Post To The Left

So what was your point then? Are you trying to say the UN only singles out Israel? Not Russia or North Vietnam? As if this was your point then past UN resolutions to get Morocco out of ... South Morocco proves that the UN doesn't single out just Israel.

What about the resolutions to get Morocco out of the West Sahara?

The internal conflicts in Iran are really interesting. Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad doesn't have the blessing of the Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei who constantly humiliates him. His political ally and who he wants to pass power to, Esfandiar Rahim Mashaei, is totally outcast by the regime for his non-Islamic naturalist views. Meanwhile the Revolutionary Guard is gaining more and more power while the opposition sits on the sidelines waiting a fair election so that it take power. 2012 will be interesting for Iran especially if its ally Syria falls to the Arab Spring ... part II.

I don't have the article in front of me, it was in a newspaper, talking about hitting the target once, twice, three times but I wasn't implying the Americans were purposely striking ambulances. Keep in mind that this is the FATA and I doubt there is what would we consider an ambulance anywhere in the entire FATA. The article I read talked about how American strategy with drone strikes was to hit the compound and then hit them again as they try and move the wounded militants out of the rubble. I doubt you'd be able to tell from the air that it is a FATA "ambulance" or a militant van. This article talks a little about it saying how they will strike twice with mulitple missiles but the article I read talked more about how first responders were getting hit by the drone strikes:

It started with Bush but "President Obama has used more drone strikes to kill suspected terrorists than any other president. The Washington Post reports that the Obama administration has dramatically increased the drone program."

The drone strikes have definitely reduced to threat of Al Qaeda but have they destabilized the whole Pakistan frontier region? Also something I've come across is the the US's double strike policy where they hit a target and then hit again after people start to gather around the strike. This is done under the theory that the militant's friends and comrades will be the one digging the wounded out of the rubble, so the second strike will kill more enemies of the US. But often in more urban areas the second strike hits ambulance and emergency personal.

What do they disagree with? That Israeli society should have segregation of men in woman in public? Or that the Jewish extremists went too far comparing the Holocaust to their struggle against a free Israel?

True it wasn't just Gandhi that enabled the India to declare statehood. Britain was broke and exhausted from two world wars compared with Israel, backed on American funding, that is VASTLY militarily superior to all of the surrounding Arab countries combined but what if the same circumstances happened in the occupied territories as India (regardless of their past, now the West Bank and Gaza are now controlled by Israel as a form of apartheid). There are numerous threads on this board speaking of an economic collapse not to mention a Presidential nominee, Ron Paul, who wants to cut Israel's funding, that it needs to survive. Israel fears non-violent protest against the apartheid government of the occupied territories. If Hamas gives up its violent struggle joins the PLO and focuses on the nonviolent struggle against the occupiers who are either broke, or cut off from American funding it could be the push for parties like Likud to reverse their opposition, and stated goal to never allow, the creation of a Palestinian State.

Jewish Extremists, who are trying to push Israel into a segregated society where Jewish moral police intimidate the general public to keep the unclean women away from men, have sunk so low as to equate their struggle to live like the Iranians to the Holocaust. Rabbi Yitzhak Weiss claims "The Israeli media's incitement is reminiscent of the German media's before World War II." One of the protesters, Yaakov Israel, told Channel 2 TV that his community feels "persecuted" by the Israeli establishment. "We feel what is being done to us here is a spiritual Holocaust," he said. So have they gone too far in dragging the Holocaust into their anti-woman movement? Do you agree with freedom loving Israelis who shout in "large demonstrations where protesters held signs reading, "Free Israel from religious coercion," and "Stop Israel from becoming Iran." Or do you agree with the Jewish Extremists in their march to create an Israeli Theocracy?

I agree the racist bigotry and hatred of Israel against the Palestinian people is an obstacle but I wouldn't generalize a whole country some in Israel truly want peace. But the powerful establishment of Israel controlled by the small but king maker extremist religious parties control the agenda. But can you blame them? After all Israeli school teach children to hate and distrust the Palestinians from a very young age. Thanks for the helpful suggestion but I doubt Iran wants to destroy Israel's third most holy site and risk total and utter destruction when Israel rains its hundred odd nuclear weapons down on Iranian cities.

But the Arab people have seen that violence doesn't work but that mass demonstrations/ nonviolent protests do. In November Palestinians boarded a bus used by settlers, in a non-violent protest in an attempt to draw attention to the apartheid policies of Israel in the occupied territories. Israel's biggest fear is that the Palestinian people are going to march in mass, unarmed, without throwing stones against the occupier. Then they will be in the same PR disaster situation as the British in India when Gandhi was able to mobilize nonviolent protests against the apartheid/colonial government.

According to American officials the Islamic organization of Hamas was created by Israel as a way to weaken the secular PLO. So one has to wonder if Israeli officials are looking in alarm as Hamas is to join the PLO and Hamas' "political bureau Khaled Meshal stated ... Hamas will henceforth focus on a popular struggle in the form of mass demonstrations and the like" and give up the armed struggle. Of course this isn't sitting well with the rank and file in Gaza and there appears to be purge of "problem" Hamas officials: The "Is Israel witnessing the rise of a kinder, gentler Hamas?" article also talked about a common theme amongst Islamic analysts: the Arab Spring is showing the Arab and Islamic world that violence isn't the only option to overthrow their dictatorial regimes whether they are western backed dictators or grass roots groups who have seized power and refuse to give it up like with Hamas or Iran. Mass demonstrations and nonviolent means can overthrow regimes that have been propped up for decades.

That's right keep your head buried in the sand. Israeli President Shimon Peres calls the battle between Jewish Fundamentalists and secular Israelis an attack on the "soul of the nation" yet you call it just a few Jews raising their voice at women. But what does the President of Israel know, right? You seem to be in the loop more than him. Clinton publically "expresses concern over certain anti-democratic legislation and trends signifying the deterioration of the status of women in Israel" but hey she must be wrong if women are voluntarily moving to the back of the bus. I mean the before Rosa Parks the Blacks voluntarily moved to the back of bus too. People in liberal countries joke about how "first they took my _____ then they took my liberty" but in Israel it is no joke. Religious freedom is being slowly eroded by this Jewish Fundamentalist population that breeds like rabbits, live like parasites on Israeli society and constantly agitate for more Settlements and violence against Palestinians. Yet in Israel they have a Kingmaker status in the Israeli government that allows their ultra-religious parties to enforce their own policies and laws. One only has to look at history to find groups that are "fringe minority within a minority" that took control of the political process. Lenin once bragged that only 5% of Russia supported communism yet he was able to install a Communist Regime creating the USSR. How long before the Jewish Fundamentalists do the same thing? How long before the religious parties install another branch of government, a supreme Jewish council, where "learned" Jewish rabbis have veto power over Israeli legislation?

This is part of the Israeli push to a society based on the Saudi model of separation of the sexes. These Jewish fundamentalists are pushing for, "forcing women to sit separately at the back of public buses, and demanding businesses avoid posting photographs of women or permitting them to work in establishments which they patronise." http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/8979171/Israeli-police-arrest-ultra-Orthodox-protesters.html

Here is a list of the top 10 behind the scene figures of North Korea: http://blog.keia.org/2011/12/10-people-you-need-to-know-for-transition-in-north-korea/ Interesting is number 7, Kim Kyok-sik, who supervised the artillery attack on South Korea last year.

There are thousands of families that were split up during the Korean war. I'm sure some sort of policy of family reunification could be set up but South Korea would probably use its military to stop the millions of refugees from streaming South, like how China presently uses its military and police force now to stop and reverse the stream of North Korean refugees that try and escape Korea into China.

The last thing the South Koreans want is to reunite the peninsula. It would totally bankrupt South Korea, based on the German reunification it would take something like 100 billion dollars to do which is totally beyond the scope of South Korean means. Also, the last thing China wants is a US satellite country right on its border. I think both South Korea and China would collude to create a neutral defanged buffer state that would contain the millions of poor, desperate refugees that are waiting to flee that hell hole.

I'd be more worried about hard line North-Korean elements taking control and deciding that its time to strike. When they wanted to prove that baby-face Kim was leader material they bombed a South Korean island. What will they do to prove they're still strong after Kim has died?

And yet according to this recent poll:"In just a year, Jewish Israelis’ opinion of President Barack Obama has turned on its head, A majority, or 54 percent, now say they have a favorable view of the U.S. president — a year ago, just 41 percent of those polled viewed Obama in a positive light."

Good video on why America should move away from Israel and let them be independent:

It would definitely make the them more eager for peace. If it would make the ruling party drop its official policy of opposing a Palestinian State it would be worth it.

"Fetid wasteland"? Sounds like some has been reading the disgraced book: From Time Immemorial: The Origins of the ArabJewish Conflict Over Palestine by Joan Peters

Recently there has been some movement in American foreign policy away from its "we're always behind you no matter how wrong you are" to a more balanced one. Israel has noticed the shift and is trying to rally the Jewish lobby to get America back in line. For example U.S. ambassador to Belgium, Howard Gutman, pointed out the obvious: Israeli treatment of Palestinians pisses of other Arabs. This is of course total taboo for the Americans to admit. Then the Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta had the audacity to say that Likud should break its official policy of never allowing a Palestinian state to exist and "that Israel needs to 'get to the damn table' to negotiate with the Palestinians and 'mend fences' with its neighbors." Then of course there was Clinton slamming Israel on its actions against the free press. While its neighbors are enjoying an Arab Spring Israel seems to moving in the opposite direction: So is America in danger of having a practical objective policy towards Israel?

Not to mention that if you're Jewish and you don't live in Israel, the current government under the joke that is Benjamin Netanyahu, thinks you're betraying the Zionist cause.

This is the most common thing you hear when you talk to Israelis travelling outside the country. They just don't relate at all to the Jewish extremists who are blocking a peace settlement. The problem though is this generation of like-minded Israelis, like the rest of the industrial world, aren't having a bunch of kids. Mean while the religious extremists that demand women be covered and segregated from men in public are breeding like rabbits.