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this is being covered in the other thread... Barr says the exact opposite of what all of these reports by hand picked "yes" men say. that appears to be his job now. Horowitz didn't come up with the right answer so I guess he should resign right? Horowitz pushes back at Barr over basis for Trump-Russia probe Senate Republicans defend FBI director after Trump lashes out guess not! anyways... now they got Durham. they should be able to eventually get the right answer from these hand picked "yes" men... I mean, eventually.

the two party system is only one party away from... communism.

And further cementing that you can't rely on a word Barr says... Everything is "still possible" with this guy, irrespective of him not being able to dig up anything to support whatever that thing is. Barr: Still possible FBI launched Russia probe in ‘bad faith’

And again... Hand picked people are unable or unwilling to reproduce lies. Here are the Russia probe conspiracy theories debunked by the DOJ inspector general report

Russublicans now confusing even Republicans! Folksy John Kennedy gets serious pushback on Ukraine mess

Trudeau made Canadians so proud today!

Maybe we'll just have to ageee to dissagree, Taxme... Or I respectfully request that you cite any of your claims like i do, as it seems you are living in a wierd alternate universe. For example, you say "Even Sondland admitted that Trump did not try to commit any quid pro quo against the Ukraine leader." But what Sondland actually said was "was there quid pro quo?... The answer is yes... Everyone was in the loop." Here is a link to his statement. You'll note that he was sitting there and speaking and saying those words. I can't help you if you continue to not believe your eyes and ears. Sondland says there was quid pro quo "nothing will come from these here stupid hearings either. " And actually, something will come of it... Trump is about to be impeached.

The Rebulicans witness's only objection is that legal supena's be allowed to work their way through the legal system. That the BEST witness that Republicans can come up with!

Pompeo, Mulvaney, Bar, the CIA, FBI and god knows how many other executive branch officials could come forward with proof that Trump is innocent of all charges right? Right? So why don't they? Why not end this circus now? We all know the reason they don't.... Because they can't. And as i write this, Rebublicans on the Judicial Committee are arguing that the offence itself is not an impeachable offence. They've given up on attempting to defend the offence.They attack everything but the facts And as i write this Rebublicans keep cutting off their own witnesses when they start going down the wrong road... They repeat that he is guilty of the offense.

How typical.... You don't have any logical argument. Or any intelligent insight. Everyone who doesn't agree with you is an enemy. I never said i was a fan of Democrats, or a liberal or any of your dog whistle words. You have no idea what my opnions are... I simply state credible facts. Here are some other credible facts. Trump is a populist. He is tyrant. He is a crook. And he probably a Russian agent or working on their behalf for his own gain. He survives with little minds flocking to his cult of personality. Its astounding how Rebublicans can advertise a set of values and attack others who they feel threaten those values only to suddenly alter those values 180 degrees in 10 seconds. And now this thread only attracts the name callers like yourself with no argument, no intellect, nothing... The post-truth generation. Because credible facts call the president a liar and a cheet and a danger to life, liberty and the American dream. And you love the coolaide of hate.

ALL FRAMED! so simple! the grand conspiracy! don't look for the obvious stuff... like Trump saying he did it and Mulvaney backing him up. look for something so probabilistic impossible that it must be true! haha! and many of those poor FRAMED guys were ratting on each other! they were FRAMING each other it appears!

Tucker Carlson roots for Russia! Tucker Carlson says he's rooting for Russia in conflict with Ukraine and this is truly the propaganda that gets Trump supporters REALLY CONFUSED! LOL!

Looks like your "proof" should be easy enough for the Trump AG, FBI and CIA to indict then, WestCanMan. Or at least Senate Republicans to investigate without looking like idiots? More importantly... Russian intelligence is ALL OVER Ukraine. they could easily supply the Trump administration with what they need. NOT HAPPENING! hahaha! Senate panel look into Ukraine interference comes up short State Dept. official rejects claims of Ukrainian election meddling But you miss the whole point. This thread is about Trumps impeachment... Not about Biden corruption. Bidden corruption is no legal defence for Trump. Just like crooked bank officials are not a legal defense for robbing the bank!

How surprising that Nunes was a part of the whole Ukraine shanking... NOT! GOP Rep. Devin Nunes' phone calls with Giuliani and one of his indicted Ukraine associates showed up in the House's impeachment report

I kinda feel sorry for Trump though... I mean, he had a rather tough time growing up. His brother didn't survive that. And now he is so obviously inwardly empty of things and clings to his own delusions of grandeur. Even his business is obviously built on money laundering for Russian oligarchs, north korea etc... Its a pretty empty existence. And its not like the history books will be quoting him or anything except in mokery.

Trump coming up empty handed again! And this from guys hand picked to fabricate his lies! Barr rejects key finding in report on Russia probe: report And the two Trump picked judges also smacking down same. Appeals court refuses to revive Carter Page lawsuit Boohoo!

Trumps going to jail. Heehehe... You know that at the very least... State investigators are just waiting for him to walk out of the white house. Individual 1? Maybe he can bunk with Stone? Manafort? Gates? Flynn? So many friends... What a team!

there you have it... Russia is not part of Trumps impeachment. not at all! not one little bit! hahaha!

like i said WestCanMan... we can both make up post truth stories all we like. but if it can't be proved in court then its worthless. if all of what you say is true then Trump should be able to come up with the goods. the raw hard evidence. the smoking gun. and the justice dept investigations should commence and end with conviction. you'll notice that THATS NOT HAPPENING! lol!

I was accused of misrepresenting your posts. Feel free to clarify for everyone.

So i've pointed this out before... Trump is in charge. He's totally obliterated any politcal shield between himself and the justice and security systems. He's able to wield the most powerful justice and security apparatuses on the planet. He alone. So if there is corruption somewhere and he wants to pursue it then he has the most capable tools in the world. But he's unable to lock up Clinton. He's unable to produce evidence about Biden. He's unable to prove that the FBI were spying on him. His justice department is only able to dig up the most minor of infractions by minor players. Now he could just fire people until he gets people that will give him the right answers. Remove people who fear for their own legal situations like Taylor, Vindman, Hill etc. The "deep state" is truly made of thousands of these law abiding servants. But that only provides a second challenge. That he would also need to fix the legal system of judges and remove trial by jury and control state legal systems. So, there will undoubtedly be no Biden corruption if he's unable to provide anything at the moment. Just spin from Russian intelligence. And he needs to have a foreign government with a far less robust legal system manufacture his lies. Yes, a robust legal system is a bitch to corruption.

Still waiting for bush_chenney2004 to clarify whether Russia is an ally or enemy... All we got so far are crickets singing.

the beauty of having the US as the ruler of the world is that they promote civil liberty, the rule of law, democracy and most importantly... free enterprise. these are all enemies of tyrants. we here in Canada enjoy those fruits as a US ally and we do what we can (given our fractional economy and population) and we have allies around the globe with the US that support the same concepts. and the economies of the US and all of its allies have prospered from these economic ties with free enterprise. Russia does not support civil liberties, the rule of law, democracy or free enterprise. Russia is ruled by corrupt tyrants. Economy of Russia " Credit Suisse has described Russian wealth inequality as so extreme compared to other countries that it "deserves to be placed in a separate category."One study estimates that "the wealth held offshore by rich Russians is about three times larger than official net foreign reserves, and is comparable in magnitude to total household financial assets held in Russia."[" "Under the government's cover, outrageous financial manipulations were performed that enriched a narrow group of individuals at key positions of business and government.[53] Many of them promptly invested their newfound wealth abroad producing an enormous capital flight" "the 110 wealthiest individuals were found in a report by Credit Suisse to own 35% of all financial assets held by Russian households.[90][91] Russia also has the second-largest volume of illicit money outflows, having lost over $880 billion between 2002 and 2011 in this way" "In May 2016 the average nominal monthly wages fell below $450 per month,[105] and tax on the income of individuals is payable at the rate of 13% on most incomes.[106] Approximately 19.2 million of Russians lived below the national poverty line in 2016,[107] significantly up from 16.1 million in 2015." so, yeah, we can allow them to slowly take over the world and fuck what we have up. or we can push back. and it doesn't take much. all of NATO is supplying Ukraine with military aide. the US's contribution is like pennies in the pocket of the US military budget. its the fact that we have their backs that matters. and then we reap the rewards with a new trading partner. Syria is certainly different. but the few hundred US troops there, again, completely inconsequential to US military spending. those boys were just sunbathing and flying the flag. but a big thorn in the side of tyrants that rule Syria and their allies Russia and Iran. so yeah, be pro-Russia all you like... in fact, pack up and move there! see how you like it! but say goodbye to criticizing the business/political elite on discussion forums! hahaha! cause you get arrested.

"Ukraine _was_ the enemy"? but not now, right? just say something bad about the Oligarchs. about Russian aggression! I dare you! lol!

Lets be clear. Saying that Russia can keep Crimea is pro Russia. Supporting giving back secure land to Syria is pro Russia. Trying to get Russia off the hook for 2016 election meddling is pro Russia. Approving of Russia 2016 election meddling is pro Russia. Implying that Ukraine is, instead, the ones who meddled in the 2016 election is pro Russia. Shanking Ukraine is pro Russia. Withholding congress approved military aid to Ukraine is pro Russia. Trying to get Russia back into the G7 is pro Russia. Supporting the removal of Russian sanctions without concessions is pro Russia. Praising Putin all the time is... Pro Russia. Pretending that historical allies never spilt blood with you is pro Russia Pretending that allies with strong economic ties don't help to grow your economy is pro Russia. Pretending that Russia is a democracy and not ruled with an iron fist by murdering gangsters is pro Russia. As far as bush_cheney is concerned... I've confronted that poster directly about pro Russian sentiment numerous times and it was never denied. That poster will deflect or cut their wrists before ever implying that Russia is a bad actor. They are a professional Russian crank sitting in St Petersburg as far as i'm concerned. You need to go back and read the posts.