dub

i'm sure there is a person across the world saying something similar: i approve of terrorist attacks, i'm a muslim, i'll pay for my own sins. no man decide whether or not i'm muslim or not. that's between me and god." Ive done alot of wrong things in my life. And when it comes down to it what we do to protect are selves or our families often overrides are sense of righteousness. Its called survival. Its called protecting the things that matter to us.

there are the minority american christians who are against torture. not only because they ask themselves, "WWJD", but also because they know it's illegal. source

quoting carlos mencia? you've hit an all time low. are you another christian who approves of torture? wwjd?

From his signing statement ratifying the UN Convention on Torture from 1984: reagan was such a pussy, leftwing, socialist, jihad loving, unchristian, communist, towel head! dub

i don't need to define it. it has already been defined by international law and united states law.

jesus was tortured because he was against it? you're not being clear. who is at fault for the jesus torturing? jesus? romans? jews?

no? then i must be seeing things: good to know it's not someone else who is posting under your account.

looks like Borg is reacting with sensitivity to this issue and spewing out self-made statistics. like what others do around the world changes the fact that majority of american christians approve of torture. contrary to what jesus says.

WWJD

how do i know? because it has happened before. how do you know the sentence will be implemented? what does a few palestinians wanting to sell land because he's desperate for money have anything to do with all of the land being stolen by israel? can you surprise me for once and not say something ridiculous?

get some air. you're not getting it. maybe one day you'll discover the meaning of analogy and how they can be used to demonstrate a ridiculous reply to a situation. who cares and what does a sentence by the palestinian court that will never be implemented have anything to do with israel demolishing palestinian homes and stealing their land? nothing. you are ridiculous.

your response to the situation is ridiculous. just as ridiculous as the response of the man in the analogy. you're having a bad day today.

you're not clear. are you asking me to give you a citation on my analogy?

even if the sentences will never be implemented, it's a pretty shitty thing for the court to do. but yeah, wtf? imagine someone comes and kicks you out of your house, demolishes and builds a new one for himself then shrugs and says: "you were having a fight with your wife!" you are ridiculous.

wow - some people get really sensitive when israeli atrocities are mentioned. israel decides to build illegal settlements after demolishing palestinian homes on palestinian land and then i'm called a racist. this anti-semitism card is a "little" overused. especially by the intellectually challenged.

this bit of information shows that the palestinians recognizing israel will do nothing. the settlements have continued to increase under every single israeli government whether the palestinians have accepted israel and the UN resolutions or not. your plan sounds fair however, israel would never accept this plan.

Israel's secret plan for West Bank expansion Palestinians condemn 'extremely dangerous' scheme to grow settlement By Ben Lynfield in Jerusalem Monday, 27 April 2009 Israel has taken a step towards expanding the largest settlement in the West Bank, a move Palestinians warn will leave their future state unviable and further isolate its future capital, East Jerusalem The Israeli Peace Now group, which monitors settlement growth, said it had obtained plans drawn up by experts that the interior ministry had commissioned which call for expanding the sprawling Maale Adumim settlement near Jerusalem southward by 1200 hectares, placing what is now the separate smaller settlement of Kedar within Maale Adumim's boundaries. The expansion is on a highly sensitive piece of real estate that both sides see as holding the key to whether the Palestinians will have a viable state with their own corridor between the north and south parts of the West Bank.

you're correct rue. if hamas wants any kind of peace deal, they should formally accept israel's right to exist as according to the 1967 UN resolution. it's too late to turn the clock back to 1940's when a few countries decided that israel would be formed without the permission of those who live in that land. my question to you, rue, is, do you think that israel should be held accountable for their actions? because the current israeli government has vowed to never allow a palestinian state. they also give lip service and play a rhetorical game, don't you think? not only the promise to never allow a palestinian state, but they continue to increase the settlements in the west bank which also undermines peace. the internationally recognized illegal settlements is one of the biggest obstacle in a fair and just peace. fyi: Likud's vote against statehood has handed its Arab enemies a gift Israel's right-wing Likud party has no greater enemy than Yasser Arafat. And yet it has just done him a favour. Palestinian officials have long argued that, no matter what Israel's spokesmen say, the government of Ariel Sharon has no intention of allowing Palestinians to establish a state. Why else, they say, would Israel's armed forces have done so much to destroy the fledgling institutions of statehood during their invasions of Palestinian towns? Now the Likud, which Mr Sharon founded, has added weight to their case by passing a resolution saying that there should never be a Palestinian state west of the Jordan river. Palestinians reacted with public outrage to the resolution. It was passed with overwhelming support in the early hours of yesterday (local time) by Likud's central committee

eh? what does that mean? the settlements are supported by the government of israel. it's one of the biggest issues in this conflict, if not the biggest. it sounds like you're trying to sweep this big problem under the rug while even trying to blame it on the palestinians.

the PLO recognized israel's right to exist in 1993. you should read up on your history before coming in here with "a plan".

they 'could', but the western governments around the world no longer would be able to support israel. israel would not be able to get away with more than the few thousands kills a year. even israel's powerful PR and lobby machine would not be able to sell israel's actions beyond what they're doing now. without western governments' blessing, israel would not be able to continue to survive. the PLO recognized israel and its right to exist. they also agreed to the 1967 UN border. what has israel done besides continue to increase the illegal settlements and continue to break international law? these settlements continue to grow in the west bank today. this is your first time you've acknowledged this. good on you. this goes back to the previous point; if israel was serious about recognizing and allowing a palestinian state to form, they would have done it by now. their actions have been different. the PLO, at least, accepted israel and the UN resolution. israel has not.

you think they would be able to get away with "killing every single palestinian"? what a silly thing to say. there you go pretending that israel has been in a long battle with hamas. hamas has been in power for less than 10 years. their first attack inside israel was in 1994 that claimed 9 deaths. the attack was done in retaliation to an attack by an israeli 2 weeks earlier that killed over 39 people (palestinians claim 52 people). the occupation and the killing of palestinians has been happening for way longer than hamas' short history. what about all the other decades that israel killed palestinians and continued to annex their land? thanx for the announcement and setting things straight, but my points still stands; you are not here to have an open and honest debate. you're here to push your agenda by repeating selective information, half-truths and lies.

israel always uses an excuse not to negotiate and continues to do things unilaterally. this has been happening for 40+ years. certainly a lot longer than the time hamas has been around. do you support the settlements that israel continues to expand, despite them being illegal under international law?

those may be true, but i'm not sure why you refuse to acknowledge the other side of the coin: - likud, israel's prime minister's party has voted to never allow a palestinian state - israel continues to build illegal settlements despite international law and even bush's peace plan which israel agreed to - israel refuses to negotiate with hamas just like hamas refuses to negotiate with israel those who want to engage in an honest debate, try to acknowledge the wrong and rights on all sides. unfortunately you're displaying that you're not here to engage in an open and honest debate. look at the numbers and see which side has killed more innocent civilians. that again proves the point that you refuse to acknowledge the truth and are simply here to push your agenda.