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So, it's better to be a dead conservative than a living socialist? If you're willing to die for a political ideology, that's got to be the pinnacle of fanaticism!

You're welcome! There are dozens of them out there, but what really burns me about groups like CARM and Answersingenesis, is that they make no bones about promoting the cut and paste method of debate. They are not interested in educating their audience beyond familiarizing them with locating pre-packaged rebuttals and flimsy creationist arguments. Talkorigins has responses to creationist and I.D. arguments, but there are sources directing the reader to find more in-depth information, so that the reader can have more than a rebuttal to bad creationist arguments, but may develop a greater degree of scientific literacy....something that is really badly needed these days.

From what I've read, Air America wasn't planned very well right from the start. The first problem they had is that deregulation of radio and TV broadcasting allowed a handful of companies to swoop in and buy up virtually every independent station across the Country. Air America's owners didn't have a lot to choose from when they started up. And they got into some bad PR disasters with moves such as buying up a number of small black, inner city radio stations....so, they lost whatever black audience they could have found with those kind of moves. And most of the people they hired -- like Al Franken, and Jeaneane Garafalo, had no experience in radio. As I recall, Randi Rhodes was the only one of their original lineup who actually was doing a radio talk show when Air America first started. And this isn't just about advertising dollars and market share -- when it comes to motivations, the right wing corporate owners of most of the radio stations are in it for reasons that go beyond making money. For example, the largest one -- Premiere Radio Network, has dozens of conservative radio programs syndicated across their a.m. stations, like Limbaugh, Hannity and Glenn Beck, but no liberals or non-rightwing fanatics doing newstalk shows. The most successful liberal/progressive talk show host -- Thom Hartmann, beats Limbaugh in many urban major markets, even though his syndicator is carried by lower power a.m. stations. Like the Koch Brothers, the owners of most of America's a.m. stations are in it for more than the money! The talkers they carry, promote their conservative business agenda, and they are willing to lose money on them for propaganda purposes alone. The programs on the left of the political spectrum have to pay their own way...the right talkers stay on even if they're losing money for the company! College radio programs that discuss politics are certainly a lot further to the left than what's on commercial radio. They seem to go out of their way to carry programming that is not offered on commercial radio. For example, I noticed when I started collecting podcasts a few years ago, that most of the atheist and secular humanist programs were coming from college radio stations. During the off hours, local radio stations will give time away cheap to religious broadcasters; but they sure as hell don't offer a similar deal to atheists or humanists. Bottom line is Rupert Murdoch was willing to lose half a billion dollars on the Fox News Channel before it started turning a profit. And just like radio, the problem here is that someone on the left, like Thom Hartmann, is going to say a lot of things that corporate owners and advertisers don't want to hear. Criticizing globalization, the growing legal power of corporate citizens, corporate ownership of politicians and the political system, are not themes that the Murdochs and Kochs want to give a forum to, even if they can make a dollar on it!

Yes, but those old Tories weren't on the side of Jesus back when Mulroney brought nationalists like Bouchard on board to break the Liberal monopoly in Quebec. Seriously, I'm inclined to believe that the new Harper Conservative Party is going to calculate that there are more votes to be won by bashing Quebec among the anti-French segment of every other province, than there is in trying to win back seats lost in Quebec.

And where were these Tea Party activists when George Bush doubled the national debt? And put two wars, a seniors prescription plan, and tax cuts for the rich on the lay-away plan? Funny that they weren't mobilized to do something about government spending until a black guy took over the Whitehouse. And, not that our national healthcare plans are perfect -- but, where the logic of the uprising against the watered-down Obamacare Plan falls apart, starts with the fact that Americans spend twice as much on healthcare costs than Canada and most other OECD nations, and don't even provide complete coverage! Over 15% of the U.S. adult population has no health care insurance, and these are usually the unhealthiest segment of the population...which is why private insurance companies cut off their insurance. With all the problems our Medicare systems have, the U.S. system of providing government insurance for old people, government hospitals for veterans, and leaving the majority to fend for themselves among private insurance and hospital management companies, is by far the worst way to run health care. And the U.S. has been trying to introduce national healthcare since the time of FDR. It was hard enough to get a national plan for seniors (which then Governor Reagan called "communist"), and have been continually set back by the special interests who profit from the dysfunctional health care system....and that is still the case today, and it's no surprise that health insurance companies, pharmaceutical manufacturers, and private hospital corporations have a vested interest in keeping the system as it is, even as more and more Americans join the ranks of the uninsured. If a government dept. has their budget cut, then they have to cut costs, which may often include cutting services, that has no relation to background problems of declining resources and climate change. I'm curious to hear something from the conservative bastions down south that were hit by category 4 and 5 tornadoes last month...and whether their Governors are still so adamant about cutting taxes and reducing the role of government where they live! Alabama may have payed the price in lives lost, since their State Government cut the budget for weather services that provided early warning radar installations of approaching storms...and shortened the warning time for people who needed to flee before that giant tornado cut through on its way to Birmingham. A lot of libertarian-types have become so full of themselves, and their own capabilities, that they've lost sight of why a commons is created in the first place. The only thing they seem to want as part of the commons is military and war-making. World population growth is fast approaching the level where large scale die-offs in the population are going to occur. World grain production is right on the edge of full capacity right now, thanks in large part to the increasing instability of weather over the last several years. Droughts and floods are causing grain prices to spike to levels that cause starvation and foment revolution, civil wars and migrations. If large parts of the world are going through a collapse due to famine and starvation, the repercussions are going to find their way here thanks to global communications, globalization, nuclear weapons, and terrorism. Taking steps to halt population growth and reduce world population would be the sensible step....but, that doesn't seem to be the course the world is following. Set aside your complaints about government, my point is that the sociological evidence is showing that personal well-being is only improved by increased economic prosperity to a limited level. Once a society is able to provide enough food to eat, and some of the comforts of life, the crucial aspect of well-being is the relative equality of the society. The more unequal people are, the more the social fabric is frayed, and there is less trust, less sense of community, more crime, more physical and mental illness....pretty much everything that's bad increases as societies become increasingly unequal...and once a society is beyond a certain level, per capita income has no relationship to well-being...comparing the U.S. and Costa Rica would be a prime example. http://www.equalitytrust.org.uk/why/remedies

Free market fundamentalism is based on ideology, not reality. The market is supposed to be some kind of absolute arbiter that punishes and rewards according to merit....just like the rightwing God apparently! According to the religion of free market fundamentalism, wealth is bestowed on those who deserve it, and they must be unencumbered by taxes and regulation to do whatever the hell they want with it. Likewise, those who are poor, are in poverty because they are lazy and unmotivated to improve their condition in life. This simple, fundamentalist religion removes any reasons to develop any further understanding of social problems, such as racism, poverty and their correlation with crime, incarceration, drug abuse etc.. No surprise that this religion is popular among those who would like to ignore social problems. Here's the reality of what freemarket fundamentalism has brought us: Rising Income Inequality in the US: Divisive, Depressing, and Dangerous The graph showing the % of total income received by the top 10% of income earners, shows that the U.S. is now surpassing the inequality levels of the Roaring 20's and Great Depression era. Rising inequality correlates with declining social mobility that most Americans (even liberals) are blithely unaware of. One economist said recently: "if a young American wants to live the American Dream, he or she would be better served to move to France or Sweden." Income inequality has not been as exhaustively researched as studies from the U.S. or England, but the pattern looks the same, and if anything, is growing faster, and the middle class is shrinking quicker here than in the U.S. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/how-paying-peoples-way-out-of-poverty-can-help-us-all/article2011940/ Income inequality -- especially rapidly increasing inequality creates envy, resentment and hostility within a society, so it should be no surprise now that our politics has become as nasty and divisive as American politics has since the middle class started collapsing 30 years ago.

Did they really? The latest numbers I could find...from the National Post no less, show the Conservative Party with more than twice the campaign donations of the Liberals, Bloc, and NDP combined. They broke the rules on third party spending, and so called "in-and-out" transfers of campaign donations to riding associations in the last two elections; along with other areas of fraud committed by the Harper Government, what credibility do they have regarding working within the rules of the Federal Accountability Act? http://www.dwatch.ca/camp/RelsMay0411.html Who finances the constant stream of attack ads that have run for the last four years in between election cycles? First it was the attack ads against Stephan Dion, and then it was Michael Ignatieff, when he became Liberal leader. The Conservative campaign has been running non-stop since 2006, and now that they have their majority, Harper will do whatever is in his power to turn Canada into a one party state.

The Evolution section claims to have answers to refute all the evidence from the physical sciences that contradict young-earth creationism. It would be hilarious if it wasn't for all the people who actually accept it as the final word on the subject...enjoy: How would you suggest we control the population in the near future? The Second Law of thermodynamics and the theory of evolution Why is the biblical creation myth right? What did Charles Darwin say about the human eye? What about the 'creeping' things and Noah's Ark? Why are there still simple life forms if life evolves from simple to complex? Why did Neanderthal Man die out? From the evolutionary standpoint, how could the human brain evolve? Why should evolution be taught in school? Was Noah's Ark possible? What about the evolution of the horse? Are scientists actually observing macroevolution in bacteria? Why would the dolphin evolve on land and then return to the sea? On what grounds is the statement "mutations are not beneficial" made? What is the Gap Theory? Did men and dinosaurs live together? Is carbon dating reliable? What about the species procreating after Noah's Ark? Can you explain the biogeographical distribution of species? Why are there so few human fossils from the flood? Are evolution and adaptation different?

When I get a link, I like to go to the site's homepage and wander around a bit, if I have the time. More often than not, creationist and other rightwing Christian sites are stacked with poorly sourced, but concise little articles to spoonfeed their fundamentalist guests that are desperately looking for information to maintain their faith, and to spam forums and blogs with, to make it appear that there are actually scientific arguments for a divine creation 6000 years ago. At the CARM website, they're not even subtle about it - all the fundamentalist drone has to do is go to the subheading: Cut and Paste Information and spam away across the internet!

But, we weren't there in the cage with GSP, so it's typical armchair athlete stuff. We don't know how much his vision was affected, but we do know that there are a lot of dummies in MMA who just react to the crowd and what their managers tell them in the corner. A losing fighter may get cheers from a crowd, but he has to go back to square one every time he loses a fight. From the clip I seen of the later rounds, it looked like GSP was using that looping, overhand right to draw out Jake's guard, more than it was hoping to get lucky and score a knockout. He used that punch as bait for a couple of takedowns. One thing that took away from the fight is further confirmation that those grappling gloves are a menace, and need to either be abolished or altered to make them safer for the fighters. Alot of MMA fighters are getting permanent eye injuries because they are so small, and fight the hand so tightly that it is possible to get a knuckle into an opponent's eye socket. When I saw pictures of GSP's eye after the fight, I thought for sure it was from a thumb (which is the other issue with these gloves) -- but, instead it looked pretty clear that Jake Shields was able to get into St. Pierre's eye with a straight jab. If this kind of thing is permitted and Dana White does nothing about it, more and more of the better MMA fighters in the UFC need to take collective action....as Tito Ortiz tried to do a couple of years ago. It's not just about the money, and the number of fights that Dana White makes the champions take, there are a number of safety issues that are cutting careers short. If the worst case scenario happens, like GSP having a detached retina over this, that would end his career, and he would not be able to fight anywhere ever again. Those early fights were fun to watch, but there were alot of fighters who suffered permanent, serious injuries afterward. Not many people really cared at first, because aside from Royce Gracie and Ken Shamrock, they were all unknowns, so no one cared where they went or what happened to them afterward. They were lucky there were no deaths in the cage in some of those fights, and that's why they had to keep adding more and more rules with each tournament.

Well, I'm going to give you my take anyway! Removing the vote subsidy...which Harper will almost certainly do, will leave Canada with a two party duopoly, like the U.S., and most countries that have kept first-past-the-post systems. Canada has been an anomaly for decades, having three national parties competing for votes. The Bloc is not the only party endangered by the removal of the vote subsidy; every other minor party - including the Greens, and the Liberals, will not have the resources to mount credible election campaigns. While the Conservatives have the big money! Money they freely have thrown around with continual out of season campaign ads against Liberal leaders - Dion and Ignatieff. No other party can compete with a 365 day Conservative campaign now...and this was Harper's no.1 goal from the start. Canada's future is a corporate-funded Conservative Party, vs. a union (what's left of it) funded NDP. As for Quebec Separatism - I would say it is a greater likelihood now that the Conservatives have become the natural governing party without needing any representation in Quebec. Harper, being a political strategist above all else, will likely see more political points available to score with by appealing to anti-Quebec voters that are already close to the Conservative base, then paying political capital to court Quebec votes.

You have an unfounded faith in the market...that the market is always right, and will reward workers based on the merits and value of their work. Not that I accept this yardstick to begin with, but the point that you and a lot of professionals and skilled workers missed 20 years ago when they bought this line of thinking, was that most work can now be outsourced to cheaper and cheaper locations, driving down everyone's wages and standards of living. When free trade started, they told us:'don't worry, it's just the low skilled, highly intensive manual labour jobs that are going to go to Mexico.' But, over the last 20 years, there are a lot of people who thought they did not need to cooperate with their fellow workers and bargain collectively with employers, have suddenly found themselves working at Tim Hortons, or similar low-paying service jobs, as more manufacturing, and even the smart jobs in IT and computer software design have moved to India. Say goodbye to what's left of the middle class if Harper uses his new majority to carry out his wish list....which, based on past behaviour, he will likely do!

He seen alot, and I wonder if he seen any improvement in modern times, since it is even easier now for egotistical leaders to start senseless wars they don't know how to back out of! When I was in highschool, our hallway monitors were a couple of WWI veterans. They, and most of the Great War veterans that I ever had the chance to talk to, did not like to talk much about the War, except for the loose consensus that they mostly felt ignored and disrespected as the politics and pop culture of my time were mostly reliving the glory of WWII. They had come from a time when criticizing leaders, especially regarding decisions like going to war, just wasn't done....but if you talked to them long enough, you got to hear about the senselessness of war, and the leaders who were quick to march young men off to war for no clear purpose. Most of the veterans were the survivors of battlefield carnage, and some wondered why most of their friends died over there, while they returned home to restart their lives. We knew the day would come when the last Great War veteran was gone; now, there are no more eyewitnesses left to teach future generations, and all we have are the books and written accounts to base our opinions on.

Yeah right! Seems like the next stupid conservative strategy imported from American Republicans is to attack public service unions! Never mind the corporate fatcats who are shipping jobs to China and Indonesia, focus your rage on federal government workers...because they still have union benefits which are disappearing in the private sector with each new announcement of a factory closure. Canada's rich getting richer faster Top 3.8% of households control 67% of Canada's wealth, study says And let me guess -- the benefits of allowing deregulated corporations to pay lower taxes will trickle down to us! This was a plausible argument 30 years ago, but after 30 years of supply side economic theory, all that has happened is the rich have gotten richer, while everyone else has stalled or become poorer as jobs are exported to countries where it can be manufactured by cheap labour who have no workplace safety standards or benefits, so a cheap product can be imported back here to stock on the shelves of the local Walmart! But, like they say, never let the facts get in the way of a good argument! Corporate tax cuts fail to boost jobs: study A decade’s worth of corporate tax cuts have padded the bottom lines of Canada’s largest corporations, but those same companies have created jobs at a somewhat slower rate than the economy as a whole, according to the results of a study released Wednesday. The study, produced by the Ottawa-based think tank Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives, concluded that 198 of Canada’s largest publicly traded corporations made 52% more in profit in 2009 than in 2000 while paying 20% less in taxes. Between 2005 and 2009, when employment in Canada grew by 6% despite a global recession, the largest companies created 5% more jobs. “Despite their growing profits and massive tax savings, the number of jobs created by Canada’s largest corporations was lower than the average employment growth across all sectors of the economy,” Yes, teachers are a burden...police and firefighters are a burden...nurses are a burden...until their jobs are privatized and the services are contracted out to one of these corporations that are bidding to take over public services...like the U.S. governors of Michigan, Indiana and Wisconsin are doing right now....then the spending is okay it seems. Be forewarned Canadians -- all across America right now, Republican mayors and governors are trying to decertify public service unions, because they are the last bastions of organized labour in the U.S. And our Conservatives here are following every bad idea that Republicans concoct over there, so we can expect the same gutting of organized labour here if we sit back and allow Harper devotees to divide and conquer us in a similar manner. Bull....Shit! We "need" to follow globalization? Maybe you're heavily invested in China, or you've read too much insanity from Terence Corcoran, but for everyone else, economic globalization has been a curse that has made large multinational corporations more powerful than national governments, since they can continually pit one nation against another to get the kind of low or non-existent taxes and deregulated business conditions they desire. Already done! We've seen this movie! It's been playing for the past 30 years, as free trade agreements and globalization have outsourced jobs, degraded working conditions, weakened collective bargaining, and harmed environmental protection policies, including attempts to reduce carbon added to the atmosphere.

I just watched a clip of rounds 4 and 5 of the fight, and I got to say that most MMA fans seem to prefer watching brainless idiots like Chris Leben get their heads knocked off, rather than watch the best fight to win. Unless this is the !@#$$%%^ Roman Coliseum or something, the objective is to win the fight, not make a bunch of drunken fans happy! GSP doesn't seem to have a southpaw fighting stance, so that means if you can't see out of your left eye, you avoid clinches and keep circling to the right, and move in and out with short combinations! The more punches you throw, the more likely you're going to get hit with an overhand right that you can't see coming. That sucks if you want to go for a knockout, but only brainless morons like Leben or Chuck Liddel try to throw flurries when they can't see! And, for what it's worth, Andersen Silva has done the same thing in at least two of his fights...played it safe and gone for a decision on points, rather than risk a knockout. And this sort of thing happens all the time in heavyweight boxing champ - Vladimir Klitschko's fights, since he would rather keep using his size and long jab against opponents who can't get inside on him. Again, it's stupid to expect the champion who's leading on points to put on a show -- it's up to the challenger to break through and make it a fight, instead of taunting the champion to drop his guard and throw flurries.

What I find disturbing is that there is no real "left" in American politics or mainstream broadcasting. Even public radio and TV is hardly on the left since the big ones like PBS, NPR and PRI, are financed primarily by large corporate trust funds who provide the boundaries for how they cover news and opinion. Real leftwing media in the U.S. is relegated to the internet and the obscure public broadcasters like Pacifica and Grit TV, which are hard to find unless you go out of your way and search for them....this was a big part of the argument for low-power FM radio, which Republicans are also promising to kill off completely. What Fox and rightwing radio present as their leftist opposition is a joke! The Democratic Party and the Obama Administration are trying to compete for the same corporate donations as the Republicans!

I don't know how much detail you want to go in to, but the array of conservative think tanks, front groups, and allied conservative religious associations, are run from the top down, not the bottom up! Most non-partisan watchers could smell a rat coming when that clown on CNBC made his speech about starting a "tea party" and all of a sudden every conservative hack on Foxnews and rightwing radio was giving information about tea party demonstrations and organizations in your area. It was a fraud from start to finish, and the idiots who form the rank and file of these groups have joined a movement that is directly attacking their own economic interests. No! YOu're getting me confused with Paul Krugman...or other Keynsian economists that are trying to re-inflate the bubble economy. The results of economic, environment, and social data have returned me to the radical leftist roots of my youth, because the evidence from population and environment studies is telling us that we are reaching the limits of growth (for both), and sociology studies are telling us that inequality is much more important than economic growth. If I agreed that economic growth was the highest goal, I would still be a libertarian.....and I'm not! I heard an interview recently on the subject of the "Atlas Shrugged" movie, and it could be that a lot of Any Rand devotees with deep pockets (and there's a hell-of-a-lot of them) were opposed to the man who scored the film rights to make the movie and refused to finance him. They were trying to wait him out, until his contract expired, and he was forced to rush the movie into production on a limited budget. Regardless, the movie must be crap, because the book is crap, because Ayn Rand's political and metaphysical philosophy is crap! In a nutshell, all she did with her political theory was to create a reverse-Marxism, where, instead of the Marxist principle that economic activity should focus 100% on labour and capital and capitalism should be abolished -- she presented an economic model where the investor class is the only source of economic progress, and labourers are paeons who perform assigned tasks, and shouldn't be entitled to prosperity until they take their meagre earnings and start their own business....total crap, and totally unimaginative as well! The only reason why she is idolized today, is because she provided a moral justification for men who previously had to work without any moral affirmation, and make huge offerings to church and religious authorities before they were at death's door! Ayn Rand provided a means for them to say: 'I'm doing the right thing by moving my manufacturing to Bangladesh and employing child labourers at 50c. per hour!

That's good to hear! My son turned 18 this year, and didn't even bother getting registered to vote. More often than not, I find election season the worst time to discuss politics, and it's hard to get discussions going on other topics when there is an upcoming election. In the real world, I found very little interest in the election among people I know. The lack of interest is disturbing, since prices are rising and more and more people are struggling to make ends meet. But most people will just keep working longer hours, or taking on 2nd jobs and ignore what's going on in the wider world. It's a shame that so many people are asleep at the switch when it comes to understanding politics and government, because this has been a pivotal election, and Canada will be a much different nation four years from now....which I see as being for the worse...but that's my opinion.

Maybe you're not familiar with this particular rule of logic, but: the exception does not prove a rule! The facts don't support libertarian dogma: The Upward Mobility Gap Opportunity in America isn’t what it used to be either. Among children born into low-income households, more than two-thirds grow up to earn a below-average income, and only 6 percent make it all the way up the ladder into the affluent top one-fifth of income earners, according to a study by economists at Washington’s Brookings Institution…. Children born into poverty in Canada, Britain, Germany or France have a statistically better chance of reaching the top than poor kids do in the United States…. [in addition to the decline of public schools,] Harvard sociologist Robert Putnam argues that thanks partly to the rise of two-income households, intermarriage between rich and poor has declined, choking off another historical upward path for the underprivileged….”We’re becoming two societies, two Americas,” Putnam told me recently. “There’s a deepening class divide that shows up in many places. It’s not just a matter of income. Education is becoming the key discriminant in American life. Family structure is part of it too.”… “Success in life increasingly depends on how smart you were in choosing your parents,” Putnam said. “And that flies in the face of the fundamental American bargain — that every kid ought to have access to the same opportunities.”…Most Americans accept inequality in the economy as long as the ladder of opportunity is accessible to anyone who wants to work hard. The best way for America to reclaim its self-image as a land of opportunity is to ensure that every kid has access to a decent education — now more than ever the first step onto the ladder. That’s why bipartisan education reform isn’t just about fixing schools; it’s about repairing the fabric of American society. Read “The Upward Mobility Gap” (Doyle McManus, L.A. Times, 1/2/11)

When Stephan Dion threatened to dispose of the Harper Government by forming a three party coalition, it was primarily over Harper's plan to scrap public campaign financing. The NDP has always wanted to do something similar to what happened decades ago in England, when the Labour Party pushed out the old Liberal Party; but the NDP was no where strong enough to destroy the Liberal Party themselves. Harper is the one who has figured out how to do it, and turn Canada into what will end up as a two party duopoly. I'm not a Liberal Party supporter, and I have long been sick of their capacity to move across the political spectrum from left to right. Nevertheless, the old boring days of Liberal vs. Progressive Conservative -- where the two parties would frequently overlap and even outflank each other were the reasons why Canadian politics never got as polarized and nasty as American politics became over the last 40 years....now we're heading down that road too.

You know what I mean! Some people think that there would be no terrorism without Osama bin Laden. I have really become cynical about how closely the Obama Administration has followed in the footsteps of the Bush Administration when it comes to the Iraq War, and the rest of the war on terror, and U.S. policies like secret prisons, indefinite detention without trial, use of torture, targeted assasinations....all policies that Obama condemned as a candidate and even threatened to prosecute members of the Bush Administration for, and has whole-heartedly adopted as the President. This has meant that Bush policies have been consolidated, including going to war by executive order, and are not criticized in any mainstream media, since Obama is as far left as they will tolerate.

Pretty bad from what I've read! So, since a minority Harper Government already started us down the road to American-style retributive justice, we can expect a lot more prisons, and a lot more funding cuts to drug treatment programs, and other such programs that deal with the root causes of crime.

Mulroney was too much a liberal to go after the CBC, even though CBC News relentlessly gave a soapbox to the gang-of-four Liberal critics, and constant criticism of the Mulroney Government...which he fueled with his own arrogance, started taking his poll numbers down the day after he got his landslide majority. I don't see such a thing happening with Harper! We already know what he thinks of the CBC, and I expect there will be privatization plans, or plans to parcel off parts of the network announced within a year or so.

The religious zealots have to work by stealth in this country; there's not enough of them here to control the political process like they do in most U.S. states, even with high turn-out to vote. They will likely operate like the American religious right did during the 70's -- building the infrastructure for pushing the conservative social agenda.

It seems to me that instead of waving flags and chanting "USA" "USA" for the success of a targeted assasination, the U.S. needs to stop planting the seeds that create more bin Ladens! Stop invading and occupying foreign nations, and installing puppet governments.