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Give it some time for this to digest. From May 2010: this guy writes that the effect of the 2006 bombings was devastating. About 1,200 Lebanese civilians were killed, which put on the US scale would be the equivalent of 90,000 Americans. And he writes: ..that's the equivalent of roughly thirty 9/11's Israel exacted on Lebanon in July and August 2006 over the course of 34 days—nearly one 9/11 a day for an entire month without relent. Incidentally, July and August of 2006 only tell a small part of the story when it comes to Israeli aggression against Lebanon. There have been decades of invasion, devastation, and occupation which predated 2006. Several thousands of Lebanese have been killed at the hands of the Israeli Defense Force. Tens of billions of dollars of damage have been levied on the Lebanese infrastructure and private and public property courtesy of the IDF over the course of decades. "Ground Zero" for Lebanon is an ever expanding, never ending, open wound that never heals. So what now Newt? Should you expect the Lebanese to allow a synagogue to be built on their Ground Zero, in the aftermath of a 9/11 that occurred 5 years after ours and which, "proportionately" speaking, was 30 times the size of ours? Well guess what you hateful, misguided, twit? THEY DID. In the process of re-building Beirut yet again, in 2008, renovations began and have now been completed on the Maghden Abraham Synagogue located in the middle of newly renovated downtown Beirut in an area known as the "Solidere" which has become the focal point and showcase of Lebanon's rebirth. This isn't some hole in the wall, nondescript, "excuse me" synagogue hidden out of view so as to not "offend" Lebanese non-Jews—this is an elaborate, ornate, beautifully designed, cathedral-style house of worship built for a Lebanese Jewish population that totals less than 500 in a country of more than 4,000,000 (in stark contrast to the eight million American Muslims living in the United States). You can read more about the synagogue here. Even Hassan Nasrallah of Hezbollah sanctioned the building of the mosque, saying his beef was not with Judaism but with Israel. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/michaeltomasky/2010/sep/07/ground-zero-lebanon The last part of the article is interesting. Nasrallah is more tolerant than Gingrich and Palin. Go figure.

I am giving you quotes from the high priest in Gaza, which you tried quoting from. He says Christians are not persecuted in Gaza and they live peacefully with Muslims. However, you say otherwise. Is there a point in continuing this with you, if you are not willing to accept facts?

I suggest you read and think before you post. Because in the previous page, something was already posted in regards to this particular murder. I will re-post the relevant information: http://www.culturalcatholic.com/ChristianGaza.htm In regards to a bookseller's murder who happened to be Christian: Father Manuel Musallam, the senior Roman Catholic priest in Gaza, doubts the attack was religiously motivated. “Rami was not only Christian,” the priest explained. “He was Palestinian. Violent acts against Christians are not a phenomenon unique to Gaza.” Immediately upon hearing of what he described as a “murderous crime,” Ismail Haniyeh, Palestine’s elected prime minister, ordered the Ministry of Interior to dispatch an investigative committee to “urgently look into the matter.” “We are all one people who suffer together for the sake of freedom, independence, and restoration of our inalienable citizenship rights,” Haniyeh said publicly. “We are waging a single struggle and refuse to allow any party to tamper with or manipulate this historical relationship [between Muslims and Christians].” This is all uncomfortable information for you too, Dancer: “My life is normal, and I’ve never felt oppressed,” said Ali Al Jeldah, a 17-year-old Christian student attending Holy Family School. “Being Muslim or Christian is never an issue,” he emphasized, adding, “I have many Muslim friends. We hang out and study together with no differences at all.” Lelias Ali, a 16-year-old Muslim who attends Holy Family School, agrees. “We have a unity of struggle, a unity of aim to live under the same circumstances,” she stated. “This land is for both of us, and being a Christian or Muslim should not separate us.” Asked if Christians in Gaza are being harassed by Hamas or the Palestinian police, all the students agreed that this is not the case. Here is more information that creates a problem with your narratives: When asked about Western media reports that Gaza’s Christians are considering emigrating because of Islamic oppression, Father Musallam sighed. “If Christians emigrate, it’s not because of Muslims,” he emphasized. “It is because we suffer from the Israeli siege. We seek a life of freedom, a life different from the life of dogs that we are currently forced to live.”

Yes. Even the NYT policy says that a family member's activities could become a conflict. Obviously, having a son in the IDF is a conflict of interest. You're an idiot for typing that.

But you still wouldn't want them to build a Muslim Cultural Centre near Ground Zero.

I am not surprised that you are coming to the rescue of someone who posts misinformation. He quoted and linked to a post that tries to show that Christians are persecuted in Gaza. The priest that has been quoted, has repeatedly said otherwise in regards to Christians living in Gaza. Here is more information that I have found on Christians in Gaza: http://www.culturalcatholic.com/ChristianGaza.htm In regards to a bookseller's murder who happened to be Christian: Father Manuel Musallam, the senior Roman Catholic priest in Gaza, doubts the attack was religiously motivated. “Rami was not only Christian,” the priest explained. “He was Palestinian. Violent acts against Christians are not a phenomenon unique to Gaza.” Immediately upon hearing of what he described as a “murderous crime,” Ismail Haniyeh, Palestine’s elected prime minister, ordered the Ministry of Interior to dispatch an investigative committee to “urgently look into the matter.” “We are all one people who suffer together for the sake of freedom, independence, and restoration of our inalienable citizenship rights,” Haniyeh said publicly. “We are waging a single struggle and refuse to allow any party to tamper with or manipulate this historical relationship [between Muslims and Christians].” This is all uncomfortable information for you too, Dancer: “My life is normal, and I’ve never felt oppressed,” said Ali Al Jeldah, a 17-year-old Christian student attending Holy Family School. “Being Muslim or Christian is never an issue,” he emphasized, adding, “I have many Muslim friends. We hang out and study together with no differences at all.” Lelias Ali, a 16-year-old Muslim who attends Holy Family School, agrees. “We have a unity of struggle, a unity of aim to live under the same circumstances,” she stated. “This land is for both of us, and being a Christian or Muslim should not separate us.” Asked if Christians in Gaza are being harassed by Hamas or the Palestinian police, all the students agreed that this is not the case. Here is more information that creates a problem with your narratives: When asked about Western media reports that Gaza’s Christians are considering emigrating because of Islamic oppression, Father Musallam sighed. “If Christians emigrate, it’s not because of Muslims,” he emphasized. “It is because we suffer from the Israeli siege. We seek a life of freedom, a life different from the life of dogs that we are currently forced to live.”

Shady. You have an excellent username, as it describes you quite well. I looked at your link to "AP", which was actually a link to some kind of blog. To give you credit, there was a supposed quote from an AP source. However, that led to a blank page. I did some search about the catholic priest, Father Manuel Musallam and found an article about looting and vandalism on a convent in Gaza. Here is part of the article: “A group of unknown people attacked, burnt and looted the nuns’ building. They destroyed everything inside and stole the computers,” Father Manuel said. “They then invade the chapel, broke the furniture, burnt the sacred images and holy books. They threw the Sacred Species to the ground and destroyed everything on their path: beds, chairs, tables, curtains, shooting at the walls and setting them on fire. Then he says: We don’t know who the thugs were because they came at night when the sisters were not present.” http://www.asianews.it/index.php?l=en&art=9601&size=A Here is a part that you're probably not going to like. That's if your attention span has allowed you to come this far in the post: Father Manuel is reluctant to talk about persecution. Instead, he said that “our relations with the Muslims are not only good, they are excellent. I don’t think what happened came from a direct order from Hamas or Fatah. In the past when the Church had difficulties, they came to our defence—for example, when there were demonstrations against the Muhammad cartoons or after the Pope’s speech in Regensburg.” As proof he said that “just this morning at least a hundred people, both Christian and Muslim, came to see me. Even Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas phoned me from Ramallah to express friendship and his strong condemnation.” “The whole Gaza community is close to us. Two Hamas minister came to visit the convent and the school run by the sisters and promised to repair all the damage. Some religious sheikhs also came today. Whoever did it was armed. The doors of the convent were knocked open with mortars. It shows how barbaric they and their attempt to make troubles between Christians and Muslims are.” You realize what you are doing here Shady? You are relaying misinformation and trying to create something that's not there. This makes you a liar and a bad person. I feel sorry for you and people like you.

You mean the US wanted to replace Saddam with an Iranian friendly government?

Are you talking about the policy law that turned out to have several incorrect statements in it? Like, Iraq possessing WMD, being a threat to the US and harboring terrorists? But yes, you are totally correct about regime change. The US accomplished replacing Saddam with an Iranian friendly government and increasing Iran's powers in the region.

Not to mention that Iran's influence on Iraq has multiplied.

Having contempt for the stupid war is not anti-American. Wanting a group of Americans to not build a place for themselves based on their religion is anti-American.

I'm sure there is a "Saudi Woman" or an "Egyptian Woman" spewing bigotry and intolerance in other parts of the world. I'm sure they're using a story like Joe the pastor wanting to burn the Koran to stereotype all Americans as hateful enemies of Islam.

Proven what? His articles are proof. Bronner has repeatedly omitted vital information in his articles. Take a look at fair.org if you want to learn more about this. Then there is the whole, son serving in the military and conflict that you are covering, thing. If you want to pretend this is not an issue, then you are, yet again, exposing your biased approach to this conflict. Can a journalist neutrally cover a conflict that his child is fighting in? That's the question posed by the news that the son of New York Times Jerusalem bureau chief Ethan Bronner joined the Israeli Defense Forces. The Times’ policies acknowledge that family members’ activities might require a journalist to “to withdraw from certain coverage” fair.org

Bronner has a child in the IDF and his coverage of the conflict has been questioned many times. Keep digging up those biased articles that feed your blatantly biased view of this conflict.

What is the follow up? After mounting pressure, Israel usually opens an investigation and the ending is usually the same. Either nothing happens or the person receives a slap on the wrist, followed up by a promotion when all is forgotten. I remember reading the article. Got to love opinion pieces which quote only Israeli officials or mouth pieces for the army. Got to also love Bronner, whose son is in the IDF and his conflict with impartiality. In the article, the following is quoted: “When we entered houses, we actually cleaned up the place,” said Yishai Goldflam, 32, a religiously observant film student in Jerusalem You gotta love Bronner.

The best we can do is to unequivocally, condemn the book burning, while continuing to champion our freedom of expression. If there are easily offended Muslims who cannot accept that this is an action of a small minority and that they do not represent America or the West, then so be it.

We're also concerned about not offending: - Jews - Disabled - Women - Overweight people - etc.

I am not surprised that American Woman gave no response to these deliberate killings by the Israeli soldiers. It's a very hasbara-bot thing to do.

Yes. It could take a very long time until the soldiers are either found not guilty or they receive a slap on the wrist and then rewarded a few months later by receiving promotions. Israeli army kangaroo courts don't count.

Yes. There you go. Nothing to see here. Let us pretend that Israeli soldiers have not deliberately killed Palestinian civilians and that you are not a bunch of hypocrites with your crocodile tears over civilian deaths.

Israeli soldiers admit to deliberate killing of Gaza civilians The soldiers’ testimonies include accounts of an unarmed old woman being shot at a distance of 100 yards, a woman and her two children being killed after Israeli soldiers ordered them from their house into the line of fire of a sniper and soldiers clearing houses by shooting anyone they encountered on sight. ... “That’s the beauty of Gaza. You see a man walking, he doesn’t have to have a weapon, and you can shoot him,” one soldier told Danny Zamir, the head of the Rabin pre-military academy, who asked him why a company commander ordered an elderly woman to be shot. ... "When we entered a house, we were supposed to bust down the door and start shooting inside and just go up storey by storey… I call that murder. Each storey, if we identify a person, we shoot them. I asked myself – how is this reasonable?" Link

Chapter 11 of the Goldstone Report Deliberate Attacks against the Civilian Population Link

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Settle down American Woman. Your over usage of emoticons and babbling is not going to win you any points. It only makes you look mentally unstable. Killing civilians is wrong. Both Hamas and the IDF have done it. Both have purposely targeted civilians. Contrary to the picture you have tried to portray, it has been concluded through several different investigations, and by the IDF soliders' own admission that the IDF has targeted and killed Palestinian civilians. Many of them. There has been cheering and celebrations on both sides for these killings. I condemn both acts. You, Bonam, Dancer and the rest of the hasbara-bots only condemn one of them. Why is that? For some reason, the killing Palestinian civilians is nowhere in your moral and ethical radar and instead of condemning it, you try to justify it.

can anyone spot Shady?