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Actually it says Marcel LeMay was killed by a QPP bullet. I didn't know that for sure. It has not been made public. Secondly: Do you really expect the army to crow about its soldiers who threw two young girls over the bridge? Cnances are the soldiers in question never told their officers, and if course the Mohawks would not deal with any Canadian officials to report it. The 'report' is in the film Rocks at Whiskey Trench" posted in another thread.

Actually they would not go so far as to promote the 'white' race. All they would do is promote their platform of no immigration, no special rights for anyone (including freedom of religion apparently), no burkas, no turbans, no headscarves, etc etc etc. That kind of approach seems somewhat popular ... at least on this board it certainly is ... and you can get by without talking about the 'white superiority' issue that does turn people off. Why not? It will expose the white supremacists who like to pretend they are not. They hide behind "there's something wrong with them' instead of looking at what is perhaps wrong with their own perceptions.

Khadr has commited no offence against Canada. Only against the war-happy US.

Does that include the children and seniors? What is the point of that statistic, then? It is more important to compare the same population as we use to calculate unemployment in Canada: The employable actively looking for work. Why would we apply a different statistic to them than we use for ourselves? That would be bias.

In my opinion, the hate espoused by some people results in incidents like this: http://www.californiachronicle.com/article...articleID=38547 Fourth Grade Student Beaten and Tortured By Teacher Mike Graham September 25, 2007 A fourth grade student attending a rural Oklahoma school could not get out of bed one morning to go to school. His mother not knowing what was wrong with her son was concerned. She asked if he was sick and the child replied, “I don't want to go to school”. The boy's mother became concerned after hearing this from her son who always loved going to school and being around all his friends. The mother told her son he did not have to go to school if he did not feel like going that day. The young boy replied, “I don't ever want to go back to school”. At this time the boy's mother asks her son to tell her what was going on at school. He said he did not want to get into any more trouble. The boy's mother assured her son that he would in no way be in trouble no matter what the problem was. She told her son she would take care of the problem no matter what it was and make it go away. The boy then told his mother he was in a lot of pain, and could not move without hurting real bad. He told her his teacher had whipped him the day before and it really hurt bad. The mother pulled back the covers and saw black and blue strap marks on her son from the stomach down. In shock, the mother asked “how did this happen to you”? The boy said his teacher whipped him every week during the school year because the teacher did not like me because I had Indian blood and said I should not be allowed in his school. He said I should be in an Indian school; I did not deserve to be in his classroom because I had Indian heritage.

In comparison to other detainees who were repatriated to their countries, I believe Harper is making Canada look pretty cold-hearted ... or cheap ... or both.

John Tory's Sleepover Karen Howlett, September 24, 2007 at 9:04 PM EDT Memo to Dalton McGuinty: Remember Etta Young, the elderly woman in Cobourg that Opposition Leader John Tory told us about during last week's all-candidates' debate? She's the one who doesn't have a family doctor and has placed an ad in her local newspaper looking for one. Or the woman in Mississauga who'se been waiting more than a year for an operation on her knee and is walking with two canes? Well, the reason Mr. Tory has all these anecdotes at the ready when he criticizes the way your Liberal Party governed over the past four years is because he never stops travelling around the province, talking to ordinary folks. It was here that Mr. Tory divulged that this was his ninth visit to the community, one he said Mr. McGuinty has not set foot in. He even spent the night last December at the home of Anne Marie and Paul Vansickle. He said he would have been quite happy to sleep on the couch but the Vansickles insisted he take their bedroom. "I point out that they weren't also there in the bedroom," he joked. . . . http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto.../WBeveryoneblog haha ...

Well I'll give you something to respond to. This is a bit dated, but it quelled the 'debate' about immigration at the time: http://ceris.metropolis.net/Virtual%20Libr...20al/loc2d.html Subject to the limitations described at the outset of this section, our analyses show that Toronto's immigrants admitted between 1980 and 1995 do not obtain social assistance in excess of income tax they pay. In other words, there is no evidence that these immigrants are an economic drain on the host society; instead, they as a whole make positive net contributions to Canada's treasury. At the same time, our analyses show that immigrants in general have not been able to contribute to Canada's treasury at the same level as average Canadians do. Since a low T-B ratio is usually caused by low income and insecure employment, it is also indicative that immigrants have not achieved levels of economic performance and security comparable to those of native-born Canadians. Among other things, this may be attributed to the fact that 57 percent of the target immigrant population had been in Canada for less than 6 years when their 1995 tax return was filed. As length of residence in Canada increases, the gap in economic contributions between the target immigrant population and the native born Canadians should reduce, if not diminish. . . . Contrary to popular belief, immigrants admitted for family reunification, especially assisted relatives, also make positive contributions to Canada, though their T-B ratio is lower than that for economic immigrants. Thus, they are not economic burdens to Canada, as many have perceived. The only classes of immigrants who seem to receive more benefits than the amount of taxes they pay are refugees and their dependants. This seems to agree with Lui-Gurr's (1995) observation that refugees are at a greater risk of welfare dependency. The high welfare dependency rate for Toronto's refugees may be explained by both their lower level of education and their shorter length of residence in Canada. For instance, 64 percent of refugees came to Canada with 12 or less years of education (25 percent with 0-9 years; 39 percent with 10-12 years), and only 9 percent with university degrees. As well, 66 per cent of all refugees arrived in Canada in 1990 and after. Nonetheless, refugees and their dependants are admitted into Canada for political and humanitarian reasons, not for their economic potential. Moreover, they account for only 7 percent of the target immigrant population, and the cost of providing benefits to refugees and their dependants can be adequately offset by the positive income tax transfers from other immigrants in the Toronto CMA. I am surprised to hear that it balances out so well within six years. It takes at least 5 years to become literate in English. I thought it might balance out over a lifetime. This is very encouraging. There is no question immigration is a boon for Canada. And there is no question that refugees arrive with more emotional than physical baggage. Many have lived in war circumstances for years. Kids have not been to school because it was bombed, or there was too much gunfire in the streets. Famine, disease, war, disaster. It may take a generation for them. And refugees are only 7% of immigrants. I would have thought 50 50. Hhm. There is certainly nothing bleak about this, nor worthy of concern economically. The anti-immigration stance, which does strike as odd in a country of immigrants, must rest on evidence other than economic, imo.

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September 24, 2007 Algonquin Resist Uranium Mine Sharbot Lake Algonquins, locals occupy mining site and enforce land claim by Megan Hughes The Dominion - http://www.dominionpaper.ca Welcome to Frontenac County. Photo: Megan Hughes Welcome to Frontenac County. Ottawa is an hour's drive to the northeast, Kingston a similar distance to the south. Algonquin Provincial Park lies to the northwest. This beautiful lake is one of many in the centre of an ongoing uranium mining controversy. The 30,000 acres surrounding this lake in North Frontenac lies atop the edge of the Ottawa Valley’s Canadian Shield. This land is often referred to as the “Land ‘O’ Lakes” tourist region. . . . The Algonquins have told the court that they will not participate in the injunction orders. Citing Ipperwash and Oka as examples, the Algonquins state that injunctions do not take the place of discussion. They have invited the Minister of Aboriginal Affairs to come and speak to them. As of this writing, that visit has not happened. Frontenac Ventures Corp. has filed papers to sue the Algonquins and their supporters for $77 million dollars in "projected losses." They have also offered the government a way out of this issue. The mining company is willing to sell their staked land and business prospects in the area to the government. The starting price? $80 million. The Algonquins are planning to counter-sue both the mining company and the government for misuse of traditional lands. The Algonquin protesters and their supporters remain at the site today. The aim of the peaceful protest, demonstrators say, is to remain in the mining base camp until Dalton McGuinty calls a moratorium on uranium mining in Ontario. Many local councils have already passed resolutions against uranium mining through their own channels. When Ottawa finally makes its move, those opposed to uranium mining worry that it may be all rain or all shine for Frontenac County, for Ottawa, for Kingston and all of the other towns and cities within uranium dust-blowing distance. Update: On Saturday, September 22, two canoes will launch from the head of the Mississippi River in Ardoch, Ontario, and travel to the Parliament buildings in Ottawa, in order to demonstrate that the water systems connect and thus an immediate solution for the safety of all residents within air and water distance of the potential uranium mine must be found. I didn't know Frontenac had begun negotiating with the government. That's a good sign. Not that the government will do anything about it, but perhaps Frontenac will start chasing them instead. I will be very interested to see the outcome of the Algonquins' suit against the government. Interesting about the canoe trip.

What you are saying is no one's word can be trusted.

And yourself, Riverwind? Now that you have judged someone else's credibility based on absolutely no evidence and little understanding, how about a similar summary of your own.

And drunk and potty-mouthed and tried to run down two people.

I was not referring to the first five years, but the whole big picture: Government money paid out, taxes paid in. On that basis, immigrants contribute more to the economy than they take out.

No it couldn't. Canada is not engaged in a war of aggression for oil. Khadr is a Canadian citizen, born here. All other prisoners from allied countries have been returned to their country of origin (Britain, etc.). The only reason Khadr is still growing up in a cell at Gitmo is because Harper is a racist and won't make a simple request. We all know that.

So the racists 'anti-ethnic schooling' gang is deserting Tory. Boy he really misjudged his 'constituency'. I am not sure whether to be happy or sad. It is sad when people make decisions based on racism. I am happy that John Tory is no real threat, but I have little respect for those voters.

I find your singling out certain peoples extremely distastefull, and you are absolutely wrong about the 'drain' on the welfare system: Immigrants put more money into the economy that they take out. Period. Case closed.

Specifically, the conflict arose because Khadr’s Combatant Status Review Tribunal designated him as an “enemy combatant” and not an “unlawful enemy combatant.” It seems to me it was not "procedural" but a fact. He had a review of his Combatant Status, they legitimately found he was not an 'unlawful' combatant. As such, he is not subject to the military trial. Pretty clear. His return should be requested immediately.

You have basically sunk to "yes it is - no it isn't" nanananana so why not give these threads a pass Ken.

Interesting when you think about where the support for immigration must come from. Developers and builders, for example, are reaping 'boom times' building houses for former immigrants. They certainly are not calling for reduction in their numbers. Who is the segment of society that decries immigrants? It is likely not the profit-makers. Who then? And why?

And a bigot is someone who has a rigid opinion about "up from down, left from right, or red from blue" without ever learning what they mean.

How dare you denigrate the trauma of these two young girls. Have you no humanity whatsoever?

I still maintain that to judge (warriors), one must have some idea of the meaning of 'warriors' in its cultural context. To judge it by another cultural context of 'warriors' does not make sense.

Scott the last time I looked, writing things down did not guarantee they were not fabricated out of self interest either. Lol. I am not sure what your point is but what I would say is just because someone writes something down is no guarantee its not fabricated including this. There are some people on here that will argue black is white without ever cracking a dictionary to see if they are right. I find that sad, that some think it is more important to defend their own "collection of prejudices" than to learn the truth. As a society, we progress according to our ability to absorb and make sense of new information.

He will be returned to his own country. Returning him to Afghanistan would be foolish with the war still on, and that is not the way it works anyway.