 10, 2007 Would your sentiment be the same if it were the Liberals who were doing this? Absolutley. I'm sure that the Liberals do it as well. There is no reason to compare them to Nazis for it. As there is no reason to compare the Conservatives to Nazis. If the main point of the thread were issues with privacy then Stan said it best. "Conservatives keep lists without people's consent" Would you have taken offence if the Liberals were being compared to Nazis? Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
Higgly Posted October 10, 2007 Report Posted October 10, 2007 Would you have taken offence if the Liberals were being compared to Nazis? What did I miss? It was ScottSA that raised the Nazi spectre. Can you show me where somebody compared the Conservatives to Nazis? Quote "We have seen the enemy and he is us!". Pogo (Walt Kelly).
ScottSA Posted October 10, 2007 Report Posted October 10, 2007 What did I miss? It was ScottSA that raised the Nazi spectre. Can you show me where somebody compared the Conservatives to Nazis? It's unfortunate but not particularly surprising that you don't get it, but no, I'm not going to try to explain it again at an entirely different level of comprehension...oh wait a sec, I have to train my pet snail to 'sit'...because I spend too much time doing that already. Quote
Wilber Posted October 10, 2007 Report Posted October 10, 2007 What did I miss? It was ScottSA that raised the Nazi spectre. Can you show me where somebody compared the Conservatives to Nazis? Simple, jdobbin could have chose, Conservatives keeping lists based on religious affiliation, which is probably true. Why would you send a Christmas card to a Muslim? He chose to focus on Jews. The association is clear to most of the people on this forum and if nothing else it is just plain clumsy and transparent. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Shakeyhands Posted October 10, 2007 Report Posted October 10, 2007 Simple, jdobbin could have chose, Conservatives keeping lists based on religious affiliation, which is probably true. Why would you send a Christmas card to a Muslim? He chose to focus on Jews. The association is clear to most of the people on this forum and if nothing else it is just plain clumsy and transparent. Yet the jewish comaprison was based on... oh what do you call it... ahhh... FACTS! Thats it, not partisan conjecture and spin. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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