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your comparisons are always lacking logic and your twisting of the situation leaves one thinking: "wtf are you talking about?" are you comparing jordan's so-called occupation of the region to israel's occupation? are you comparing jordan's agenda to the zionist agenda? did jordan try to segregate? did jordan attack villages and try to drive people out? and how the heck did you get 'jordanians who have never set foot... ' from the post you made? get off the ridiculous talk already. i have no patience for stupid debates.

' so i guess you accept that your comparison was ridiculous and your argument that the russian and other european jews who migrated to israel are indigenous people of the land has been squashed. facts have once again kicked your ass and will continue to kick your ass.

in dancer world, international law, which states indiscriminate attacks on civilians and civilian buildings is illegal, doesn't apply to israel. lol?

if you think saudi and iran are easy to confuse, then you're wasting our time by making comments about the region. i guess i'm a 'left wing' because i criticize israel. is that how it works? you're a left winger if you criticize israel? does being a right winger mean that you support war crimes? anyway, you can always make israel look decent by comparing it to shitty places. interesting tactic. why don't you compare it to one of the western democracies, instead of lowering the bar?

none of the apologists wanted to touch the proof that israel used civilians as human shields and i'm sure they don't want to touch this one either:

- when is the last time there were 'terrorist attacks' that came from the west bank? - how do settlements stop terror? - how is increasing the settlements an answer to peace? you've drawn one of your few cards in the face of logic. this time, you are trying to justify illegal actions by israel by using self-defense and terror. no one buys these empty rhetoric. i rather not talk about gandhi with you. you don't deserve it. especially not after saying that support for gandhi's ideology is like supporting bush's war on iraq. i don't want to debate your altered universe.

you're ridiculous. they are children of palestinians who were either driven out or were fleeing the violence. they are not considered jordanian, egyptian or syrian by the governments that they've taken refuge in the past few decades. the russian jews who immigrated or are immigrating from russia are russians more than anything. their only tie to the region is the biblical and religious crap. not to mention the awesome handouts that they receive from the government for settling there. did you know that the settlers pay 1/4 of what the palestinians pay for water? this is water that is coming from the west bank. israel is stealing more than just land, they're also stealing water.

yes. israel exists but there is nothing wrong with visiting history to see how it came to exist and what sacrifices were made for its existence. i don't think gandhi ever thought that the zionist movement was going to be stopped, but after pressure from around the world for his backing of the jewish state, he made it loud and clear that he thought it was wrong. i'm implying that most of you probably don't celebrate xmas. do you celebrate it? because if you do, you can correct me.

have you seen the settlements and how they're spread all over the west bank, kind of like an aggressive cancer that spreads inside a body? plus, israel still has to answer to the US. they've been systematically stealing land for the past few decades. there is no way, even with the heavy israeli lobbies, israel would be able to get away with a sudden grab of everything. stop making ridiculous comments. it's all in the numbers krusty. israel's illegal settlements continue to increase and they continue to steal more land. this is another fact that you can't dispute. lol. this reminded me how you compared my respect for someone as righteous as gandhi, to support for bush's war on iraq. do you ever read what you write? is this a case of you not being able to properly express yourself or do you really believe some of the shit, like the comparison to bush and gandhi, that you type?

ah. of course. i understand what's happening here. gandhi, the righteous man, criticized the creation of israel and therefore he's off krusty's, dancer's, dop's and maybe bonam's xmas list. oh wait. i don't think they celebrate xmas. but anyway, you're reacting like this because of his view: Published in Harijan on November 26, 1938

what are you babbling about? seriously. what are you babbling about? you're losing it. do you even know what you're talking about? i think gandhi is a righteous man, so therefore i support bush and the iraq invasion? do you even read what you type? wait a second. are you DoP's other account?

i laugh too. israel doesn't want peace. not a just peace anyway. they'd settle for the palestinians living in an open air prison with no control over their so-called state and then throw in the word "state" just to say that they accept it. if you want to make fun of gandhi and call him a failure, then you truly are a sad case.

they've broken not only their own law but also international law. is the IDF some kind of an angel organization to you? you seem to be in some strange denial.

follow international law and the problem will be resolved. don't follow international law and become an apologist for that, then you have the mess we have now.

incredible. did the whole part about the IDF using civilians as human shields go unnoticed?

i'm sure i can trace my origins to people who at one point have lived all over europe and probably around the black and caspian sea before migrating to europe. that doesn't give me land rights to those areas over people who are living there now. you apologists make such idiotic arguments.

when you don't have facts and truth behind you, draw the anti-semite card. typical. just look at krusty's post. he quotes me as if he's going to respond to my post, but he goes back to his anti-semite card. this shows your weakness and dishonesty.

2.1 PALESTINIAN CIVILIANS USED AS “HUMAN SHIELDS” From the Amnesty Report - Page 58

you are ridiculous and i will tell you why. #1 - an investigation by amnesty has shown that hamas did commit war crimes, but using civilians as human shields was not committed by hamas. it was actually committed by israel. #2 - you're saying that hamas should not have hid in the towns and buildings and should have gone head to head with tanks, helicopters and planes in open air. you are ridiculous.

looks like you're really reaching. you're basically saying that a former british commander in afghanistan who has not been to gaza and who has not done an investigation knows more about what happened in gaza than an expert and reputable human rights organization who went to gaza and investigated and came up with a report that details the evidence of war crimes by both israel and hamas? okay you win, dancer..err.. dop...err.. krusty.

criticizing zionism is not racism.

who used civilians as human shields?

israel does something bad israel is criticized those who criticize israel are called anti-semites by mouthpieces this includes human rights organizations, UN resolutions, many jews, gandhi, mandela and many others.

most jews are not the indigenous people of the area. they are migrants who arrived from mainly europe, in the late 19th century and 20th century.

#1 - International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) and Canadian Red Cross Society are different. one has been given a mandate by those signatory to the geneva conventions (including israel) to protect "the victims of international and internal armed conflicts." the other worked with Health Canada to run its blood system. #2 - the blood scandal was due to canadian red cross not moving fast enough to implement a test. for you to use the canadian red cross' mistake to discredit a report by the ICRC shows how far you'll go with your dishonest style of debating. you're a war crimes apologist.