Army Guy

Also I disagree with your assessment of the only person able to defend.. wrong, it was an invasion in violation of the rules of war, why apply the rules of war if the invader doesn't apply them? You can disagree all you want it is illegal in Canadian law, inter national law and the conventions....You can not take up arms for any nation you please, if you are not a citizen of that country.....As it has been explained many times Omar is a Canadian citizen and has no right to defend Afghanistan from any foriegn invader.....He was just visting ..... As for the Invasion being in violation of inter national laws, the US claims it was authorized by Article 51 of the Un charter...assisted by UN res 1373 According to Art 51 the US does not need direct UN approval to take action...Perhaps you can explain why the US is in violation of the Rules of war, or geneva convention. and piont out what portion they are in violation of. And maybe why the UN has not taken action again' st the US for doing so. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chapter_VII_of_the_United_Nations_Charter http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2001/sc7158.doc.htm Law of Persons states that if an individual's life is threatened they have the fundamental right to a defence, by any reasonable application of force whether deadly or not. This must be applied to everyone then, including criminals, when the police come to there doors and they believe their lifes are threaten they can defend themselfs right ? and if that is so why are they're laws against such very actions....ie assault of a police officer, So just so i'm clear if the police draw their wpns i can draw mine, if they shoot i can shoot, and kill as many of them as i can , and it is all legal... I'm going to need a source on that one.... No part of "in force" Afghan law provided for US special forces to assault the house Khadr was in, so the act is beyond the law and a criminal act, At the time a legal interm government was in place that much we know it's in all the history books......That interm governmant did give those very said powers to not Only US forces but to ISAF forces as well. ...but hey lets not stop there....lets take a look at Omars situation, Spec ops units were not in the area looking for something else and were side tracked to check out the the source of a SAT phone... Aghan milita or government forces went up to the house and knocked on the door.....Which in logins mind is a serious threat,....Omars buddies answered those knocks with Automatic gun fire knocking 3 of the militia members down.....a couple of questions here Is knocking on the door considered a threat , and can you use deadly force, i won't add if your a Canadian , in a foreign country, under foreign laws, in a war zone lets keep it simple....and when can the militia and US forces return fire.....And can someone explain to me what criminal act took place....

Yes Jacee they've never been convicted of anything, but lets take a look at how it is going to affect his so call rehab, do you think his mother and sister are going to be a postive influence ....And the courts have made these types of decisions like this before...

Just a question who stands up for the rights of regular Afghanis citizens....And yes while it may be an honorable cause to stand up for all the Omars in the world, ensuring everyone has equal rights and is treated fairly....lets not forget one thing what the Taliban and al quadia stoood for, what they were trying to achieve, and that does not entitle them to anything except disdain..... Defending again'st invasion is honorable, except that is not what Omar and his cronies were doing, they were fighting an insurgent action again'st the ligitimate government of Afghanistan, which is illigal in any country including ours..............check the time lines, once again..... As for him not targeting civilians , what do you call placing mines on a hyway which 80 % of the time occupied by civilians, The mines he placed are victim operated meaning you have to step on them to make them explode....there is not remote device....So your claim that he was not targeting them is false when in fact he was targeting everyone. Your understanding of Combat is unbelievable, if you spent just 1/3 of the time you spend chasing down Conspiracy theories looking into how our military conducted itself on the battlefield you would understand more about this conflict than most..... I won't deny that the CF was involved in civilain deaths, but those were tragic accidents or non intentional, with the exception of one with was the shooting Capt Semeau was involved with....even that one could be debated.... I don't think anyone is out right saying abuses are good....i don't think they should be put ahead of the others such as law bidding deserving Canadians or law abidding Afghanis.... Now we are talking about shooting people and calling them disease on humanity....i guess it is OK to talk about human rights and abuses when it suits you and Omar, and does not come into play for the rest of Canadians....It's ok to talk the talk, but not walk the walk...

What's shameful is how "disdane" could "implicate" tax dollars. That makes about as much sense as Canadian citizens voting "more and more" for Harper! I'm sure an English teacher would be in full agreement with you... NOT. NO whats shameful is agreeing to compensate a conficted terrorist with tax payers dollars....while soldiers who have suffered much worse than our new hero Omar get a standard payout of 250,000 provided they qualify by Vets affairs...

Yes the Canadian who was conficted of murder, terrorist activites and aiding and abeding the enemy....that guy right....

According to the stats that are out there from different sources, in 2011, 2010, and 2009 an average of 80 % of all civilian cas were attributed to insurgents. 2011 in the 1 st 6 months 1462 civ deaths, 1167 from insurgents... .....2010.....2777 Cas, of which 2080 were caused by insurgents 2009 ....2412 civ deaths, 1630 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_in_the_War_in_Afghanistan_(2001%E2%80%93present) http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2010/aug/10/afghanistan-civilian-casualties-statistics The Drone is a wpn system that gives mission planners another tool , this one provides safety for soldiers as they don't need to in most cases cross a border, or hit a target deep behind enemy lines....before drones soldiers used to have to physically cross borders, pentrate enemy lines , get close to the target to laze it so an aircraft could drop a bomb...it posed risks for soldiers on the ground , and pilots....now they just send a machine... Not all targets are equal, high value targets such as Bin Ladin still get the human touch, as it is more reliable, and confirmation can be made instantly....

Yes it is all moot, although there is suppose to be a rehad program starting up shortly, again i doubt it will do any good, but atleast they can say they have done do diligence ..... None of those kids in Afghan have a life of their own....Omar is just one that has got all the attention.....

It is not just that they are lethal in combat, It is they're way of life, it surpasses anything cult like, it is who they are, what they are those involved in except their roles willingly without regret, and will give their lives at the mere sugestion of it....they are more committed than anyone in the west, including our soldiers.... Hence the once a bad guy always a bad guy statement, these guys don't change becuase they can't, .....take a look at omar we already know that he has been exposed to this behavior for most of his life....reinforced by his parents and his family, reinforced during his stay in gitmo by fellow prisoners, Do you really think a few shrienks are going to revert all that back in a few years, I don't think so......take a look at his family actions do you think Omar will revet all that teachings , with his family in the back ground screaming they are wrong.....this is his family we are taking about, his sister and mother play a major role in his life i'd say this is going to be a major hit to this shrienk training....Omar is already a rock star in the insurgent world is he going to be willing to dump all this attention..... another hit to the program....how about the way Canadians see him and how they will treat him it's going to play another small role.....I think he will put into the program what he needs to to get that check in the block for release....and may even keep it for a small while after release...but he will revert to what he knows and what he is confortable with.... You said you don't think he will be dangerous, but are you willing to place your life on the line to make that call.... As for the 40 year sentence this was 40 years total....and should be the standard sentence for any terrorist activity my opinion....

The only way Canadians are going to do anything other than pay Omar out for millions is if Omar shows his true colors, today at age 20 plus years old, and take down Canadians....I mean our government had his father released shortly after he died in a terrorist attack...along with one of his sons becoming crippled....and somehow he became a Canadian tax payer responsablity....i don't know what it would take to see them properly deported.....along with the rest of the know terrorists in Canada ...

"What more should be done to Omar Khadr, Army Guy? " Jacee, I get the fact that alot of Canadians don't support Omar and what he and his family did and are still doing. They support the fact that a Canadian Citizen has been abused by an inter national system, along with our own government taking a small part in that process. for the most part very few give a rats ass what happens to Omar once he is finished with serving his term for crimes he has committed. And to set the record straight i do not agree with alot of what happened to Omar in regards to his treatment while being held by US forces, and the steps our government took to assist him.... Do i think he has served justice for his crime ...No i do not, I think he should have served his full term of 40 years, or faced other crimes here in Canada, but that won't happen and that is my personal opinion which means jack shit in the grand scheme of things.... I do get that he was 15 years old at the time, i do get that he was carrying out his parents wish and wants, but those things were taken into account during his sentencing ...but when you place all the things that can be proven and all the things that can't and weigh them again'st his age , his parent the scales do not balance... Again my opinon... I've done 3 Combat tours in Afghan, my opinion is highly slanted for a good reason, i've seen first hand what bombers bring to the table, time and time again....i've also seen what insurgents bring to the table, and in some cases up close and personal, I don't hate them, hate is to strong a word, but i do not like them, or what they do..... I'am a professional soldier who was not suppose to allow my emotions get tied mixed up with the conflict, but i'm human first and fore most, and getting attached to the regular afghan people did not take long, add to all that i watched many of my comrads pay the ultimate price for that assistance....once that bond was forged the bad guys never stood a chance....that bond has been forged with many soldiers...i could never stay neutral, i always stood on one side of the line....always on the opposite side of the insurgents, or the team Omar was on. As for Omar he will be a rock star for the inter national terrorist comunity , treated like royality. our government will side step the issue in order to not have to deal with it...see bad press is bad for votes...do i think he will be watched like 2 rare birds being filmed by national geographic.... yes i do, until one of those meat heads screws it up again, and omar takes them to court again....I don't have much faith in the system....what i do have faith in is once a bad guy always a bad guy, and the law or a bullet will catch up with him....It's to bad that a price will have to be payed by all, and some more people will have to suffer...

Here is another example of the expectations of western Civilians on how ISAF is expected to run the WAR, Surgical strikes, no civilian cas, no killing of child soldiers, the list goes on....Insurgents are responable for 80 % of the civilian deaths ....thats a huge number.... While it is tragic that civilians are killed in any military operation, it is going to happen regardless of what wpn system you use....there is no perfect system that will kill only bad guys....those drone attacks are the result of months of Intel gathering , tracking down elusive high value targets, that are the command and control of terrorist insurgents....they are responable for the most part of thousands of civilian deaths.....after a risk mangement acessment the orders are given.....And while you may not like them, they are legal, and fall under the ROE's for the nation carrying them out.... Omar on the other did operate for one of the worlds largest terrorist networks, and was classified as an insurgent, or illigal combatant.....are you saying that he and they're operating proceedures are legal or perhaps should be legal think about that for a minute....that would mean that anyone could kill anyone at anytime by any means without legal action being taken again'st them....that would mean throwing out the conventions, or inter national law.... There are laws and for the most part they are designed to protect non combatants.....without them armies could kill wholesale, much like the monguls did or Hilter did with the unwanted of his world....

It was not my intention to mislead the reader into thinking Omar was the leader of the bomb making group, And he did do what his was told, planted mines on a busy hyway knowing very well the results of his actions....That was my intention....

Like i said the mines that Omar planted are victim operated ....they do not just explode when US military pers run over them...He placed them on a Hyway, that had about 90 % civilian traffic on it ....And he knew that, as he often worked gathering intel on US military traffic patterns.....But it's nice to know that it was his intention only to kill US military pers....i wonder did he stay on the side of the road to warn civilians of the mines , did he place a sign to warning them...or did he plant them just seconds brfore US pers arrived.... Kind of like leaving a loaded wpn on the living room table, in a house full of kids....hoping they won't touch it..... ISAF keeps detailed records of every IED or mine that is detonated, but it is extremily hard to prove who planted them unless caught in the act....or the IED has a signature to a certain bomber....I wonder how many were recorded in the area that this bomb cell woked in.... The area OK makes his vidio of planting mines, the next morning US forces hit one in that area, Omar was not accused of planting those mines has there was no hard evidence....But odds are it was his group, as they were the only one in that area....they knew it was his group but could not prove it....

Anyone with half a brain can make a bomb given the proper components. Do you honestly think Omar is going to get out after over a decade and start making bombs in Toronto? If you start criminalizing people who know you are an idiot. These things are not complex, and based on your statements you would likely fall into this same trap. MAKING PEOPLE STUPID IS NOT THE ANSWER. FREE PEOPLE AND WE WILL BE FREE. Jack the ripper could accomplish more than any bomb Omar is making. It is incredibly easy to kill people. Those sorts of IED's were to fight solidiers not civillians. The problem is not making the bombs but having the will to use them to promote your aims, regardless of the cost or victims....Omar and his buddies planted IED's and mines that claimed far more civilians than soldiers....most were victim operated, meaning all that was required was for someone to run over them, planted on roads and paths that had more civilian traffic on them than military....your claim that they were meant to fight soldiers is false...they're number one goal was to promote terror among'st the civilians.........killing soldiers was an added bonus.....To them this was all a game to see how many they could kill, that takes a special person to be that cold hearted....you could see that in the way they built their devices, with secondary devices more powerful than the orginal designed to kill first responders....which was normally ambulance staff, people on the scene trying to help, fire dept....real nice guys your buddy Omar....which is why ISAF spent so much funding and resources hunting these guys down...

Thats a croak of shit, and you know it.....everyone in the country knew that Coalition forces had invaded and disposed of the current government....that much was being broadcasted via taliban communications systems, plus the regular comms network you know radio, TV, even in the mosques....they knew exactly what was going they new that ISAF was hunting down bomb making operations and they were one of them, they knew ISAF would hand them over to the government of Afghanistan, and they did not treat insurgents very well....no they knew the score, hence we they decided to take they're chances and open fire first..... They did'nt read the news, thats pretty thin even for you Radsickle....

Your right i don't understand and can not find a link that explains it in the context your explaining it....Give me an example of a state that is not confined by boundries ie borders....From the sources i've found so far Government have control only have control of people within it's borders, and only have Jurisdiction within it's borders...they do have limited control over it's citizens outside those zones but that is it... So explain to me how this small band of taliban still have political or governmental control over anyone in afghan.... How the Bonn conference came about , it's spelled out in the links i gave you....The Un decided that instead of creating elcections right away within Afghan and have the country split on culture divides , it was decided to gradually build into it. allow the political system to mature and grow....no mention of any CIA involvement....Take a look at thos names that are provided in those links they are not all pro west....in fact some of them are clearly anti west...and wanted nothing to do with the proclaimed ISAF / UN plan.... Sorry but NATO links it is, don't like them then provide your own links that dispute them...Thats what debating is all about is it not....

States are self recognized. Read a little bit about what a state is, what is required to be a state and get back. Fact is people don't like recognizing new states. If I am self recognized as state XYZ and you don't like state XYZ you can say I don't recognize that state, but the fact is, it is a state because it is self recognized, and it is only politics stopping the second point of statehood, a willingness to communicate. A state can possess the willingness to communicate and thus be a state, but others not willing to communicate limits the external recognition of that state. You just see only real countries are states, false. Only totalitarian governments won't let the world be free and force conformity. The state of Afghan already existed and was created in 1709 , By Mirwais Hotak declares Afghanistan (land of the Afghans) an independent state and establishes the Hotaki dynasty at Kandahar.....so there was no need to recognize the state itself, as it had already existed...... What i was reffing to was the offical recoginition of the government itself, And just like the Taliban when it formed the Afghani Government in September 1996, government officials of the Islamic State of Afghanistan under Burhanuddin Rabbani were displaced by forces of the Taliban. The United Nations refused to recognize the Taliban government, instead it recognized the Islamic State as the official government government in exile. The Organisation of the Islamic Conference left the Afghan seat vacant until the question of legitimacy could be resolved through negotiations among the warring factions. The Taliban controlled 95% of the territory by 2001 and only Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates recognized them as the government of Afghanistan. The remaining 5% belonged to rebel forces that became known as the Northern Alliance. Which creates a problem does it not, 3 nations out of the entire UN refused to recognize the Taliban as the offical government of Afghanistan....But rather recognized the Burhanuddin Rabbani has the government in exile....The same situation as you proclaim the Taliban are in today the government in exile.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Afghanistan I know you don't like wiki, but this info is basic and available on hundreds of others.... And yet according to you this works for only the Taliban....But lets also make some other connections that you have pinned on the current government ....You've mentioned and not yet "proved" CIA involvement in the creation of the current government....And yet failed to mention the huge role Pakistan and their ISI played in sustaining the taliban government with not only funding, equipment and supplies, direct military assistance, planning , and providing manpower ....these roles were reported by Human rights watch, and many other sources....You see the Taliban were not elected by the people of Aghanistan, but rather siezed power via force....which i assume you think is alright, but god forbid you have some election irregularities.... http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/afghan2/Afghan0701-02.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban So i want to take us back to the beginning of the current governments history....in December 2001, the German city of Bonn hosted a conference of Afghan leaders at Hotel Petersberg, to choose the leader of an Afghan Interim Authority – widely known as the Bonn Conference.[1] The Conference chose Hamid Karzai, who was subsequently elected President in 2004. I checked the names mentioned in the link below, and none of them were working for the CIA at the time, nor was there any CIA members at the conference at the time....Instead Afghanis politicians who got together and decided who would assume the role of interm leader....that deligation choose Hamid Karzai, as the best canidate....All this was done under UN auspices ..... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Conference_on_Afghanistan,_Bonn_(2001) In December 2001, a number of prominent Afghans met under UN auspices in Bonn, Germany, to decide on a plan for governing the country; as a result, the Afghan Interim Authority (AIA) - made up of 30 members, headed by a chairman - was inaugurated on 22 December 2001 with a six-month mandate to be followed by a two-year Transitional Authority (TA), after which elections are to be held. One of the sections of the Bonn Agreement[1] envisaged the establishment of the NATO-led International Security Assistance Force.[2] Resolution 1386 of the United Nations Security Council subsequently established ISAF. Before the election of 2004, Karzai led the country after being chosen by delegates of the Bonn Conference in December 2001 to head an interim government after the removal of the Taliban Emirate. Just wanted to put this in here again, note it says that the Taliban Emirate had been removed, and replaced by a new government.....under the UN so i guess this links them to this conspiracy theory of yours as well... This is followed by a Transitional Administration which was to serve for a 2 year period.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghan_Transitional_Administration This all goes to prove that your orginal statement that Omar was acting in self defence is false, just not possiable.... ....that the government of Afghan at that time was in fact the only legal version, there was no taliban in waiting or excile they had been removed from power and done so under the watchful eye of the UN themselfs.... with the new government formed under the same watchful eye of the UN..... So with the government of Hamid Karzai up and running , Omar could not have been acting in self defense as the Taliban were removed.....and a new government put in place.....one that had decreed that terroist groups and insurgent fighters such as the Taliban were not to be tolerated, and had asked ISAF for assistance in assisting with gain control of the security of the nation..... In english that means Omar and his good buddies were fugitives from the law....and were being hunted down for thier activities....which included terrorizing the people of Afghanistan....now it is kind of hard to get a self defence judgement on that....and if one was granted, then all fugitives could claim the same thing and gun down government forces as they seemed fit.....

au contraire, It is incredibly easy to debate a topic when the person you're debating knows nothing about it. The taliban existed before 1996, and they continue to exist. You can't extinguish states, their scope of influence however can change. Hamid is a US puppet, always has, hasn't had a legitimate election yet. How old are you ? your reading comprehension is well below a 5 th grader.....my son knows more about this topic than you do and he is in grade 6.... Show me where i said that the taliban did not exist before 1996....and while they continue to exist , in your mind what do they control, what government do they form.....and while they continue to combat ISAF and Afghanis governmental forces in Afghanistan they form no party that has any legal rights any where... Your right the state of Aghanistan still exists but it is controled by the elected government of Afghanistan....it's head of state is Hamid Karzi....perhaps you can provide a source that states something else....maybe the 100,000 topics in goggle are wrong....Yes the Taliban do have influence over Afghanistan they also have influence on Pakistan , shit to some degree Canada but that does not mean they are in charge., or form the government of those states..... As for the the election claim....again provide a source that states so, because your just pulling these facts out your ass....Show us where this election or any of the process was not legitimate..... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamid_Karzai WRONG - it was ISAF that invited Hamid Karzai to stay and assist with gaining control over the country. Please provide a source,..... Not even sure what your piont is with the rest of your post, maybe one day you'll explain it to.....

I've said dozens of times i do not agree with everything that has happened to Omar, as it has been stated in the media his re education will commence very soon under the Canadian system. And while his situation was not all of his making "HE" has made some bad choices along this journey as well, those are the ones i would like to see him held accountable....

Thats bullshit and you know it, first the government can not agree to anything that would be illegal, meaning if this trail or court was not legal, there findings would mean jack shit here in this country....and Omar would have been returned back to Canada ASAP to face some sort of trail here.....Not to mention Omars defence team would have been all over that...instead today Omar sits in a federal jail house sitting out the rest of his term....And the SC Sits and does nothing....while a canadian citizen serves time in our penal system....i don't think so....A Canadian citizen can not do time because it was decided by the executive's prerogative to do so.....The whole process needs to be done in a legal court of law....get over it...or perhaps you can provide a source that spells it all out for those of us with piont guns at people all day........if it is not to much problem for a guy that just fishes all day...oh and lets not forget whine about omar as a hobby...maybe you can put up or STFU...

Both you and eyeball keep saying the same thing, but why has the SC not struck down this whole court case and grant young mr Omar a free pass....Why becuase the court in which he is convicted in is "legal" and it's findings are legal, or young mr Omar would not being doing time in a federal prison would he.....International law does define him as a child soldier, but the same law does not prevent him or any child from being held accountable for his crimes.... But some how you two refuse to accept that fact....or do we need to post those laws back up here for you to read another time.

Actually the Canadian navy is the only foreign navy to be a part of a US Naval battle group, just something to think about....

The reason is legal, it's spell out very clearly in the conventions, inter national law, and you guessed it Canadian law.....He is a terrorist, illegal combatant, an insurgent....he always will be nothing more according to the law....