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I suggest you get your facts straight donkey. Nouvelle France consisted of Canada, Acadia, and Louisiana. Noevelle France was established/discovered in 1604 (Quebec is celebrating 400 years) you may have heard about that. In 1759 Nouvelle France fell under British Control. The Acadians of Acadia (formerly Nova Scotia) were all deported to Louisiana. Canada and those of Canada who were actually known as Canadians (not Canadiens) fell under British occupation. Canada in its origins, is French, not English.

The only others I am saying should pay our way is the foreign buyers of this Oil. Your answer is unpatriotic to your fellow Countrymen. You sir are a traitor. traitor (Canadian who Panders to the Interest of the Oil Companies or Foreign Governments) 2. a person who commits treason by betraying his or her country. and a whore To compromise one's principles for personal gain.

my hatred??? I speak facts and I know what it means to struggle with identity and who and what you are. Quebec has a history, a history of occupation. Quebec and those of Quebec have endured english propoganda every step of the way. Those of Quebec have been on the short of end of the stick on political forces that have shaped this Country. The Fact is, Canada is in a period of immolation, and I doubt this immolation is going to reverse itself. If France can extend a passport to shield those of Quebec this immolation they should.

With a handle like Canadien its hard to place your origins but your opinions speak and scream of an anglo english briton tory subject.

Actually, those of Canada is not good enough for Canada. Canada has increased it's population by 50% since 1980 through immigration. Canada's population in 1980 was 20 million, today it's around 34 million. With the Conservative government's policies on Foreign work permits and allowing foreign students of post secondary programs to work in Canada after they graduate will further dilute what it means to be "of" Canada. For the French of Canada to be held hostage to the age old hate of English Canada is far to long overdue. It is within France's means to provide this leg up to those of Quebec and they should.

With the cultural immolation of Canada it would be a good idea to preserve Canadian history. Canada recognizes multiple passports. If France wants to issue passports to those of French/Canadian/Quebec ancestory bring it forward. France is not a stand alone nation anymore. Its apart of the European Union. Access to France and the EU for travel and employment is an asset. Anyone who goes to Europe for Employment opportunites will have have the resources to put money back into Quebec. This money could be in the form of a vacation property or second homes - whatever. The fact is, Modern day Canada, and Modern Day Canadians are an ignorant lot. At this juncture of history there is no need to hold the French of Quebec hostage. If France can bring solace to this evolutionary struggle, they ought to do it.

From here on out I am going to cross reference your attitudes with the following defininations to determine where you are categorized. All definitions from Dictionary.com patriotism (You put the interest and needs of your Country over others) devoted love, support, and defense of one's country; national loyalty. imperialism (American or Other National) 1 The policy of extending a nation's authority by territorial acquisition or by the establishment of economic and political hegemony over other nations. 2 The system, policies, or practices of such a government. traitor (Canadian who Panders to the Interest of the Oil Companies or Foreign Governments) 2. a person who commits treason by betraying his or her country. whore (Oil Companies, Government Workers involved with the Oil Companies) To compromise one's principles for personal gain.

As someone who is ancestorally both English (Grandfather direct from England) and French of Canada. I know this area quite profoundly. After reading through the various posts It is quite obvious most of you know shit about what you are talking about or know shit about history. I wholeheartedly agree with the quote starting this thread. If France wants to sponsor passports for those of Quebec/Canadian/French Ancestory bring it Forward. Where do I get one. Her aspirations are fitting with the Historical Evolution of Canada. Getting such a passport would open up travel and Employment opportunities anywhere in the EU. Honestly, I do not see why those of french ancestry should be held hostage to the hate and the ignorant. They should not be deprived the path to a happy and fullfulling life in Quebec/France or elsewhere in the EU. Fact is, if it were not for the original "Canada" there would not be an Independent United States. France funded and provided the muscle to bring forward an independent United States. Read History! I know how those on this Forum Roll so I expect relentless attacks. That's ok, I will enlighten the ignorant.

This is shocking? After nineteen you are considered a mature student. Most colleges will bend over backwards to get you enrolled. You must be trying for a high demand program like a commercial pilot or something. Pick something more realistic.

In case you haven't been following the News, Newfoundland has oil of its own. It's only a matter of time before that oil is being pumped out. Not only does nfld have oil they have a refinery that snc lavalin (The same vultures that own the 407) was pushing into bankruptcy but backed off for some reason. With this reality, nfld should not have to pay for imported oil or gasoline for that matter. With this reality, should those in Newfoundland be paying world oil prices for this oil? This is rhetorical as I already know the attitudes of those on this thread.

Point would be to drive the prices down. Oversupply = lower price. http://www.flickr.com/photos/nfaridi/2449095474/ Somebody took this in Saudi Arabia, They are paying 47 cents a litre. Your whole defense of why Canada should pay world prices for its own oil is garbage.

It sounds like our real problem is that we don't have the refining capacity to redress the demand of Canadian Consumers. However, passing such a law would likely go a long way in fixing this situation. So you think such a law is stupid and you are ok with Canadians paying world prices for their own oil. With a Canadian like you, who needs enemies. A few bucks here or there makes no difference. Canadians shouldn't being paying world/retail prices for their own oil. There is such a thing as wholesale prices...(you might want to look that up) You're certainly a devil's advocate. Send him, my regards, when you meet up with him.

Was 50% not so long ago They borrowed it. The US treasury has nothing to give you back. If You are running deficits How does that work. Must be American math. You are so funny. Yes, we are paying more for alot of things. We always have but that doesn't make it right. Hate to break it to you, but that's where people spent their welfare checks. LOL, They expect a million homes a year for the next 4 years to be foreclosed upon. The United States economy is being strangled by rising gas prices. So 60 million chinese buying the SUV's and driving around on subsidized gas is not hurting the United States? That's a small number to you? So who is changing their "lifestyles", the chinese middle class or the Americans. Last time I checked GM threw thousands out of work and cutting production of their SUVs. Americans can't wait to buy fuel efficient cars. Can that be said about the Chinese. No, life's good for them. Their economy is still growing gang busters and they are driving the SUV's you can't afford. Funny thing, the middle class in china just got bonuses. They were happy with the unexpected surge in orders from walmart.

It's called world influence buddy. The United States Income relative to the rest of the world has been shrinking. They have been running deficits for years. They borrowed to issue rebate/welfare checks. Yes, I can see how a dullard such as yourself would call the premise of this thread stupid. So what you are saying is that I am stupid because I say implement the same laws as the United States. So If I am stupid to you that would also make the United States stupid in your mind as well. Whatever you say comrad.

Newsflash honey, The American GDP only accounts for 24% of the worlds economy. That means the world would get along just fine without you. Your Country corporate scams/fraud shows what to expect from America. Hurt who me personally or Canada? We will both survive. Canada is sustained because of its resources. All those government tit suckers will still get their pay checks and buy those chinese imports. These tit suckers will continue to prosper even if oil is pushed to $200. They will have the money to live the Aristocratic American Middle Class Idealism. Personally, I can say what I want, it's called freedom of Expression. Protected by the Charter. Deal with it. Economically, to late. In case you haven't noticed scores of people are being thrown out of work. Because when the tough gets going, that's what american companies do! It's not a company giving you the rebate check, it's the US treasury. That's a Huge difference. If it comes from the government, it's welfare. You call me dumb ass, hahhahahhhhahhahha. Ironically, the Americans spent their rebate/welfare checks predominately at walmart. Where does walmart get its products: CHINA!!! Yeah, looks good on you, tards. Give China more money, so the emerging "middle class" can buy more subsidized gas/oil being bought from Canada. In turn driving up world oil prices and costing the US more to buy the 1 million and half barrels of oil they are bringing in from Alberta. So ya, you got rebate/welfare checks which has only put the US more in debt, deflated the currency, and ironically pushed up the cost of gas at the pumps. Yep, walks like a duck, talks like a duck, its a duck. !!!!!!!DUMB ASSES!!!! Stupid is, what stupid does. Go ahead issue more rebate checks and give china more money. When you get your heads out of your ass and recognized you are competing against the minds of 68 million people you will graple the gravity of the situation. The chinese have to be smarter, they have a trillion and half american dollars in their possession. The have a rising emerging middle class, the aristocratic american dream. This middle class is perched on the shoulders of Walmart and any other major company who uses china to outsource their work and import their goods into the United States. The middle class of china is laughing at the United States.

Do you even understand what communism is? Let's look at china's communism. 68 million people are members of the red party. To get into this party is somewhat of a feat. This party runs the economy, passes the laws, and dictates how and where you live. The billion plus other people jump to their skipping rope. Think of communism as one big evil corporation with a pool of slaves to do all its work. The task masters are rewarded with the American/middle class idealism which is taking away american jobs and driving up oil prices. Screw you, you imperialist commie dog. You would like nothing more for people to continue to roll over while the corporations stick it to the American and Canadian people. People have a vote and we can pass laws. As I am on a thread suggesting we do as the Americans and pass the same law. A law that would benefit Canadians in general. Is a work of democracy pal! Got that commie

What is wrong with this picture? Canada/Alberta sells 1 million barrels a day to china at world prices $140. China turns around and subsidizes the price of oil for its citizens. http://www.autobloggreen.com/2008/04/23/ch...hile-govt-want/ This blogger says $3.00 US a gallon, some say lower. The fact is, china is subsidizing oil! Because of low fuel prices the so called "emerging middle class" as the North American Elitist like to coin themselves are now buying the gas guzzling SUV's. This further drives up fuel consumption and the demand for China to buy oil. If this trend continues, expect $10 dollar a gallon gasoline for the American people. Continueing imports from china is equivalent to telling your kids to not light fires but you give them matches to play with. The American people and the world is giving the chinese the means to drive up gasoline prices. Who's selling 1 million barrels to china? Canada's oil companies! At $140 dollars a barrel. Who's subsidizing the so called emerging middle class in China: The American beotch and the greed of Alberta. So as these Chinese live a more elaborate middle class livestyle, more more American's are pushed out of it as their jobs are shipped to lower cost countries. What the chinese don't understand about the so called American idea of "middle class" is those who propogate it are imperialistic aristocratic pigs. They have an elitist mindset and think they are so much better than everyone else. I would have to say the government tit suckers certainly fall into this "class" of people. These so called elitists have made work something to be ashamed of doing. If you "work" to earn your money you are somehow lower on the corporate heirarchy and treated accordingly. This American/middle class idealism will push China's thirst for oil. Who's going to pay for this. YOU STUPID DUMB ASS F'CKING AMERICANS! YOU will pay for idealism at the pumps. AS A CANADIAN WHY THE F'CK SHOULD I PAY FOR THE IDEALISMS OF THE UNITED STATES!! The US sees no wrong in issuing rebate/welfare cheques to Every American. The US sees no wrong in talking about issuing energy rebate/welfare checks to help with the rising cost of energy. If this is not socialism, what is???? The US sees no wrong in having a law requiring all oil produced in the US to be made available to the US for use. For Canada not to do this for Canadians is Hypocritical. IT'S TIME CANADIANS PASS THE SAME LAW. A law to put the needs of Canadians before the needs of the Imperialistic Americans and the Communist Chinese who wants to become the mirror of the United States (only they are smarter!)

http://www.expressnews.ualberta.ca/article.cfm?id=6635 1 million and half barrels a day going to the US. Wow. Bend over America, Alberta is really sticking it to to you. $140 a Barrel oil. Cost of getting the $37. 1.5 million * $103.00. The oil sands companies are making 150 million dollars a day in profits just from the US. Must be nice. Wait, aren't those American and foreign owned oil companies? Translation, profits of no benefit to Canada.

Really? If supply is tightened what does that do for prices? I'll wait for your brainiac response. Oh BTW there is talk by Barack to issue energy rebate checks. Hmmm, sounds like more welfare checks to Americans. So as Americans continue to get rebate checks and Canada's oil at the same price we are subsidizing American consumption. No talk about Canadians getting rebate checks but that's ok as long Alberta plays whore to the United States. Obviously, you are an American on a Canadian Board. Go back to your to your own board donkey.

Do you want to split hairs when the US sub prime debacle was elaborate scheme to defraud world investors by packaging and selling this debt as safe investments. How about Enron? Face it the US the US is biased and one sided. There is the US and the rest of the world. Hey, all I am saying is pass the same law. If we pass the same law as the US, we are nationalizing but the yet the US isn't. Makes no sense. The point is, why should I be subsizidizing world demand for oil.

The After posts decided to jack this thread and talk about the Liberal Green Shift plan among other things. Threads always get jacked off topic to obfuscate the points. 1/ My point is Canadians are subsudizing the cost of oil to the rest of the world. 2/ The US has laws in place to have oil produced in the US to be made available to the US. Nafta is obviously ok with this law. 3/ Natural gas/hydro once upon a time had their returns regulated. The oil sands are so beyond profitable they are outright gouging every Canadian. The only way to reign in this gouging is to regulate the return on each barrel of oil sold to Canadians. Why should Canadians not benefit from the Natural Resources of Canada? At the same time providing employment and a real rate of return to the oil sands. That is how companies such as Enbridge, Transatlantic gas grew to be large companies. 4/ Once Canadians are getting their oil from the Oil sands (and it is Canada's oil!) at a realistic per barrel rate of say $45 per barrel by all means talk about placing a carbon tax at the pump. NEW POINT!!! Because the media, environmentalist, and pandering politicians are so bent on ruining peoples lives with ways to jack up gas prices they inadvertantly are turning Ontario into a welfare province. The amount of jobs lost in Ontario because of the run up in oil and gas prices is astronomical. If this were not recipe enough for Ontario's fall, Ontario's fall is further accelerated by a Canadian dollar being pushed up in Tandem with Oil prices. The point that is lost on the media and the politicians is Ontario is/was a huge commuting province. Scores of people in Southern Ontario commuted to work. Commuting creates automotive jobs! commuting creates automotive service jobs. commuting requires gas, insurance, and plates which TAXES are paid on Income which is required to cover these Expenses!!! Think about it. If people are not working, they are not paying this extra tax!!!! The amount of Income tax and gas taxes paid by the Ontario Commuter has been crushed by the greed of Alberta, the stupid media, and the dumb ass politicians. The ontario commuter will return as the world brings a viable alternative to gasoline to power vehicles. Whether that be electric or whatever. Ontario I am sure will remember.

Am I missing something?? Are you Canadians? If so, who are you for subsidizing? Canadian demand or subsidizing world demand? If Nafta is ok with the US law requiring all oil produced in the US be available to the US for use then it would have to be OK if Canada had a like law in place. Is it our fault the US is a glutonous consumer of oil and in spite of this law would still require the importing of oil? We export oil. That is a fact. Other countries who export oil, look after their own needs first. Not doing so, is subsidizing the true cost of oil. Who is subsidizing world oil prices? Canadians! Back in the day The government use to regulate the returns of Natural Gas/Hydro Utilities. Maybe it was 10%, who knows? If the government could regulate the returns back in those days, why could the government not regulate the returns being made on Oil being sold to Canadians!!!!! Sometime ago, I heard the Oil sands required $37 dollars a barrel to break even. Ok, be generous and allow them to sell this oil to Canadians for $45 dollars a barrel. Certainly, better than $140. Think about this for a second, Canadians are lining the oil companies pockets on each Barrel to the tune of $103 a barrel. How exactly is the average Canadian benefiting from this excess price we are paying? Zippo. The fact is world consumption outstrips demand. This is not going to change. If Canadians consumed more of its oil at $45 dollars a barrel, that would drive the world oil price for a barrel to compensate for the difference being paid by Canadians. Maybe the world price would be pushed up to $200, Be sure of it (Regardless, its being pushed that way anyway!); but that is not Canada's or the Canadians problem is it? [!!At the moment it is!!] What would occur instead of Canada/Canadians subsidizing world prices, the world would be then be subsidizing Canadian prices. The oil companies will make up the money on world oil prices instead of making the easy money and taking it from Canadians. If you are Canadians, I find your lack of good spirit/will towards fellow Canadians quite disturbing. Back in the day, you all would be stoned/hung for treason. What you are doing is pandering to the interest of OIL companies and foreign companies. If that your allegiance, move! You are no Canadian but a traitorous whore. If after getting the oil sold to Canadians at $45 succeeds, by all means slap a Carbon tax on at the pump and use this money to fund projects. For F'sakes stop subsidizing world prices at Canadians expense!

Ok smart ass what is meant by "fiscal imbalance"

Are you some kind of idiot?

Vietnam I thinks has slapped an export tariff on rice. a lot of commodity producing countries are starting to slap export tariffs on their commodities. Whynot? Why should countries give away their resources for corporate/country greed.