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Oh give me a break, this has gotten pretty silly. Organized religion of whom you are no doubt a part is still there whether you make silly statements or not. I still say too much to lose isn't there.

Well Jefferiah I can understand your need to maintain the status quo. It is easy to find pro's and cons on everything isn't it? But when one looks at the Vatican, The Christal Cathedral, the colleges making money based on religious bias then it is plain there is a lot to lose. Would the story of Jesus in the temple not bear out the fact that he would be horrified to see what is going on today. Benny Hinn has a 7 million dollar Mansion in California. This would all start to crumble if too many questioned the status quo.

Sorry Jefferiah, it doen't tell me a thing except that there are some very closed minds on here. And of course if one says something often enough somewhere someone will believer it. I think that people should read all the pros and cons of the Jesus myth and make up their own minds.

I love the fact that so many people have been following this forum, but I wonder is that what brought on the nastiness, can't have any truths read I guess

Hi Drea, I am a little confused about all this. I was thoroughly enjoying the discussion with Jeff, lost his name spelling, when these other posters must have thought he needed some help. Are they trying to shut me up I wonder and why. I did post the title of the article I was quoting, so does that constitute Plagerism?

Why? That is my own belief.

A Christianity before Christianity The first followers of Jesus adhered to a creed very different from the Christian Faith we know today. Indeed, the discovery of the Gnostic Gospels in 1945 is changing our whole understanding of Christianity. Rooted in ancient mystery regions, the Gnostic movement maintained that the devinity lies in each of us and can find our way to God through self knowledge. Gnostics saw the life and death of Jesus in metaphorical terms. According to some scholars, however, the Gnostic form of Chrisianity was pushed aside by a literalist movement that saw Jesus as the only begotten son, and emphasized the vast gulf between man and the devine. By the third century, Orthodox Christianity had allied itself with the Roman State, establishing a religious monopoly. This re enforces my belief in that Chrisianity as we know it today is a control of man religion and has nothing to do with the true teachings of Jesus

My husband and I have always enjoyed Laurence Welk but did you ever notice his token black man and the Morman tabernacle choir is a wonderful powerful group but I have searched in vain for a brown or black face in all those 200 people. No we don't need fair employment practices, our scenarios are all ready there.

First off I did quote exactly what Euseblus said so why you want it repeated is beyond me, just go back and read it. It seems that you want to argue small points. As far as the story of Jesus goes it is also part of the legend of Mithras including the virgin birth and death on the cross as well as in the Egyptian Osiris myths, written eons before the alledged Jesus myths. Constantine who put the bible together was no Christian, he just wanted power that would make him the Sun God

Now I have gone back and read this again and wonder what exactly you mean, what is a new ager.

I have s loved the christmas story with all its pageantry all my life but I have always been aware that it was a myth, a celebration of the coming of the new year and that spring would come again. It is allagory.

Seems to be a very convenient reply since Massey lived in the 1800's and was a specialist on Egyptology, but perhaps one of his problems is the he asserted that Every person must do his own thinking and have absolute freedom of expression. Is that why you call him New Age?

Ecclesiastical History, chapter 17 book 2. Now give me a time date for new age writers.

Oh Oh you don't read too well, In the first sentence in my paragraph I told you where my Eurebius quote came from, do you want it again, In his famous book "Ecclasicasticall History" Go back and read please. St. Augustines's comes from His Retractiones.

It always amuses me how hardline controllers fall back on the cliche that "they are new age'. Being in Palliative Care we have some special programs of rememberance of the people who have died, patients, friends and relations. When we had a candle lighting ceremony in these memories we were accused of using "new age" Ideas. In his famous book Ecclasiastical History, Euebius, the bishop of Caesarea and one of the major shapers of the emerging Chiristian orthodoxy he championed, says that the Gospels of the New Testament were really the old dramatic books of the Essenes, from pre-Christian days. St. Augustine also held the same beliefs. So do you believe as Ian Paisley in Ireland preaches that all Roman Catholics are of the Devil and therefor are evil. He certainly precipitated a blood bath.

This is How they worked the control. The whole aim of these third- and fourth- centurey Machiavelliam machinations was to obsure and conceal all traces of the deep connection between the "new light" of Chrisian revelation and its Pagan past. "And when Eusebius recored his memorable boast the he had virtually made 'all square' for the Christians, it was an ominous annoucement of what he had done to keep out of sight the mythical and mystical rootage of historical Christianity," This was written by Gerald Massey. "The Gnositics had been muzzled and their extand evidance as far as possible masked. He and his co-conspirators (Eusebius) had done their worst in destroying documents and effacing the telltale records of the past, to prevent the future from leaning what the bygone ages could have said directly for themselves" They made mute all the Pagan voices that would have "cried alout their testimony" against the umparalled imposture when being shaped and perfected in Rome. They in fact succeeded in reducing the first four centuries to total silence on all matters of the most vital importance for any proper understanding of the Christian religion. Massey's last sentience in this passage, however, is the most significant of all. He writes, " The mythos having been at last published as human history, everything else was suppressed to support the fraud."

Yes there are some pretty angry men out there. For instance the ones who are upset because they have to support their wife and children, It is their money and they should have it all. Another for instance it the ones who cannot legally get their hands on their wives inherited money. Another one is the fact that men used to be able to beat their wives with a stick but only as big as their little finger, thats a pretty awfull weapon, now they can't. Like the men in Afghanistan they used to be able to throw their wives out of the house and let them starve. A woman could work beside her husband for 50 years and get thrown out with nothing. Women are allowed to be bosses now, I have heard many complaints about that one and experienced that with a young fellow who was working for me. And on And on

You are absolutely right Kimmy

The throne speech has two components, it shows how arrogant Harper is, the Canadian people are being ignored in his agenda. The second component is that one wonders how stupid the Canadian people are, Harper seems to think we are all a bunch of idiots and maybe he is right. Bow down to the king.

No you are completely wrong, this is what the controllers would have you believe. You need to read more of this. Try The Pagan Christ by Tom Harper for instance. The story of Gnosticsm was trully followed until they leaders of the day found out it was harder to control people who followed the Gnostice teaching. Jesus probably was a gnostic and Thomas's gospels were written well before Apocryphal gospels. Even they do not back up each other.

I wonder what Jesus would think of that? Oh well he is mostly just a figment ot their imagination.

Yes tough, they will have to learn proper English

Right on Posit, I have heard more garbage cited as Common Sense than I care to remember. I have heard it used to maintain and control lots of situations.

Yes coot it is the war of a weak man (Bush( controlled by a group of evil men who want the power and control of money. That is the only reason for this war.