G Huxley

It's exactly what happened.

And invading Poland was considered necessary by Hitler.

In regards to 'the parliament in Egypt.' Yeah sure fake democracies have parliaments all the time to at least give some appearance of being democratic. Mubarak played that card for years. Remember China is called 'The People's Democratic Republic of China' but that doesn't make it a democracy.

I was aware of peace being a word in Islamic. Salem is also a cognate for Shalome (peace). The second part about the Shura is quite interesting, but it's still different from a Democracy, because it's tribal. Democracy as developed by the Greeks cut down the tribal aspect of the gens or clan which previously had dominated Athenian politics. It's precisely the tribal aspect that is the west's greatest inability to transfer democracy into Islamic terms. Afghanistan they at least tried it with the loya jirga, but everywhere else it has been completely beyond them.

"Admittedly, I get my information such as it is from my Egyptian brother-in-law, who is Muslim and speaks Arabic. I am going to have to ask him what the "moderate" Islamic belief around freedom and democracy is, and if there are Arabic words for those concepts." I am quite interested to hear what he says. I wouldn't hold my breath on Sisi though. The man is a dictator and democracy isn't part of his or the military's plan.

An invasion wasn't considered necessary. The 'necessary invasion' was just propaganda like Hitler said invading Poland was necessary.

Arabic is the language of Islam specifically Old Arabic aka Quranic Arabic. The results of the Arabic Spring are not spreading freedom and democracy (with one exception Tunisia where it started), but rather the increase of the power of the Islamists which don't believe in freedom or democracy. Re: Egypt the Egyptian military took power again and it's a military dictatorship as it has been since Nasser's revolution with the exception of a brief moment when the Brotherhood was elected before being overthrown.

If they wanted to get the hell out as soon as possible why did they stay for over a decade?

Yes it did it backed the syrian free army quickly and started it's anti-Assad rhetoric. The Arab Spring did start independently, but then became hijacked by the west and by the Qatari media which quickly sought to control it and use it for it's ends. The reason ISIS became a major presence controlling perhaps half of the countries' territory is due to the US' disaster in Iraq, which spilled over into Syria.

There is no words for freedom or Democracy in their language. The very word Islam means 'to submit' e.g. the opposite of freedom. To expect them to turn into a western style democracy after being invaded and occupied is criminally insane.

It's a spillover of both.

Syria hardly did anything to provoke the West. In fact it was working with them. The only problem with Syria is that it is allied to Russia and Iran. As for Iraq Saddam did squat to provoke the invasion in 2003, except I guess to try to switch to the Euro. They did destroy their infrastructure 'and the rebuilding' was simply a method to fill the coffers of companies like Becthel and Halliburton. Paul Bremer specifically set out to destroy the country's administration and military which left it to the warlords.

"They were't bombing each others mosques when I worked there....and then came "enduring freedom". But anyway, this thread is about Syria." Syria is a spillover from Iraq, so it's relevant.

"The religious hatred within Syria and Iraq tore them apart, not the West." It simply wasn't tearing the countries apart prior to the West's destabilization of them.

The West shouldn't have torn Syria and Iraq apart and then we wouldn't be facing this problem. More humans are the worst thing for the environment, but then if it was about the environment Iraq wouldn't have been invaded over oil.

I remember it. I was 7 years old at the time. It was in the election year. She did it because she claimed she was trying to show that she was 'hip' and 'modern.' Voters ended up feeling pretty nauseous leaving the conservative party with 2 seats.

Yep. It certainly didn't contribute to her victory. http://archives.radio-canada.ca/photos/med/fr/kim_campbell/kim_campbell_03_hr_fr.jpg

I just hope the liberals don't go the free trade route again and continue conservative policies with the oil sands.

Her nude photo with government garb helped.

"They aren't for strict gun control, and are actually for a review of the restricted registry. They're also against enshrining special status for Quebec in the Constitution." I differ from the Greens on this, but think the environment is far more important than either issue.

Which is what you claim the Greens to be.

What about Quebec and guns is conservative in the Green Party platform? If they are partly conservative shouldn't you be a green supporter?

Why is an environmental party not representative of the general population? What does that say about humanity?

Sure I agree that the public needs to be more directly involved in politics rather than by self serving career politicians and their parties.

PR would involve each third being represented accordingly. I like direct democracy too.