jennie

Decent people encourage their governments to uphold the law, Constitution and treaties so we DON'T end up with such confrontations. So can I say I have your support too?

What on earth would you two know about what it means to be a warrior? http://sisis.nativeweb.org/mohawk/warrior1.html

And the law be damned? I agree with lenwick. Khadr is the kind of kid we are trying to rescue from Sudan and other places.

It doesn't say they don't know. They know. They are waiting for the government to "prove" its case. They have demanded an accounting of all of the money in and out of their trust fund. However, the government has not yet coughed it up. The government is responsible for the trust fund of those under the protection of the 'state', you see. The government has fiduciary duty, like your lawyer. They know, for example, that 135,000 pounds sterling was used in 1831 to build the Welland Canal, without their consent and without repayment. That is worth $13,457,859 Cdn now, even without interest on the 'loan'.

The reason to vote "yes" is to make sure that a party with a minority of public support can never again have a majority government. Currently 40% of the vote can get a party 70% of the seats and 100% of the power, with 60% of the people having no say for 4 years. Whichever party is in this position, there is a majority of people unsatisfied.

At the risk of confusing you, it is 33% of Canadians (representing about 10m, or about 6m adults), not natives (which would only be 300,000). It was a random poll. Reserves are generally excluded from those (as they use StatsCan's 'Labour Force' sample). It is extremely unlikely that aboriginal people were overrepresented in the sample. Is it necessary to distort facts into ignorant insults in order to malign decent people? Is that what your ego requires? How sad for you. It may just be that many of you with such nasty tendencies will have to eat your words, and I for one look forward to that day.

You don't know the law then? In order to be legal, then or now, a transaction had to have the approval of the people, via the Confederacy Council. Any transactions done by Brant without the authorization of the Council can be overturned and will be in negotiations. The money is a different issue, as much of Six Nations money was embezzled by our government to fund Canada's infrastructure.

http://www.queensu.ca/cora/polls/2002/Sept...-Aboriginal.pdf I can't find the Ipsos one, but the results are similar, except for the increase after June 29.

You are looking the wrong direction for the 'pillagers'. Try a mirror.

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index....&pid=251844 M Dancer's question ... 'Can I provide evidence of the support of Canadians for honouring treaties' ... Yes of course. Angus-Reid, 2002 " Governments should respect Aboriginal treaties. Question : In your view, should governments respect treaties signed by Caucasians and Aboriginals in the past ? n=1500 YES NO Don’t know Canada 68% 19% 13% A very similar survey was done in May 2007 by Ipsos, and was repeated early in July after the June 29 Day of Action. It showed about the same support initially - 69% I believe - rising to 77% after the Day of Action. Interestingly, 33% of Canadians also supported their right to blockade. Support of Canadians rose to its highest levels ever during the Oka crisis. Despite the governments' misinformation campaigns, Canadians are not stupid: They know who is breaking the law and it is our governments themselves.

Yes ... but I am posting it in the"Occupations" thread so as not to derail this one.

There is video of the builder and crew lying in wait. The man subsequently injured was the one carrying a baseball bat. It is reported that he attacked the 15 year old. Some reports say his brother and nephews were present. Then the 18 year olds came in and attacked him to get him off the younger teen. The builder's brother watched, the nephews ran outside to get two by fours. However, it was all over by the time they returned. You are again making snide and racist cultural references. Funny how aggressive racism surfaces when the truth doesn't fit your prejudices.

Rocks at Whiskey Trench During the Oka crisis, residents of Kahnawake south of Montreal blocked the Mercier Bridge. Alwyn Morris, a Mohawk from Kahnawake and gold medal kayaker for Canada describes his feelings about Canada before and after the events on the bridge. Part 1 http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=716...=Whiskey+Trench Part 2 http://www.freespeech.org/videodb/index.ph...27&browse=0

We were watching portions of "Rocks at Whiskey Trench" this afternoon at the Quarry with some people and one lady who got pushed into the river and dragged into the bridge abutment. During the rescue as some held her head above the water, and suffering from a broken hip she was lifted onto a stretcher, she still had the fortitude to sit up and raise her hand in disgust at the soldiers that put her there. ... Ya that the girl was my cousins kid and sad to say that she cannot have children as a result of her injuries (a broken pelvis) hip and leg.But she has grown alot since then and is a very very strong woman,she makes us proud. in peace and unity

There are also Confederacy Council records of what transactions they authorized Brant to make, and which ones they did not authorize. Brant had no ability to act unilaterally, except as he was instructed by the Council. He overstepped and he lost the confidence of the Council.

If the government did not subsequently steal the money from their account, yes, agreed. For any that were legitimately sold and paid for, yes. However, most were not legitimately sold.

This is more like if you are having a territorial dispute with your neighbour, and she starts building her garage on the disputed property. The province and the federal government have a Duty to Consult about developments on disputed land, but they have not fulfilled that responsibility. Instead, they have abandoned Six Nations and the developers to work it out on their own. We now see the result of the unclear messages from the governments: violence. It has not been established who attacked who, and I would wait for the facts before making assumptions of guilt. There is evidence that the builder came back to the site with a baseball bat and a crew, looking for a fight.

It is not as simple as "your way" and "our way", of course. But of course if by "your way" you mean 'Harper's way', I must point out that his share of the polls is far from a majority: Last I heard, 30% was not a majority of Canadians! However, a solid 70% of Canadians do want our governments to honour aboriginal rights and treaties.

They cannot legally be deported. This is their homeland. I find it odd that you repeatedly demand that they obey our laws, and yet you have NOTHING to say about whether our governments should also obey our laws. You see, if our governments WERE following our own laws, NONE of these blockades or confrontations would have had to happen. If you don't yet understand what I mean then you have nothing to add to this thread.

What are you talking about? Oka? Class??? Have you seen Rocks at Whiskey Trench? Did you know that Canadian soldiers threw two 14 year old girls off the Mercier Bridge, nearly killing them? Ya class... Alwyn Morris, former gold medal kayaker for Canada, does not have his affection for Canada anymore because of these events at Kahnawake during the Oka crisis. And people wonder why they do not want to be Canadian?

All I can say is its a good thing you boys don't run the world!

So you have no feasible solutions to offer? The only solution necessary is for our governments to follow our law. Would you agree that they should?

I don't think you have any credibility as a historian on this topic.

Your snide and derogatory cultural references have no basis in fact and are socially offensive.

Traditional rights are interpreted by the courts for a modern context. No culture is static. For example, some treaties specified that a 'medicine box' was provided. At that time, that was the extent of 'public health' - a medicine box for every community, native and non-native. Since health services were the same then, the courts have interpreted that as entitlement to the same free health care today as for all Canadians. I see some lack of comprehension here of what is currently happening. The Traditional Councils like the Haudenosaunee Confederacy are again asserting their right to govern. They are different than Band Chiefs, have different priorities. The traditional people were always there, but are not as well known or understood. The venerable Iroquois Confederacy lives. They were always our allies, and they keep their agreements about that. We haven't, and now we do have to answer for that.