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so what you're saying is that we can equate gandhi to hitler or bush to hitler because, in the end, they drove out the group that they wanted to and it's results that matter?

you support bush.... so i guess you support gandhi. that's according to the resident poster.

i might as well have titled the thread; war crimes apologists will go to any length to try to justify and apologize for war crimes.

do i really need to show proof? why don't you wiki it like you wiki everything else. here, i'll make it easy for you. as far as "numbers" that you want; why does it matter? you said numbers don't matter. 5000 gays killed by the nazis vs 6,000,000 jews killed by nazis is pretty much the same thing. according to you that is. okay, so, considering the persecution that the homosexuals received by the nazis, you believe homosexuals and jews should receive the same level of sympathy and receive the same amount of attention. glad we could get that out of the way.

according to a resident poster, it's the same thing. your thoughts?

hey look. it doesn't matter how much you type, you're still ridiculous. you're still trying to compare gandhi and bush (or their tactics apparently). man. don't you have any shame? why do you need to post this garbage?

i'm trying to save time for the war crimes apologists.

they're nothing more than self-hating jews.

the actions of the settlers are pretty sickening. so are some of the comments. extremism fans the fires of extremism.

okay then. in your world, it has nothing to do with numbers. you believe the homosexuals should receive the same sympathy as the jews, for what happened in the holocaust. you also believes that 3 people dying should receive the same attention as 900 people dying. because numbers do not matter. i don't believe a word you've said. where have you denied it? you said it's individuals doing it and not the government. reality says something else. hamas' official reason for the rockets is israel's occupation of their land and the blockades that have been happening since hamas came to power. i don't really know if this is true, but i imagine they shoot those rockets in order to bring fear into the israeli civilians. if they're able to kill somene, i'm sure they give an extra high five. but yeah, regardless of why they do it, it's still wrong since it's targeting civilians. oh by the way, just so we're all clear, hamas was in the 3rd month of a ceasefire, where they did not fire any rockets at israel, when suddenly israel attacked and killed a group of hamas members. it was after this that hamas started firing rockets and immediately after that, israel unleashed it's american military weapons. arafat had the support of both west bank and the gaza. he was the true palestinian leader and he had accepted israel's right to exist since 1988 and then re-confirmed it at the oslo agreement. that's a pretty big step, don't you think? do you know how many settlements were dismantled during that time? do you know how much it increased by? did you know that bibi, the same guy who is PM now, put up 34 new settlements when he came to power after rabin was assassinated by a crazy zionist? did you know that the so-called left wing barak government, even though it pledged no more settlements, approved 22 outposts? after him, sharon took power and even more settlements were approved and created. this continues today. so don't give me this shit about " it's not state policy ". like it means anything. israel's actions speak louder than words. you should be honet about the israeli government and their official and unofficial policies.

countries that follow international law.

desire to kill civilians and not giving a shit about civilians dying brings the same result = civilians dying it just happens that one side killed 3 civilians and the other over 900. it just happens that the way these people were killed by both sides were well-documented and investigated and both sides were found to have committed war crimes. it just happens that the extent of one side's war crimes was a lot higher. better attack and defend means that it's okay to kill more civilians and that killing 3 civilians is far worse than the 900 civilians killed? because if you want to talk about how these people were killed, the 3 civilians killed were killed by illegal rockets that were shot at the civilian population. at the same time, the way many of the 900 civilians killed, were also found to be killed due to illegal actions conducted by the army. so the gays should be getting as much sympathy as the jews? if so, why aren't they? i don't know about you, but it seems like the holocaust is centred around the jewish victims. perhaps due to the sheer number of jews killed. what do you think? lols. sharon, the father of the settlements, the general, the defense minister, the prime minister... bibi... the prime minister who has approved and helped expand these illegal settlements... and krusty is still denying what israeli government's role in the settlements are. hamas staged an attack by israel? they staged the destruction in gaza and staged all the deaths? they sure got the media and those human rights organizations! oh that hamas! they're so good at convincing that israel is committing war crimes! right. the whole oslo thing was fake and arafat and the PLO accepting israel's right to exist was all made up. even hamas' pledge to accept the UN resolution is all made up.

meaning that you agree that it's all illegal under international law.

better tactics = killing more civilians? weird. i guess by saying that killing more civilians prevents the other side from killing more, you are equating the palestinian civilians to terrorists? interesting point of view. how about the gays? were they as much victims as the jews in world war 2? right. not a 'state policy'. it's all happening on its own and sharon is not called "the father of settlements"? what about the current PM, mr. bibi and his "none state policy settlement activities"? okay? this proves that israel did not commit war crimes? okay. all these israeli PM's and politicians have been getting rich off of the settlements.

yes. they both die, but when you have over 900 civilians dying as compared to 3 civilians, there is something disproportionate happening. were mexicans as much of victims as the jews in world war 2? something more recent? okay. how about the occupation and the settlements and their expansions? or is that not an indication that israel is not ready to let go of their dream of having control over all the land? i'm sure that's all a conspiracy theory as well and the settlements are not really happening. damn those jew hating lefties! yes. i'm sure 'the left wing jew haters' would have thought twice about the tall tales of israel committing war crimes if israel had allowed coverage of their attack on gaza. kemp, and of course you, are both brilliant. okay then. in the meantime, while they wait to approve of this 'dependable' entity, they'll just continue with the increasing of the settlements in the west bank and jerusalem. because, you know, it's all for self defense and, you know, they're bored and have nothing better to do and have to wait to have a dependable entity to work with towards peace with.

they are illegal under international law. reminds me of high school history.... about when they talked about nazi supporters' constant need to justify nazi crimes.

lols what you say is kind of funny because it's just so conflicting with the reality of the situation but then it's kind of sad because it's possible that you might actually believe it

so you're still applying the same standards and comparing israel to shitty places. ((( l o w e r _ e x p e c t a t i o n s )))

you mean mexicans should get as much recognition as the jews for what they had to go through during world war 2? is it a conspiracy theory to repeat what ben gurion has said? i would love to see that! i also would love to see less censoring from israel on their coverage of their attacks. talk to a high schooler, i'm sure they'll explain it to you. by israel finally agreeing to follow international law. or at least most of it.

eh? you mean mexicans should get as much recognition as the jews for what they had to go through during world war 2?

i'm not looking for a reception from people like you. you 4 or 5 or 6... who give a slightly varied but still extremely biased perspective of the issue are the ones trying to drown reality and honesty with your nationalism. it's not my fault that over 900 palestinian civilians were killed, thousands were injured, hundreds of palestinian homes were damaged or turned into rubble and even after the bombing has stopped the palestinians are still struggling to live a normal life due to the border blockades enforced by israel and also egypt. it's also not my fault that, on the other side, 3 israeli civilians were killed. disproportionate attacks on civilians like this, will land disproportionate coverage of the conflict. that statement is chuckle worthy. damn you amnesty international, the red cross, HRW and self-hating IDF soldiers for your proooopaaagaaaandaaaaaa! daaaaamnnn you!

violence between the two has been happening for a long time and many civilians have been killed as a result. the numbers are very disproportionate. almost as disproportionate as the 3 israeli civilians killed vs more than 900 palestinians civilians killed recently. i believe israel is going to finally come to terms that greater israel will not happen and the palestinians will have their own legitimate state. due to technology, the world has become way too small and there is only so much information from the region that can be ignored. this problem for israel is already apparent, where an israeli human rights organizations has started giving palestinians camcorders to record the abuse they go through by the hands of the IDF and the settlers. there is also the emergence of some of the arab countries, especially in the gulf, whose economic power will bring some political pressure and balance to the conflict. oh and of course the fact that palestinians are reproducing at almost double the birth rate of israel. inside israel, arab women have an average of 4 children, whereas jewish women have an average of 2.6 children. the world will not be able to stay idle for that much longer and you will see an end just like we did with apartheid south africa.

i never have. neither has my government. if you have seen me apologize for any of these 'illegal actions', by all means, quote me on it. otherwise, stfu.

no. you brush any criticism of israel under the rug; for example, amnesty's report on war crimes, red cross' report, HRW's report and even active members of the IDF. i think allegations of war crimes is a pretty serious discussion, don't you? war crime apologists assist in this continual discussion by continually denying and apologizing for the war crimes. then you have 'rabid israeli supporters' like bc2004 who wants everyone to shrug their shoulders and just accept what is happening in that region.

you're lying again but you can continue repeating that. sure i have. perhaps your attention span problem is getting in the way of picking these things up.