Army Guy

Seemed to work for the Libs and NDP "anything but harper campaign" and right now fords not looking that bad....

The truth does not scare me....false news does, if a poster is not going to put up a source then his rantings are nothing more than opinion….I'd prefer to make up my own mind what is fact and fiction....and sources tend to sway opinion do they not ?

Your not saying one tweet is having balls are you, and not from the PM who has no balls to start with. The Saudis came back with a slap across the face of our nation....If we had balls we would have canceled all imports of oil from Saudi, sent their students home period with a note from mom that says your not welcome back, pass a bill to stop all trading with the Saudis period.... next cancel that LAV contract , sending a suit case of money back with their Ambassador with the cancelation fee inside of it...marked paid in full... and a great big middle finger mounted to a spring that sprung into action once it was opened.....Now that would have earned some points across the nation Justin would be back in the race for reelection.....Instead we got a few murmurs from the back benches ...we'll show them next time....we thinking about that contract you bullies.....If your going to use their balls to make a tweet it should be done for a good reason, not to just poke the bear and hope nothing happens...but poke it for a purpose....to stand up and own it..... but wait we have our own human rights issues at home to worry about....

While keeping us out of Iraq, except those 60 Canadian soldiers imbedded with US forces, but on the bright side he did give us Afghanistan and everything that goes with it....and while reducing the debt he also became responsible for the decade of darkness for our military.....cutting everything to the bone, reducing an already small force to a one that can barely defend down town Toronto during a snow storm....he also brought us OKA, in which he ordered the military to bring order to them pesky Indians. when the QPP could not....

WTF...dude even eyeball is not this crazy....sorry eyeball love you like a brother....but seriously you need to grab a shovel and starting digging yourself a bunker , grab all those that think like you and lock the door.....

I think your making an assumption we are as smart as you dexter...….The entire idea behind providing a source is so all of us can read it , become better informed on the topic and try to ascertain just Where in the F#### your thought process is coming from...

Tday seen the New Brusnwick liberal party throne speech go up in flames with a non confidence vote....and the people party will be stepping up or the people will be going back to the polls.... The revolution has begun.....the Maritimes once a liberal strong hold is coming unglued ...Now the anything but Justin Campaign is in full swing....

You know you guys can argue all day with Bush, because deep down you know he is right, What has our government done about the initial Saudi threat....Nothing except a few words , we have not done a thing, we still import oil, have there students across our nation, and then this thing about them killing someone.....we sucked in a lot of wind over that one.....what did we do...well we are considering canceling that LAV contract....that was until we said 15 bil dollars worth of military goods is a lot of Lonnie's….naw….the Saudis they get little rowdy every once in a while....we showed them though, scared the crap out of them....you can argue with the Bushmister all night long, fact is our balls are in the misses trumps purse and she said we could not have them back for awhile....or at least until the next election when Justin goes back to being a snow board instructor....

I'm not asking you to simply believe my opinion, I want you to do some of your own research, and use what I have told you as a starting point....I'm asking you to prove me wrong with facts not that garbage that eyeball spews...I don't want you to apologize for your opinion right or wrong, I want you to act upon it in some fashion, vote, take part in a protest, write your MP, do something.....and if you can't do that keep it to your self....to many couch generals already in the world who got an opinion about everything but know nothing factual.. Fair enough, We got there because Canadians did not like the other option Iraq, and getting involved in a real war, with a high possibility of chemical and nukes being used....The liberals did not want to touch that with a 10 foot pole. they of course used Afghanistan as the go to option , one that would not be capable of producing mass causalities that they had predicted for Iraq...Canadians got behind the liberals and their propaganda and were soon screaming in the streets for our soldiers to kill those goat herders.....Until it start costing them money....Canadians did not like the fact our soldiers did not have the proper equipment...well at least that's what they said, and yet not many said anything....not before dozens of soldiers had paid that price did they act and the government listened...we got new tanks, new arty , new trucks, even ordered some chinooks and C-17 and C-130's....well enough to equip the mission but not enough to equip the army back home.... We all would like to have all our soldiers come home alive...Of all the missions this nation has taken on, I still not sure why you disliked the Afghanistan mission so much... one of the mission that was not about oil or big corp's it was about killing off a terrorist group, and a bunch of extremists...that presented a threat to the world...not to mention the people of Afghanistan….but some how you think we should of closed our eyes to all of that, and yet we went to Somalia, to feed millions of starving people.. instead we get caught up in our own problems of our own creation, and say fuck those millions of people and brought our boys home....we went to Syria because some little boy washed up on some shore....and we are still there....the government says we are not in combat, you don't need bags of mags filed with bullets if your not in combat or the threat of combat is high.... Al-Queda was not created by the US it was created , funded by Bin Ladin, to promote his own agenda, created long after the Russian portion of the war was over....Yes it had some of the same players BIN LADIN for instance, but Al-Queda is and was a terrorist group....end of story....with no direct ties to the Mujahideen to which the US was assisting. Yes , Canadian blood was spilt because of our NATO commitments, commitments that we have not as of late taken very serious. Besides those very commitments allow our government to cheap out on our defense measures, with out consequences…. well at least until very recently, with trump calling BS and forcing everyone to pull up their belts... That's a pretty self serving opinion is it not...one minute we Canadians brag about our G-7 status , how safe our nation is, how we are one of the best nations in the world to live , bring up a family, shit the list of things we brag about is long.....And some how we don't or cant help another nation in need ? we help out all kinds of nations, with funding, goods and services andf some time military support of direct action....but some how the Afghanis people don't deserve that and I wanted to know why....why not them and yet we could send entire generations to their deaths over in Europe, Korea, plus countless other UN, NATO mission around the globe....I'm wondering how did Canada's contribution to Afghanistan screw it up, we dug hundreds of wells, schools, Hospitals clinics, Hundreds of miles of major highways, even a Dam project....not to mention provided a semi secure area for the people to live in... I'm not here to put words in your mouth, I was trying to give you doubt and perhaps edge you to do some research on the topic, but I see that is not happening... Like I said if the public can't handle the truth then that's their bad not mine, I don't care if they get hurt feelings....or what they think of me personally....I mean if they are not willing right now to stand up for our Vets and how they are being treated, because they don't give a shit....do you really think , you might have a point if our military was in good standing with the majority of Canadians....They are all educated on all of these topics...and yet have remained silent...in one ear out the other....So tell me HOW do I get there attention, how do I put them into action....I know crickets right....And the sad part of this whole thing is you go down to the legion or mess and this conversation could be heard at a majority of tables there...with a lot of soldiers saying the same thing.... And once Canadian citizens are cornered on the topic they all come up with the same excuse....What can one person do....we have no say....we have no input....Input that's is in the media everyday public out cry for a convicted killer getting sent to a healing lodge, that pisses off a lot of Canadians , and while that preasure does not work over night, I would bet my pay check that chick is going to find herself back in general population....same as the legal weed, enough people spoke and the government listened....same as the pull out in Afghanistan, when enough people wanted out it happened...So it does happen, people do have a voice, and they are heard....and things happen.... That is not how this democracy works...Government makes thousands of decisions every day, without consulting the public, .....That being said every politician has one goal to get reelected...and they will do anything to do that....Including reverse a decision or policy, all one has to do is look at the liberals Carbon tax, the cons have already said they are going to scrap it....why because it is not well thought out, and it does nothing for the environment....what it does do is pass all these taxes and expenses back down to the consumers.... Canadians do have a say, although there is normally no immediate action, unless it is a Muslim kid crying wolf about being accosted by an Asian man , for some reason Justin jumped all over that....or inviting that wing nut who took his pregnant wife to hike in Afghanistan...to your office.....after his release....only to find out later his wife was leaving him for abuse....any ways most of the time it take s time to convince the government to action....but they are listening.....always

Yes it does...How did the gun registry work out, was it the pressure from the people that it changed or was shelved, Carbon taxes how many provinces are now second guessing those taxes, why is that ? Are they listening to what people are saying.... you think Justin woke up one morning and decided he was going to be a feminist, " ok maybe he did" or is it is what his voters wanted....

Your not debating, you've got a mindset and refuse to acknowledge anything different, you know jack shit about the topic, it shows in your replies, to which you have not provided one shred of proof for...I proven most of your theories false, and provided sources and yet you still spew your garbage....Your pissed because I've said that the Canadian citizens share in that so called failure....and you don't like it...To fu**ing bad....First off the topic was our vets, and some how you changed the channel and wanted to talk about the mission or how our troops are supply, again two more topics you know jack shit about, and yet somehow in your mind your a freaking wizard.... I asked you why not Afghanistan....I asked you if you did not like brown people, and I did state I did not think you where a racist....and yet you could not even give these people the time of day ......at least I got off the couch and went over there to make a difference....your still on the couch, telling me I should stay off the forums....... I get it you don't have an answer so you changed the channel again....maybe it's not me who needs to keep up....maybe it's you... Yes I am angry at the government , I thought you could figure that out all by your self....., but that's not where the blame stops, Ya I pointed my finger at you, and the rest of Canadian citizens....and personally I don't give a rats ass , what you or the rest of the country think about hearing the truth....the majority of Canadians don't care.. what the truth is or what I or other soldiers have to say...Vets have been taking the country to court in order to make changes to how this nation treats Vets, not just military vets RCMP , coast guard, fire fighters, EMS techs....you know the people who may give their lives up for this nations citizens…. you think by ignoring them they will go away, you think they are not getting pissed off at the lack of action coming from the very citizens they give service to....I know you don't give a rats ass.... As for passion or name calling , had we had this conversation face to face you'd be lying on the floor ....but then again that's what you do right, your so passionate that you can't even write a member of parliament or voice your opinion in a public format....

Look a while back I said I did not want to debate with you, as you already had your mind made up, and there was no changing it....You told me you were interested in hearing my side of the story, that we could have a conversation, ....one without all the attitude, and name calling...guess your done with all that...I'm not interested in an angry exchange of words, so I guess I'm done...

Yes Al Qaida was used as part of the talibans military, they had many different parts within the country, they did most of the killing of political rivals, adversaries, etc etc...The Taliban were not going to just give them up, let alone Bin ladin , The US had little choice....

Not True, One man started that protest that swept the Nation, He accused DND of mishandling and abusing Afghanis detainees. So to say it has not been done is Bullshit....there is just a lack of will by the people, how could you not see that ? ....Your statements are saying the government are not puppets and act on the will of the people , soon Cannabis will be legal, who brought this to the governments attention, maybe justin is a closet pothead , I doubt it.... are you saying no one protested this issue...every year there has been a massive smoke in in Ottawa....all one has to do is look at an election platform....all the promises they make , and rarely keep....these are things the people want, and have voiced that in some format.... My point about the government spending an un forecasted 4.5 bil on Pipelines proves that there is funds available, Check how much DND and VAC budgets have been turned back in at the end of the year in just the last 4 years... They claim it can not be spent, Justin made a campaign promise to fix DND procurement woos did he not , Not yet, no will to do it.... Not true, the government puts funding aside for major equipment purchases every year, that includes the funding we pay to be part of the F-35 program, those smaller purchases are taken out of DND budget, for things like ruck sacks, clothing etc , it is part of their OEM budget "yearly operating budget" So ask your self why are these purchases being made if DND is returning funds at the end of the year, because the purchasing system is broken, this is old news, DND does not buy anything over 25,000, the government purchasing dept does all of that Called PWSG, , No will to fix it...not harpers government , and not Justin's, you could go back even further if you wanted to... We have already reached the point where it is too expensive to return the capabilities we have lost since the 1990's , there was some estimates of over 100 bil is required. Not for new capabilities but to replace the ones we have lost....you want to gain capabilities like UAV, drone, cyber warfare, that's extra....Once again ask your self when has any of this topic been an issue for the Canadian people...you can not blame the media because they have been reporting it to the public since the forever...so it is not like they don't know, there is just no will...so it continues to be put on the back burner, for future generations to pay for....or decide once and for all there is no will to have and support a military , and Canada will become a different place, good or bad I don't know...one without sovereignty that's for sure... Check your source again, SO most of NATO was still in Afghanistan in 2011, in fact most were there up until 2014-15 when a few nations withdrew it's troops, while other including the US drew down the number of troops in country. We did turn our backs on the Afghanis people, the Afghanis government begged our government to stay. I'll ask you the same question Why not Afghanistan, why was this country not worthy of our time ? why was Cyprus worthy, Yugo worthy, Korea worthy, WWI, WWII why where these worthy adventures for our nation and not Afghanistan...why is it we can mobilize for Syria but not Afghanistan....Maybe you and eyeball can answer that....is it we don't like brown people, I don't think your a racist guy, is it because we can't afford it...maybe it is not important enough, not worth our time, effort or resources ….did we need a picture of a baby boy washed up on shore to motivate everyone....so why not Afghanistan ? On 9 December 2010, it was announced that after the end of combat operations in July 2011, Canadian Forces (approximately 950 newly posted specialized personnel) would be posted to the NATO Training Mission-Afghanistan to continue the training of the Afghan National Army and Afghan National Police.[30] Canada's contribution to this mission was dubbed Operation Attention and took place mostly around Kabul with some training occurring at Mazar-i-Sharif.[31] By late 2013 Canada began withdrawing its final soldiers from the training mission. In October the force was down to 650 personnel from over 800 and the withdrawal from Afghanistan was scheduled to be completed by March 2014.[31] On 12 March the government announced with little fanfare that the mission was formally completed with a flag lowering ceremony held in Kabul.[32][33] The last 84 soldiers left Afghanistan on 15 March 2014, ending Canada's twelve-year military presence in the country.[34] I understand completely you and eyeball did not want to invest in Afghanistan, however we do live in a democratically elected country, where for the most part majority rules, and in the early years the majority of the people wanted and supported the governments decision to go over to Afghanistan and kill the shit of some bad guys....After DND tried to talk the government out of the deployment....NO said the government , Hell NO said the people we need to go , we need to go now....even after the CDS said we were NOT equipped or trained to this level of combat...still we went...we arrived with green combats, open air jeeps, the rest of NATO just shook their heads, that's the crazy canucks , and in the 10 years we were there we finally had the equipment and training....And when things did not move fast enough the people lost interest in the entire Afghanistan issue...why....no will I'm sorry you feel that way, but our history is filled with examples of ONE person making a difference, google that shit....so it can be done, our country was built by these people....I'm sure if the liberal government came out in a few days and said it changed it's mind on Cannabis hundreds of thousands would swarm parliament to demand change...but we can't be bothered with our military or our vets...Even Omar had protesters that made a difference...and he was a terrorist.....me and other are Canadians, born and raised here with Canadian morals and values, that have sacrifice more than any Khadr could ever do in a thousand years , he got 10 million, , how does the song go, and we got the shaft.... Our vets are not asking for anything more than any other Canadian is entitled to....Our military are just asking for your support, and not some bumper sticker.....real support, write your MP, make your voice heard....because it does count, because it has to count...

"utting the brakes on our military ambition abroad....wtf are you talking about, did we had just annex Poland or something like that, our military in it's present form could not take down town Toronto....

Really, wasteful spending....How much has the nation spent in the last 4 years on new equipment purchases....most if not all major projects has been frozen with the exception of the F-18 replacement program, and then they only want something interm , so they can pass that on down the road.....if that is what you implying then Yes a waste of money....but don't say the people are Pissed off at wasteful spending.....they don't give a rats ass...how much fuss did Canadians make after we spent 4.5 bil on a pipeline.... The government can afford any purchase, I mean the contract for rucks sacks would be well under 100 mil, peanuts...what is the problem is lack of will, and the endless red tape to get anything done... No "WE" have not been working Afghanistan, we quit more than 5 years ago, why "public pressure" by it's citizens... ….Our nation turned their backs on Afghanistan, when the going got tough Canadians lost interest, and simply said we done, and pulled out, because it was popular...and staying was unpopular we did spend a few years after the fact training Afghanis soldiers to save some face... WOW, so a few Canadians did not agree on the Afghanistan mission, But the start of this whole journey the majority of Canadians wanted this mission.....so bad the liberals begged for it....they wanted nothing to do with Iraq....and after a few years Canadians wanted nothing to do with it....gone was the support soldiers had at home, gone was funding for new equipment, or supplies, gone was support from our government as they did not want to be unpopular, all that was left was our soldiers holding the whole bag of worms, and we did the best we could we all the very little we got from our nation, .. .....most Canadians wanted nothing to do with the military , sure they bought those support the troops stickers for their cars....but once again they did not give a shit....it would take 10 years of combat and over 160 soldiers to come home in bags, before Canadians made themselves heard...and our government to take action, we'd still be over there if the citizens did nothing or made their voices heard....It took them over 10 years... That is what I call supporting the troops...it was more like bend over Irene I'm driving... Maybe we should publish a list of which nations we think are worthy of our blood, and treasure... maybe we can give it to immigration so we can keep those losers out of our nation...What was it about Afghanistan that I guess you have to go there and see, smell, taste, and feel how much Afghanistan really needed our help...How grateful most of the people were to have us there, and the Taliban gone. they were still grateful after we boarded the last plane home to Canada....We left with out finishing the job, you did not have to explain to them why we where leaving, like everything in Afghanistan we had to do that to...."we" were only there for 10 years, Then walked out.....the blood was from our military, it's citizens did not have to give a single drop, as for tax payers money on average each Canadian paid out 125 dollars a year, so forgive me if I don't get excited about your investment... There is NO support now....and if it hurts Canadians to hear the truth then so be it....I guess we can only slag the government on this site, and not the people " to those that I have offended I'm sorry, but maybe it's time we look at our actions or inactions and own them. You lost me.....WTF Bullshit, goggle that shit tell me that at the start of this mission it did not have the majority of support across the nation....So what is the case with Afghanistan , are you telling me that the blessed citizens of this country had no fuc**** idea what they were doing in regards to this decision , then to top it all after they sent us there, they just forgot us there, no will to bring us home, no will to give us the funding , no will to do sweet nothing....That is I how I seen things from the inside of the fish bubble....now my account may differ from yours and you may have gotten butt hurt by my comments. but i'm not they only soldier that feels this way. one more time...our government does nothing unless it has the support from the voters, If the voters wanted it , it would be a done deal....your example is only worth a few bil....I say again most major projects are frozen, not for the lack of funding , but the lack of will, it is not popular to spend money on the military.. Maybe they should change the title.

What missions.....are you referring to....you make it sound like we been to dozens of combat missions.....are you including UN or NATO sanctioned missions....what missions are you talking about, that were not able to stand up to your personal code of morality or ethics.... It's funny that in any conflict there is very little morals or values not even a dash of ethics to be found, maybe we start off that way, but in a very short time all that is left is hate, destruction, disdain for our entire enemies existence...and yet some how there are good wars or conflicts and bad ones according to you........kind of an oxy moron is it not... As long is man is man there will always be wars , forever until the end of time....., at least we could do is ensure the generation we send into combat is trained and armed with the latest equipment , so they can some of them can come home...unless you like those massive cenotaphs that are in each town, or city, with names of those that did not come home, buried in some far off land, and in some cases all the sons from one family gone forever , why because we were not ready, we sent an entire generation to be mowed down like geese in the fall ...

Your missing the point, the Majority of Canadians are concerned that we are spending TO MUCH on our military, they want to spend less....not more, LESS infact most Canadians get a twitch in their eye if you even talk about it....And our government is nothing more than a puppet to this rhetoric. Canadians are under the opinion that our military is well off it is well equipped, and it's members are healthy and fit to accomplish any mission...It is all bullshit...the media prints dozens of articles every month, that say other wise....Canadians refuse to believe that...And your right we should all be very concerned on how our government spends out tax dollars, concerned about under spending and over spending..... and while spending on the military is not as sexy it is the first Dept that will cut its budget slashed to fund vote buying projects .. That us not what Eyeball is saying at all, he wants nothing to do with the military period.....Why is it that we to Afghanistan in the first place ? Was it because of our defensive packs we have agreed to take part in.....So in the course of living up to our defensive agreements we removed dozens of terrorist groups operating within Afghanistan , Along with removing the ruling party "the Taliban " that was the job....leaving a massive hole where they government use to be....Next Question what were we suppose to do just leave, give them a big finger and say sort it out....only to be back in a year doing the same thing over and over again.... Besides what does it matter to you or eyeball, most Canadians turned their backs on the Afghanistan problem , and our military....This was not Canada's mission....this was Canada's military mission....the government and people wanted nothing to do with it....all those diplomatic missions where we built dams , highways that was all military personal , planning , caring it out, oversight of those projects....the last diplomat that left the compound got blown up....after that most jobs went to the military, winning hearts and minds was our job, the government gave us bags of money and said go forth and spend it some place....Shit the military had as many mentoring attachees to the Afghan government as the diplomatic corp... The whole Afghanistan issue was a failure of our military....because nobody gave a sweet F$$$$, Other than Afghanistan, So what other foreign Combat missions have we been on....are you implying that Cyprus, or Korea was not worth the time and effort, perhaps WWII , WWI, the Boar war maybe, So we don't get involved in many foreign conflicts unless we are peacekeeping, or peace making....When have we spent great gobs of money on Offensive conflicts ?... While we are at it when was the last time we spent great gobs of money on defense...Sounds a lot like Liberal promises , we will get to that after the next election.....which is code for F*** you... You really think someone aside from national leaders really advocate for nuking the area? Hell I've said nuke all of the M.E myself and just be done with all this bullshit. But I highly doubt anyone would take me seriously on that matter. No one in their right mind would genuinely advocate for that aside from the corrupt leaders in government and war hawks in the military to create a conflict to justify their existence Your missing his intentions, by having Nuks no one will mess with you or so he claims....and yet North Korea and Iran has nuks or is in the process of getting them, and how are they making out.....having Nuks does not give you any advantage on or off the battle field., or political field... Our involvement in Afghanistan was a Canadian failure, failure on our government, failure on our military, and failure of our citizens..... So that is it then, we tell Afghanistan's people 35 million of them your not worth our time, our effort, our treasure....in fact we are telling the world we don't give a rats ass....that is until that next commercial of those African kids starving, or media coverage of a young Syrian kid washed up on the shore....Or is it OK to preach about human rights but when it is time to put up some action ….we back down and say sorry....rather two faced is it not....What most Canadians forget is the entire world is not like Canada, there is no malls, or luxury items and services that we spend trillions of dollars on...NO a lot of the world is not like that at all, it's filled with bad men and women who prey on the weak, they take everything the have , and leave them to die...and they only thing these bad guys understand is violence....Sometimes you have to stand tall and carry a bigger stick, and most times your going to get bloody... It all comes down to this, the government will do anything to get reelected, they will listen to the people ….ask the Ottawa university Prof who accused the Canadian military of torture and mishandling of POWS....who capture the minds of the whole country... So why, Because we don't have a voice ...serving member are not allow to go to the media, or talk about issues on social media , forums nothing....for them it is against the service code of conduct, and liable with fines, military jail time,(trust me you don't want to do time in a military prison)...or dismal for duty.... They is an unwritten contract that Canadian citizen would have the backs of it's service people , while they were of risking their lives, Canadian citizens would be holding our government accountable for its actions....and yet we have seen none of that..... The status of DND has been in the media hundreds of times, most Canadians know about it's state....and yet with that knowledge things are only getting worse...no rucksacks this week, next week it will be something else....and what happens, nothing nobody gives a flying F*** maybe your not Apathic, but the majority of Canadians don't give a rats f***.or someone would be saying something....they all think everything is honky dory....we have a great military well trained and well equipped....Once the people stand up and say enough....shit will start to happen...until then soldiers will continue to buy their own kit and equipment just for the chance to serve this great nation.....that's what they do...

I'm fully aware of How and Why they got to be vets, what I disagree with is all of eyeballs notions on this topic, He does not give a rats ass about our nations soldiers, or it's military ....All he is concerned with is that some of his tax dollars are spent on the military, which drives him over the wall ....end of story....He brings nothing to the table.....except groans and whines.. look at his ideas and decide for yourself.....NUKs that is the answer according to him, we have already been down this road Nukes did not give us a seat at the grown ups table, it did very little in regards to strengthen our nation, it did squat for our military status, our military downed size while having them, then down sized once again when we got rid of them....North Korea and Iran have Nukes, both nations are under huge strains from sanctions from the rest of the world...having Nukes gives you squat.... Having a referendum, or super majority is another wing nut idea, first off how many Canadians even voted last election or the one before that....what percentage of Canadians even follow what is going on around the world, Afghanistan conflict had the majority of Canadians approval, my first tour we left a 3 am, to avoid crowds....there were hundreds lining the streets of Trenton to see us off.... At 3 am, so the support was there, and yet, the media covered every inch of Afghanistan, every night something was on the air....Canadians just changed the channel they had lost interest they did not care one way or another. no interest to bring our soldiers home, they had no idea what Afghanistan was all about....to most it was about OIL...WTF ther was no oil at all..... instead some citizens attacked us with false accusations made up by some Taliban prisoners, and some Ottawa university prof made it his mission to drag our military through the dirt....even after they were proven false nobody gave a shit....it was one thing after another....Today Afghanistan is swept under the carpet, and nobody gives a F*** With support no longer there funding dried up....with little funding there was no way to win hearts and minds...there was no new wpns or equipment, it took dozens of soldiers to die in the line of duty before some new equipment began to arrive....all of this was covered by the media extensively , soldiers in Afghanistan would watch the news and pray somebody , any body has got to say something after hearing the news of how badly we were equipped....NOPE 10 years go by without a word......, most Canadian soldiers have been over to Afghanistan on average 3 to 8 times.... that's 6 to 7 months on tour, 6 to 7 months no training or rest period back home, then 6 to 7 months training to go back to start the cycle again... Sorry for the Rant but you can see I don't have much faith in our fellow citizens to a) give a shit, b) know something about the topic. C) to take action , like vote, send a letter, write in a forum, do something.....So what is left....our current system and all of its flaws, because overall it just does not interest the average joe so we are stuck in this circle.

Michael I like most of your suggestions in your post, But how do we bring these ideas into our current way of doing things, it seems that our current system is set up to prevent any drastic , but needed solutions. Canuck , I'm a big fan of your post, But there is always a but, I'm not sure if it is really the case that the government is out of touch, they know the truth behind the scenes better than anyone, they just will not act for some reason, that and the majority of our citizens just don't give a rats ass.... Though my eyes I see the citizens as the gate way to getting anything done, without their support nothing happens....Most Canadians know exactly what is happening to our vets...it is in the media every week...and while most are a little concerned, they are not concerned enough to demand changes, or take some sort of action...It is not on any of the major political parties priorities, it is not an election issue, shit is not even on the radar. To date more vets have died due to suicide than were killed in action, and these numbers continue to grow everyday.....how many could we have saved if they had access to proper care...And yet a convicted killer receives all the care he needs from VAC while serving his prison sentence...A very telling story when we treat our cop killers better than we treat our vets.... As much as I would like to lay all this down at the feet of the liberals, because I would not piss on one if they were on fire....I also hold the conservatives to blame as well..Cuts made to services and benefits of our SERVING Service members, plus massive cuts to services and benefits to our VETS all made to pad a surplus to make a point....A point that the liberals pissed away while knowing the full cost to those depts and our Soldiers and Vets. "they want more than we can give right now" Yes the liberals have reversed some of those changes....and yet today our vets are still fighting our government in court on numerous fronts, last year government lawyers told the media that the government of Canada is not responsible to provide a safe and harassment free work place ....this after several female soldiers were sexually harassed and were forced to take their case to court "WTF" and yet is it not law for the rest of the country......a year later, the same lawyers told the media that there is NO social contact to provide our vets with any medical or other benefits suffer while caring out their duties. these remarks were setting up for the new future , the new cost cutting measures ….Last month it was announced through DND channels that injured soldiers will not be given medical pensions and sent on their way, instead they will be given a new trade or job within DND, If the soldier refuses or does not like there chosen new job or trade, they have only one other option left to them quit , go home with return of pension contributions, But NO medical pension...NO workman's comp, sweet fu*** all ….Note that both DND and VAC have turned in Massive surplus back to the government every year for the last 5 years....these surpluses are not being put away for future equipment purchases...they are given back to the government to do what ever they want with...

Your off your meds again Eye balls, come back to reality.....put that massive party favor down ….. here in Canada "the people do not get much of a say in how each one of their tax dollars is spent....nor do you get any say on who this country decides is a threat, or military action needs to be taken.... This post was about how our vets are treated by our government and how very little that treatment bothers Canadian voters, it's like they are OK with that.....well at least most of them...,the topic was not about your delusional idea on how our defense dept should work.......

Because most of them sign on to unlimited liability as well meaning they may have to risk their own death, in their line of work....now cops/fire fighters have work man comp....soldiers do not.....it is the same fucking channel, except your the one that has no idea what your talking about....kind of like taking fishing advice from an army guy….not worth the 2 cents it is written on....but keep on using good band width on less than desirable ideas...YA nukes has done so much for Iran, North Korea….well at least you made a few people laugh... Oh the military is up in the top ten organizations when it comes to saving lives, and they are the number one organization when it comes to responding to disasters...so when the lack of funding is a problem these capabilities are also placed on the chopping block....how many fishermen got their ass plucked our of the ocean by DND personal....ya the list is long....just not on your radar.... Soldiers are not allow to have a political voice or run for office, take part in public forums, talk about anything military to a crowd or gathering...so where do they get there say....just at the voting both....that is military law, Soldiers can refuse to go to any conflict, by declaring you want to be a conscientious objector, of course your days in the military are done, you'll be asked to leave, and enter the unemployment lines with a less than viable recommendation, one step up from being a convict...well there is always Mc Donald's they take most people.......

I can name dozens but start with this, how about the rescue of Canadian citizens in Lebanon a couple years back.... what about all those Syrian refugees we all were crying about, when that little boy washed ashore....yes that was a military operation....want some local examples FLQ crises, OKA, Ice storm, Winnipeg floods, fisheries patrol, anti drug patrols, or just patrolling our borders.... We are protecting Canadian interests around the globe, 24 hours a day , 365 days a year....be it fighting terrorists, or looking after Canadian foreign interests aboard....Even Switzerland has foreign interests...and the need to protect them...DND is also watching the skies every hour of the day, for uninvited guest, not to mention who do you think tracks Santa….well DND does at Xmas , the RCMP tracks him during the off season, apparently Santa likes to drink and fly.....who knew...

Where do you come up with this shit....

That's the problem is it...you don't understand nor will you ever understand....and yet regardless of what you think or say OUR nations military will continue doing what they have been doing for hundreds of years...must really piss you off, that your tax dollars are spent on doing this every hour of everyday.