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What is obvious is that your insight into this country and it's abilities is masked by an obvious and familiar strain of chauvinism. But that's OK, you're still wrong. Again.

Which is really the question isn't it and likely the gist of the whole argument. Clearly the Act gives the government the right to designate pretty much any public area as a "public work." So did they or was it assumed that they did by those in charge of the police?

I say "special powers" in the sense that the various police officers were designated as "guards" as defined in the Act.

He realized who would never be Prime Minister by running his team down. So he got into the game, kept his stick on the ice and found his niche at centre. A bit of a power forward sometimes, and not afraid of the dirty stuff in front of the net. But he runs the powerplay now so whatever he did certainly has improved for him. Last time I looked the CPC were at the top of the standings and no more playoffs for 4 years or so.

None. Quebec is a province and nothing more. Their powers are limited and they have no rights to "sovereignty" other than what is given to them as a province. Period. Any - and I mean any - such rights can only be conferred by the rest of the Canadians. This isn't a Quebec-only question and never will be no matter how hard the separatiste dreamers want to dream. Quebec have 75% +1 and Canada is not obligated in the least and neither are the First Nations people in Quebec.

Someone is trying to "secure the internet?" Then they would be idiots. But you can secure host servers, something the techies running the CPC website might want to consider now. Now who gave the damned Parliament pages the admin password? See what happens when you let party techs fraternize with the Parliament pages? But when I heard about this on the morning news, I had to wonder: are hackers essentially leftists or just ideology free pranksters? And we can't blame the Chinese on this one, because there is no way they could come up with choking on hash browns... added in edit: BTW, if you haven't noticed, the Internet has a left-wing bias. Everyone knows this.

I agree. And since you say "what happens on reserves is disgraceful" then we ought to remedy this by giving the Indians back large tracts of treaty lands, let them manage the mineral and natural resources rights to those lands, lease for farming, collect taxes and income from the squatters in the towns and cities, etc. In that way, their condition would likely improve, wouldn't you say RNG? Let the damned Indians collect the taxes from the large multinational corporations that have been making all those profits off the land for all these years. That would easily replace any pittance like $127 million. I for one think it is time to stop treating them like children and let them manage their homelands like the rest of us. It will save a bundle on our taxes which - I am sure - the government will pass those savings down to the rest of us. Who knows maybe one day we can ask the Indians for some housing money to fix up our ghettos too. Of course, if we have ghettos, we'll have to look at whose fault it is that we would allow such conditions...

You see? Here's the problem: "Conditions there are already abysmal" Conditions where exactly? Are you extrapolating your limited viewpoint to include all Indian reserves in Canada? Because if you are, then your reasoning is faulty because not all reserves are the same with regard to housing. Surely you are aware of this. Well Carolyn Bennett, what sort of cut was it once the stimulus money was factored out? She says there was a cut, but other than citing gross figures, leaves us with the impression that there was this massive 40% cut. But was there? She - and APTN - could have made a good case by citing the Public Accounts records for the past 10 years and see how the numbers work out. Why didn't they? Surely with their research departments and access to the data either the MP or APTN could have done a modicum of research on this.

No one is ignoring any such thing. The point that Canada has capital is the point I made, set and match. Thanks for coming out. Collect your participation trophy at the gift table. Next... With your admittance that you were wrong. Yes, that is correct. Don't drag Bill Withers down...

It seems to me that the special powers of the Public Works Protection Act were given to the police and there were several sources that can grant the duties of the "guard"

I dunno. The Public Works Protection Act seems clear enough (emphasis is mine: It seems to me that the police were granted special powers on roads and streets and anything attached to them, like parks.

So essentially you are admitting you have been wrong all along. Thanks for confirming that. Not at all. I just love it when you prove yourself to be wrong. Ownership is not so much the issue as usage.

But the issue wasn't one of American dominance capital, marketing and distribution, it was about capital and the speed of which it operates in Canada. I gave an example of which plenty of people care. You can check this out when the Bruins next play at the TD (Toronto Dominion) Garden in Boston. But you care enough right? That is completely relevant and I respect that in a non-respectful way. I understand your sore feelings perfectly. I care about all kinds of things, thanks for asking.

You asked for an example, I gave you one. I question the sincerity of such caring. I don't care either.

You fool! You have been duped by the right-wing media bias at 'Corporate Broadcasting Corporation' aka the CBC. What they reported was some lies designed by former CAS workers to fool the laws of Canada and thwart the importation of helpful herbal remedies from China and Burma. All they want is for you to obey our laws and pay more taxes to hire police state gestapo to crush your freedoms and make you into sweater wearing, over-coiffed slaves. Kind of like a cultural revolution of sorts, but with sweater vests instead of Mao suits. What you haven't read is the REAL reason she is protesting. It was in an interview in that other newspaper/radio program/TV news that you didn't read.

Stop Harper...from the sweater vests and hairstyle. There is a report out of some other newspaper that you don't read that clarifies her protest perfectly. Apparently, the sweater vest thing is a blatant attempt at co-opting the reputation of U of T intelligentsia as payback for flunking him out in '79 and cutting him from the Varsity Blues hockey team. Apparently the little senate page chickie is a radical fasionista and has staged numerous protests against the Sears Menswear department.

Moving a hockey team from the US to Canada, with all the requisite infrastructure, resources AND capital appears to be a fairly quick process. WTF are you talking about and furthermore WTF cares? The Trans-Canada Highway goes from shining sea to shining sea. No one is weeping over a link to the Arctic, I assure you. Unless you are a big fan of Ice Road Truckers in which case no one else is weeping.

"...at such a pace..." That doesn't mean that the capital isn't there nowadays. Of course it takes time to build investment, infrastructure, etc. But it can be easily done IF the will is there AND there is a requirement. At this point, there are few requirements when the current process works so well. In fact, I would say the capital investments, not including bailouts, almost enforce the status quo. And we have our highway system.

And rats. People have survived on much worse. I am sure with a little Sauce charcutière, rats could be palatable AND clean up the environment. Although I don't want to try it. Then, lets not forget locusts...

I was responding to your comment, which now appears to be nothing more than you waffling to try and get out of a corner. If anyone is displaying "pure" dishonesty, it is you Tim for your waffling and then trying to dodge it. Here it is again, as a reminder. I have bolded out some of the informative bits: Doesn't say anything about "postal workers" and besides, if that is what you meant, then perhaps you should have been more clear. And plenty of other private sector wages are "above market" but that is neither here nor there, because I have already told you - on several occasions, including specifics - that "government workers" - and by that I mean postal workers, file clerks, army grunts, etc. have a different set of Constitutionally driven responsibilities to go along with their "skill set." You seem to ignore this and I get you know why. Because you cherry pick. More "pure" dishonesty. Well Tim, do I need to cite the part in the Consitution of Canada that gives government responsibility over the mails? Just like it does for defence. Why not give up the "monopoly" on both Tim? Why not private defence contractors to run our military so much more cheaply than those overpaid generals? Right. So there are exceptions to your rules. Well, the government isn't having any problems recruiting postal workers, nor profiting from their hires. So I guess all is fair in your world isn't it?

From my read of the Act, which was cited above, it seems that roads, streets and any attached buildings are also considered "public works" meaning that police have the power to detain people on a street or in a public park.

I would have thought that when one runs out of power and resources, moralizing is the way to go. And with the threat of social conservatism on the horizon who needs that sort of moralizing. That this Great Praise comes from no less than Conrad Black, of all people, leaves me a little suspicious. As it turns out, moralizing is good for business: Canadian Military Exports to Israel Oh good God, I cited some crazy left-wing anti-war group research. That simply won't do. But you know what? It is pretty hard to find any information to confirm or deny this. Any one else have any luck in sourcing out the revenue generated from Canadian military exports to Israel? One would hate to think that, on the one hand Prime Minister Harper gets a nod from Conrad Black for being a world moral leader, while on the other hand, Prime Minister Harper gives the wink to some Canadian weapons being used to kill civilians.

Really? You have to ask this again Tim? You want to compare 'market benefits' against a legislated and legal responsibility? Well son, mercenaries likely get paid more than your average grunt wouldn't you say? Why should mercenaries get "special treatment" especially when so many of them got their training on our dime? Or perhaps you would like our police officers paid at the same rate as Brinks security guards. None of this welfare-state army or police for you right Tim? Next time your house is burning down, perhaps you would like to have that conversation with the group of fire-fighters who show up to put out the fire. Ask them about why they should be compensated so well by our precious tax dollars. I bet they will still put out the fire. Lucky for you eh Tim?

Really? I've seen local auto workers get busier and busier, more and MORE productive. Alas, that is anecdotal isn't it? Here, let me give you a couple of citations to back it up: Doomed GM plant is most productive - from CNN GM Oshawa plants top productivity study So the workers were more productive, the operations were streamlined, everything was going along tickety-boo and well, damn, those workers got 52 weeks of vacation. But the filthy rich at GM still got their filthy riches. Here is another citation, more or less along the lines of the thread: Canada Post recorded its 15th consecutive year of profitability

To me there is a difference between actual cost and what is budgeted. I believe the security was budgeted for a billion. Do you have any citation to show that it actually cost that much? Let's take a look at this news story from the Star: Out-of-town cops reaped millions for G20 work at least... another educated guesstimate. And where did that $676 million go Ghosthacked? Back into the economy perhaps? I am not saying it was right and I am not saying the use of the Public Works Protection Act was right. But at this point, no secret laws, no billion dollars spent. One thing is for certain however, is that there is a lot of hyperbole surrounding the whole event.