Oleg Bach

That's always astounding about torture of any kind - it's always some jerk from a poor family that does the torturing while it is payed for and condoned by some person from a rich and privldged family in a position of authority - I figure if you are to weak and cowardly to torture a man yourself - then buying the "pleauser" - should be outlawed - torture is money talking - especially the America version of it - you don't see some poor bum saying to the millionare politican "Hey buddy - wanna make a few bucks and torment the wino panhandling on my terf?" - Torture---is the bored mans sex I suppose - it really bugs me when I see a rich political type in the states say - Torturing a child in front of his parents is a good thing and really works well to get "information" that will "save lives" - give me a break! To imprison a child of 15 in harsh conditions - is torture - an adult can think things though and adjust and adapt - Omar must have layed their and cried for a long long time - If he is guilty of anything - he did not have the vision to see what the outcome of his action would be - where as an adult usually does and is fully responsible....we have to draw the line somewhere as far as protecting the young - no matter what - there is an old eastern saying regarding tolerance - "I do not love him because he is good, but because he is my little child".....mercy or grace - is class - grace literally means - "The undeserved mercy of God" - It is a noble attribute - but we have no nobles here.

So his father was arrested and imprisoned in Pakistan? He must have been a real bad guy. As we all know that is the most sound and civilized nation on earth and corruption and abuse of certain groups is unheard of. "Omar recieves weapons training" ? That should convict the little brat for sure - wonder if the Bush's buddies the Saudis pay for and provided the "weapons" for the boys training? - thinking back I use to take my two daughters out to the ravine behind the house when they were 5 and 6 years old to "train" them to fire the 22 semi-auto - they could hit a can from a long way off - although the youngest kept getting his finger caught in the trigger guard. They learned safety - and respect - and years from now if they every needed to fire a gun - it will not be some strange and frightening exerience - I wonder if that makes me a mini-training center for scarorists? Omar - was just a dumb kid - what are we to do? Maybe we could go around slapping every kid that is stupid or every adult that is dumb - we could punch - I feel that there would be so many in the world that would need punishing that in the first day - our arms and hands would fall off from over use - seriously - we have terrorist at Jane and Finch firing their Glocks in broad day light - lets go arrest them and lock them up! That would make more sense - Omar - you can tell by looking at the original photo - was a stupid young boy with a very angry and hateful father...do we put the sins of the father on the son? Do we persecute George Bush because his grandfather sold weapons to the Nazis? NO -

Dogs are great - and some actually love the master - but a pit bull is just a flesh ripping blade on four legs. Which reminds me of the "unconditional love" that turned into unconditional hunger - You have heard about the woman that had the face transplant? I read an article explaining why she needed the procedure. Apparently she over dosed her self and was passed out - her gentle and sweet Labrador - yes the golden one with the soft touchable fur ---- the mutt got hungry and decided to eat her face while she lay in a stupor - We have a Beagle that loves to steal ladies underware and chew up the crotch.....when the woman tell me what a wonderful baby the Beagle is I think to myself - if you collapsed and died the Beagle would not consume just the panties but would eat her way right to the pelvis starting with the most tender area. My point is that dogs are scavengers and carnivors - and their mouth is made for ripping flesh - people forget that - that no dog can be fully trusted especially around a child - they will attack anything small than themselves - because dogs are also surivalist and cowards by nature..anyone who wastes money on medication for a Pit Bull or any other dog that can snap and destroy the life of a human is a fool - they are dogs - they are not people...but in liberal Toronto - people will spend 600 dollars on a hand full of pills for the animal but will resent increasing a welfare payment ot a child that is protein starved and will grow up stupid because of it. Family first - humans are family...dogs are NOT members of your family - they are tag alongs - much like that lazy husband of yours...don't ask me why I added that - just for colour I suppose and the fact that some females are more loyal to the dog than to the husband.

The kids father was wacko - you don't drag your son back in time and expect him to wage a war that has no purpose other than to maintain family pride. Putting that aside - they should just send the kid home and show the world that the west has compassion and forgiveness - show some class.

If it were not for the 20 million dead Red Army soldiers that beat back the Nazis there would be one primary battle that the US would have lost ------------------------world war two! And by the way war is NOT an adventure. Both of my parents endured the fire storm and watch Europe collapse - both were riddled with bullit marks - both were half starved - the report that I got back as a kid was that war was NOT fun - grow up guys ... This "war on terror" is not a war - a war is where two sides square off and fight to the death - When someone gets blown up by a road side bomb - he is not a hero that died in a "fire fight" He is a thing called road kill - these are not heros they are victims. Having said that - what I see here is not a war but sport by the merchant class trying to appear as noble knights of old and attempting to be aristocrats - well it's pathetic - Bush junior is not the gallant airman that his dad was - but he is the cut throat opportunist that his grandfather was - a coward that generated money selling arms to the Nazis - and ironically that blood money was used to install not one but two presidents. That's like a man killing thousands of his own country men and turning a profit and then placing himself on a throne and declaring the he is a benevolent king protector - what a fraud. It's all about money - killing for money is not nice...or very sophisticated..it's base and less than primative. As far as the Persians are concerned - it seems that George W Bosh..or Bush - has met his nemisis in the Iranian dictator - the up side is that these two idiots will destroy each other - to bad we can't just put both of them in a cage and let them have a knife fight to the death - butter knives would make it interesting.

OOOOhh Nazi German admiration - not surprised after all anglo saxon does mean germanic dane. The German army were trols - robots - and army has to have spirit and soul - when our men say in the British Airforce were flying their paper thin planes over Berlin and bombing these pests out of existance they had one edge that the "bar none" Germans clone soldiers did NOT have - it was spirit - soul! You forget why the Germans were beaten - they were driven and functioning on occultism - the empty lying religion - where as we had Christian doctrine to pull us though - quote "There is no love greater than that of a man who is willing to lay his life down for a friend" - Do you think Haunz or Manfred with there Volkswagen helmets on even considered dying to say their fellows life? Not likely - the Germans were NOT the greatest or "finest military" in the world - if they were - THEY WOULD HAVE WON. Donald Rumsfelt - fashioned the invasion of Iraq directly after German operations directly out of world war 2 - he was a big fan of Hitler also - apparently it did not work did it? Bach on topic..I heard dearst Bush comment about the pesky Iranian water bugs bothering the America navy..what the hell - he acted as if it was a big deal - something worth while that might just generate a few more bucks at the end of his tenure to further enrich his buddies that run the miltary industrial parasitic machine...his reaction was akin to saying "we were out in the canoe and their were water bugs every where - we need to buy a thousand more 50 cal. machine guns and get those nasty little kritters - for God's sake - this is NOT the Persian empire of 500 years ago - look at their leader - the twint is a clone of Bush himself - with the same IQ - ironic!

From the begining of time emotion has been use to control the masses - whether it be politics or religion, emotion is the great weapon of mass suduction. Looks like Hillary's cool advisors are going for the gusto, perhaps permaturely at this point. She seems under advisement to turn on the tears. This idealog out of the sixties, this ambitious Trotskyite lunitic ...... is now using human nature against humanity. It's real old school. The most powerful lawyers in the world who were trained by cablist mystics have one thing to say about humanity..that they can be control easily though what they love - hate - and deeply cherish - that the masses or the singular can be manipultated in a cold and calculating manner though base emotion. Just look at how Pakistan is being control. Look at Iran. China- terrorised into submission by the emotion call fear. Now that America is worn down emotionally and mentally by this double whammy called "war on terror" - the are ripe for the picking...Obama is cool - but America is NOT cool - they are in a state of emotional hysteria and are a push over for the action taken and about to be taken by Hillary "the man" Clinton - Rodham...by the way who is this "RODHAM"? Hillary will push the pathetic former empire of America so far to the left it will come out looking like the most rightest extreme that the world has ever known. If you think the Bushites are right - just watch man woman who resents her own husbands genitles.....watch this player - with furious glee and ambition this peasant girl will in time wage war for sport with Iran - and say she is doing it for "woman's rights" as she removes the last remaining civil rights of her own nation. You will see in the future - more snake tears from this woman that truely needs a man style anger management course like there is no tomorrow. You may think that violence just resinates from the male - but do not forget that estrogen is the huntress hormone. Just because her rage is contained - and her inner violence is quiet - does not mean that violence and poor judgement governed by female rage will not rear it's ugly head in time - there is more to this woman than meets the eye - power for powers sake without real purpose is tremendously dangerous - now that she is sheding tears - and hugging all that will accept her seduction - look out...this lunitic will win the election not on the voters intellect of good judgement - but on EMOTION . The scarey part is that their will be a polgrom waged by her - every person that spoke ill of her, she will punish. To call Hillary just an irritant is like calling Hitler a common trouble maker - look out - and again mark my words - she will win with tears - and America will not be "reversed" as she put it, but futher debased by the internationalist communist party where all are equal except the leaders.

Rule of law comes first before rule of emotion - primaryly hate - sure he was a bad boy and helped pops harrass the invaders in the homeland - maybe he even tossed the granade. So what! If someone was invading rural Alberta, and your 15 year old was out with you and he did what he could to thwart the intruders - you would exault him and brag at the local hick bar for the next twenty years what a great boy you have. Just remember as far as one mans terrorists is another mans voting block. Look at the creeped out liberals that would go to the east end of Toronto and cuddle up to the Tamil Tigers - getting thousands of votes - then suddenly they are a "terrorist" group - I for the life of me have never heard a Tamil say - lets harm Canada - so if they are not out to get us then how can they be terrorist - they do not terrifiy my..in fact their barbers do a nice job on my hair and beard. Getting back to the point of the "child soldier" - 15 is a boy - a child that does not have a clue - and I will repeat when Harper refered to him as a man - well ...made my skin crawl to think how stupid our Prime Minister is - does he not do the math - that the kid was 15 that he did not do this "serious offence" yesterday! We are a nation of barbarians - Frankly you guys out there in Alberta make the American right look like ameteurs - I am really shocked - kind of like a real Ku Klux Klan operating out there - to think I was considering moving out there to be with my own kind - came to the realization that you are not really my kind - you are to extreme - and extremist are terrorists - why do you get such glee out of terrorizing what was a 15 year old child - or at least approving of his detention? I have lost respect for that place of higher learning you all hail from out there in Lethbridge - what a waste of tax dollars to have educated and created men of cruelty - lots of money but no heart or mind for that matter - I really don't give a damn for the Muslim kid down in Cuba - but I do give a damn about how un-civilized you are - I had no idea that there is not one single Christian left in Alberta - what was God's country is no more - just cruel money grubbers.

Most teachers are bureacrats. Most are concerned about finacial security. Most become teacher because they are mediocre human beings - Most that teach - teach because they can not do - Most teachers are totally institutionalized much like a lifer in the pen - Most young teachers enter day care in infancey, then go to public school and then they go to highschool - then university - teachers college and then back into primary school. Teachers and social workers are usually dweebs. Having said that - I had one teacher worth his salt. He taught one thing - the love of learning - not dogma or social policy. Now as far as the young offenders act - like I said before - once the kids know that judges have no morals - they are free to be evil - most judges are appointed by evil men who's only purpose is to maintain a status quo of selfishness and riches - so what do you expect - a fancey crimminal appoints a judge to be an offical crimminal and the kids follow suit - best advice to young offenders is to not offend in order to avoid the courts that are full of evil men and self serving woman.

The white former Christian kids that stuck a knife in the gut of a 14 year old cops daughter - guess the killers were old also - the kettle is calling the pot black here - we have terrorist on the streets of Toronto that kill good God loving kids - what the hell is that about ???? you are not making sense and I suppose that you would bring back hanging for 12 year olds stealing bread - pathetic.

Maybe I as an immigrant of over 57 years have been faking it and "blending in". I still don't approve of abortion and being taxed to faciltiate it. I still don't agree with the propogation of the idea that homosexual behaviour is equal to hetro-sexual conduct - I belief that it is inferiour in the scheme of things...I still do not believe that a man should have to pay tax when he works with his back and hands building shelter - while someone privledged pays no tax or donates to charity in order to turn a profit to avoid contributing...I believe in family - in man and woman united forming a power base - In Canada that power base is de-based. I don't believe in giving dope to welfare types so big pharma can enrich themselves while the guy in the factory has to pay for the pharma dope....I suppose I have not really fit in to the scheme of things in Canada - and I will not and refuse to take a job the entails harming other so I can live well - I am so UN-Canadian - wish they would deport me - once I figure out where I am truely from.

Don't be silly - it all springs from the concept of life as apposed to death. The continuation of life in it's full heavenly quality is universal - apparently you do not want to be good - or god like. Looks like you flew off into a tangent with the way you percieved my simple lesson...funny how something that simple and logical is rejected and there are those that want to do a complex dance and start talking about language differences. As far as where the English Indo Germanic language came from - it came from a mixture of hundreds of different primative utterances. Getting back to the mistreatment of the Omar Khahr kid...I noticed today in the paper they released a sketch of the boy - of course up date with the full scarey Muslim beard that we percieve all crazed Islamic wear as a badge of aggression - I wonder one thing about the beard - I bet you nickles to donuts that the keepers of this ward of the American Military Industrial complex denied the guy a razor..can't have him looking all baby faced and clean shaven - that would not fly well in the face of public opinion ----still can't get over Harpers caving in to the weapons dealers "Mr. and yes a real big MISTER khadr has been charged with a very serious offence" - so what - I suppose we should go to the boon docks of Africa and charge every kid forced or manipulated into carrying an AK - should be charged with war crimes? Now let us return to the concept of good..or god - in the ancient days of common sense before the so-called enlightenment ..."complexity is the sanctuary of scoundrels" - before religion became politics - and I swear that religion or church and state are one! That when morality was simple - the community tried to do what God wanted and even a child knows that good is better and good enough and if we attatch the word GOD to that goodness there was no confusion - People are confused by religion - and politics - both are deceptions - both are forms of lieing in order to control - where as good and evil are easy to distinguish - BUT - we do not discriminate anymore and no one wants to judge what is good - in fact it is illegal politically and religiously to JUDGE ....time to discriminate and judge what is good and what is NOT! How hard can that be?

Polls are owned - if I was a big corporate boss the first thing I would do is buy and fix the polls - the sheeple would do what all the other sheeple do - pay tribute.....did you know that 95% of Canadians want to bring back the horse and buggy? There - no more grid lock or war over oil....it's true - the POLL SAID SO!

Multi-culturalism is a fraud. The sooner we reveal that it's a plan to destroy all other cultures including our own in hope of creating a grey utlitiatian corporate hell the better off we will be - let the cultures flourish and stop pretending you are doing so as you wipe them out - people are not stupid. They know that Canada is about the destruction of the family and of all culture...the people in control hate culture and family - makes people smart and happy and happy slaves are hard to control.

You don't have to pay for a better environment. Just take less. Taking a cut in pay....in pay that you don't deserve is not paying for anything. Stop facilitating the greedish sins in China and let half the workers stay home and relax and all will be well - and if the banks want to forclose on a mortage - well - tell them to F off - and forclose on the banks..besides - the banks can afford to lose a few billion without ill effect...global warming and climate destruction is not so hard to fix - we are so establish in the west that we can take a holiday for a few years and let the place heal it self.. .what's the big deal - the average person used to make 60 dollars a week - to we really need to have people making 3000 dollars a week which has become the average paycheck in some circles - while some work for less than minimum wage and actually create real product that you can eat...today it is spring in Toronto - which means that the earth will be to dry this year to grow food - will the Mexicans spare our sorry asses with aid when we run out of grub? Not likely - I say time to simply quite and stopping buying stuff from China - and if....a billionare in the west losses three quarters of his wealth so what - he can live on a million bucks...

Screw ups? Damn right - look at Richard Cheney marching off to war with out the budget to do it right - then coming begging for more cash and a few thousand dead soldiers later. Now that is a screw up by someone who believed themselves to be superiour. Also firing all the generals that were spawned of the blue collar class that is held in loathing and contempt by oil merchants such as Cheney is a grave error based in ego - imagine this board room troll actually thinking he was an expert warrior. Guess he believed he was "entitled" - that being born rich and arrogant and CHEAP...gave him licience to privateer. Guys like Cheney should cash in their Haliburton shares and contribute it to the war effort - seeing he believes in it so much. That is not about to happen though seeing that he is an elitist that believes he is entitled to get something for nothing - cheap cheap cheap - and now the Bushites expect to burden the tax payer again with their failed waring buisness venture - what a bunch of rich losers who were trained from childhood in one principle "Never give anything to anyone ever - always take" - looks like that motto has it's limitations..as does the war chest..that does not even belong to them - and the above writer who states "highest standard of living in history" - CANADA eh? It's an illusion - when a worker can not lay down and rest when he wants - all the money in the world does not make him propserous - we have the highest level of quality slavery in the world and that is it.

This buisness about it being better to fight them in their home than in ours does not make sence. You must remember though immigration you have thousands and thousands of potential terrorists. The trick would be to show them justice and civilty- if they see no sign of justice and goodness...we will in time be like England and have terrorist that are not just dark haired Arabic kids - but radicals that will form in your very own blue eyed children. If there is a problem you must ask why and what the root is. From what I have observed is that the east hates the west because the west raped and plundered them and their resourses ( wealth ) - putting the generation of fanatics aside - and there will always be reactionary emotional people - maybe if we in the west stopped manipulating more emotionally charged cultures abroad - we may fair better. Pissing people off to weaken and confuse them may have worked when doing buisness in Victorian times - but the rest of the world is getting wise to this technique.....once you anger a man you control him - makes me wonder if the best advice to the west would be - to let the east know that you have been playing them.

You will have to do better than create a strawman situation that is devertive. You understand my point. Under the child protection act domestically and the family service acts - it is the duty of our bureacrats to protect those that are vulnerable. This situation that this kid got in had nothing to do with goodness or God - and was not motivated by religion - at most it is a territorial dispute. A case of turf and pride much like gangism here in Toronto. Real religion is simple -goodness or the God concept is the basis of all successful societies. Religion be it Islam, Judiac - or Christian fundamentalizm - are human constructs and really have nothing to do with GOD. You can mobilize religious fanatics into violence - maniplulate them to serve to empower secularist. I believe firmly that those who moblize fanatics are NOT Godly - it's just real clever way of historically doing buisness. Canada should fully embrace religion - not move away from it - but - it should weed out those that are not for the common GOOD of all - keep it simple - good = God......if it is not good - it is not and should not be supported as a "religion" - we all know what is good....and we all know what makes society toxic - Canadian values used to be based in "religion" before it became rotten - now as they say the temple has been torn down and nothing else has been built - immigrants are kind by nature...most believe in GOD ...and most are civilized -it is us - who need a tune up - we need justice and we need it quickly - all of our institutions have developed into insidious crimminal monopoly - as far as child abuse - or child poverty - stop abusing the adults and the children will fair well - this false and manipulative "protection of children" is a buisness - as I mention before - corner a group of child protection types in a court and you will see them toss the kids into the flames and save themselves..we are a fraud - Back in my day - we said the Lords prayer at the begining of the school day - believe or not believe is not the issue - it grounded us and created a power above the teacher and government - a power that allowed us to govern ourselves accordingly - we were allowed to be good - kids to day are not allowed to be good - the girl that was stabbed recently was killed because she was good - not bad - that says it all - we must embrace goodness or perish - It is common sense. I learned this after studying the old english word for "good" - it was spelled "god" - that was very telling what real religion is - goodness......it sustains life the other thing kills and causes suffering - people do not react badly if treated well. Some do none the less - and those should be avoided -

Spent years studying them - infact thirty odd years....I did not say they do not exist - because I have met the odd one - They are not nice people and really not that smart - if they were intelligent they would be good - and being good in the long run is the best and most intelligent way to go - One thing I do know about the so-called illuminated ones is that they have huge egos and will refere to themselves as "wise" - The have but one thing - not talent - not great creative power - their crimminal fathers and grandfathers committed crimes to generate family fortunes - they have only one thing MONEY- AND REALLY NOT ANY BRAINS OR HEART OR COURAGE - So don't worship them - they feed on your fear and your admiration - I hope you get the point.

Get on the Toronto subway and look at the faces - I do not see "motivated" and happy people. The average person is under tremendous duress and far from happy - especailly the immigrants who are starting to wonder why the hell they came here to be driven into the ground though over work that does not pay - YOU are dreaming their buddy - Maybe it's time you got out of your ivory tower and walked amoung the common man? People are not happy - and they have no use for politics these days - because a government is to serve the population - not the other way around.

YOU be the illuminati! It's a belief system - maybe there is a toothless guy pumping gas in Nebraska - maybe that guy suggests on how to proceed - seeing our leaders are not leaders.

We are powerful in the west - even if all these back water principalities managed to ALL aquire nuclear weapons - they would be like men with short range single shot 22 rifles - and we would be the guys with the long range cruise missles - if they got out of hand a little nuking would deter them with little discomfort to us. Now if I had a neighbour that was constantly fighting within their own family - I may reprimand them once out of kindness - and most of the time people take advice and learn - if not let that neighbour destroy themsleves - it's their choice - We can not as a neighbour barge into their house hold and dictate to them -all that will form is deep hate and a constant never dieing resentment - How long will it take Iraq to get over the resentment for the west? How long will it take for Afghanistan to do the same? Remember that kind soldier that sat down with tribal elders and attempted to reason with them? Then a resent filled native came up behind him and hit him in the back of the head with an axe. You must remember - humans are territorial - and we are in their living room - their good and bad behaviour is simply not our buisness - we should have a campaign of advicement - not military intrusion - would any sane person comply to an invader with a gun? For the short term they would...they would most likely appreciate a reasonalbe approach - BUT our leaders look at them as wife beating animals - and they know that and hate us for it. Honour and respect is all they understand - quailties we have abandonded - much like manhood. I use to laugh when the Americans sent a diplomat to Iraq who was openly gay - How could a traditional male respect what was coming out of his mouth after knowing what was in it? This was a great insult to them..and we are not learning how to deal with the past or what we percieve as primative - where is it written in stone that as we advance in time that we actually evolve? We may be the ones that are backward - RESPECT..That's the key on the street here and the key on the rock mounds there.

There is no "illuminati" - if such a group existed they would have to be illuminated, which means so highly intelligent they would be saints and messiahs. Great men of great wisdom. Can any body here honestly say they have seen global evidence of brilliant world wide managers and leaders? There really is no evidence of intelligent life in high places - if there was we would not be having the problems we do on an international scale. This is much like the Wizard Of Oz. Once you get to the Emerald City and enter the gates and the inner room - there is really no one their of any consequence. People should become more dependent on themselves and their own good judgement and ability - instead of speculating that there are a group of illuminated wise men running the show. As far as blood lines - it's safe to say if there is such a thing they have bred themselves into stupidity - England is full of inbred wanna be elite - Israel is the same...a blood line does not improve by marrying your fouth cousin a dozen times - it deteriorates...to create high quality DNA you must take the best from all human sources. This exclusionary breeding is based in vacariousness and egocentricity - Here is the perfect example - a father has a son and in his egoist mind the son is a reproduction or clone of the father - not so - the son always has the brain and personage of the mother - and the daughter takes on the traits of the father - this is common knowledge - and to think that Bush Junior is a clone of the old man is a mistake - just look at them...one is inferiour to the other. George may just be a reincarnate of his crazy drunken aunt Martha that died in 1942. I really get a kick out of how nature plays nasty tricks on the super rich and powerful - look at Cheney's daughter - now that was a real slap in the face for this raging oil merchant with an ego the size of a hundred dollar barrel.

Did the Russian populace and the America populace understand why THEY were in Afghanistan? NOPE! Russian mothers are still wailing for the useless "sacrafice" of their sons - morphine - high end stuff that can not be synthizied? Maybe it is our balless leaders and their handlers who want to show the primative Taliban that rich westerners are real men also - I would say we are their because of the ego of certain people - who are so insanely proud - that killing your sons does not bother them - we could leave that place tomorrow the way a dozen nations left torn and bedraggled - the only way to "win" is to kill every last male Afghan.. - if you can not and will not do THAT get out! Russia leaned the hard way...seems that Canada will also at great human expense...do you really think that some Taliban beardy boy goat herder--- sits up awake at night thinking of bombing Toronto? He does not know or care where Canada is. NOW Saudi Arabia supplies the money for violent hate crime - get the Saudi families under control and you won't need to be in that rock pile killing ground...go to the source - to who supplies the money - forget Iran - Saudi funded the trade center mass killings- one of their adventurer sons with American ties - I believe Bin Laden was the young mans name...and where the hell is he anyway - can a billion dollars not flush him out?

Recession? What is that - some sort of scheme? As a kid back in 82, I saw a message in the subway "recession coming". I thought how do they know - of course I pondered to myself - they are creating one and conditioning us to accept being robbed severly one more time. What I notice is when the rich can not longer get more rich - they revert to making the poor more poor - Recession reminds my of Gandi - "It is a small man who exaults himself through the belittlement of others" - It's like a natural evolution economically. When you can't go any higher and the market is peaking - you kick the bottom out to make the bottom go lower. All things in our system have limits - I compare a recession to a man milking a bunch of cows (people) - at first he keeps the milking minimal and manageble so that the poor cows can replenish their milk supply - with greed - you milk the cow untill it's knees wabble - and the thing falls over in weakness - then you have to force a recession before someone finds out that you sickened the cow. There are limits in slavery - you can not work them to death and tell them "Be happy - all are employed" - sometime employment becomes abuse and stresses the nation - because..........their money becomes devalued and the kids go astray because the parents are on the tread mill - I hope we have not a recession but a severe depression that will allow society to re-adjust and regain good values again. Let the whole thing collapse and let the new fuedal lords go broke. My brother is a craftsman - he just finished working on a house in the Aurora Ontario area - the place has 30 fire places and is worth about 30 million dollars - it is a palace - what has this young man done to deserve such a thing - and how may has he harmed? - There is a new type of fuedalism taking place - and it may be wise to collapse the false economic system before it becomes worse and more intense - we need a government - not more powerful un-elected barbarians to rule us who build palaces in the centre of a subdivision.