kuzadd

god almighty that was previously posted here, and is a piece of garbage. I wrote this about it about that already................ kuzadd; so why do you think this was written, phony conversation and smear , taken into consideration. I think I named some of the techniques used in it. do you recognize them? Do you know what a Factual REBUTTAL is? LOL. Yes, I do! Apparently you DO NOT, since you posted this piece of garbage, complete with a fictionalized conversation between 'Mr Soprano' and Avery.( that was clearly a 'tongue in cheek' dialogue), do you know what that is??. Mr Soprano is fictional, you do understand that? He is a character in a tv series, you are aware of that right? Then you postulate this piece is a rebuttal, and a factual rebuttal, to boot, ????? I already told you what this piece is, and it isn't a factual rebuttal, in any sense of those words, only in your imagination. LOL

Right. Iraq is in chaos. The reputation of Americans around the world is at an all time low. His own party was kicked out of congress and will likely lose the presidency in 2008. I can't think of anything this guy has done right. Yet you expect people to believe it is all a show? not a show, but intentional, yes. The longer the US is there, the better to control the puppet government, make all manner of oil deals, build bases, build that embassy, WOW! bigger then the vatican , etc., launch other attacks, all out of Iraq. You didn't really think they were going to leave quickly now did you? come one?

I love that article, such nice spin "preventative" "Al Quaeda" hits all the buzz words so nice. blah, blah, blah. it's about the resources, the RESOURCES. The US wants first dibs. The african people will get the full force of America's 'benevolence' soon.

Brave and heroic people. I don't know. Does the thought that they were lied to about the air quality somehow make a controlled demolition more plausible? Probably for the same reason the injured veterans coming home from Iraq are being treated like garbage. Why do people jump to the conclusion that those of us who don't believe the controlled demolition story are rabid supporters of the Bush administration? In fact, my belief in the Bush administration's incompetence is one of the reasons I can't believe they could pull an operation like 9/11 off. lots of other questions. The Bush administration is NOT incompetent! That misleads people like you. IMO: they know exactly what they are doing.

no surprise here. http://allafrica.com/stories/200704030206.html and the empire marches on, and on and on. watch those costs grow, exponentially. Brzenszki: "In that context, how America 'manages' Eurasia is critical. Eurasia is the globe's largest continent and is geopolitically axial. A power that dominates Eurasia would control two of the world's three most advanced and economically productive regions. A mere glance at the map also suggests that control over Eurasia would almost automatically entail Africa's subordination, rendering the Western Hemisphere and Oceania geopolitically peripheral to the world's central continent. About 75 per cent of the world's people live in Eurasia, and most of the world's physical wealth is there as well, both in its enterprises and underneath its soil. Eurasia accounts for 60 per cent of the world's GNP and about three-fourths of the world's known energy resources." the war for control,of all the world's resources , by the US marches steadily forward.

another interesting problem for the loose change obsessed ........ wrt first responders. You do know the Bush admin LIED,via their mouthpiece, Christie Todd Whitman, epa Administrator, about the air quality at ground zero. ( you do know that right?) The first responders are getting the horrid treatment, as the Bush admin see's fitting, for the people they touted as hero;s when it was propagandically convenient to use them, but.........I digress. anyway.....where is the concern for those victims??? Think the loosechangeobssessed can cover that, in some manner to perhaps demonize the first responders, for daring to question to Bush admin, oh wait to risky, no good BS value in that. maybe one of the "loose change obsessed" can write an article, about actual facts wrt to the first responders, and their severe sickness, the lies of the EPA, that sure looks like it came straight from the Bush white house, and the horrible treatment the hero's are now receiving, talk about DISRESPECTING the victims! Hey more lies and more people will die, but, still the spinmasters put out there "loose change" pieces as if it matters, and foolish people lap it up. as if it matters. http://www.house.gov/list/press/ny08_nadle...uted091306.html "NEW YORK – Congressman Jerrold Nadler (D-NY), Congressman Anthony Weiner (D-NY) and Congressman Bill Pascrell, Jr. (D-NJ) today wrote Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez requesting that a Special Counsel be appointed to investigate whether criminal charges should be brought against former EPA Administrator Christine Todd Whitman, and against other government officials, for taking actions that may have endangered the lives of thousands of people following the September 11th, 2001 terrorist attack on the World Trade Center in New York. so stig, how about the first responders? why were they lied to wrt air quality? why are they now getting the shaft? why isn't the Bush admin making dam sure there hero's are getting the treatment they need for their diseases??? I really would love some answers on the numerous questions I have asked of you.

Yes, well if it's so innocent and innocuous, why, oh, why secretive meetings behind closed doors????

BTW Stig; intersting: I put this document together for several reasons: 1. To promote understanding of the facts about the terrorist attacks of 9/11 and to discourage relying on rumor and conjecture when searching for the "truth." 2. Because I believe that "Loose Change" is an influential introduction for many people to 9/11 conspiracy issues. 3. To encourage respect for the victims, living and dead, of the 9/11 attacks. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1: sets up the false premise off the hop, that rumour and conjecture are being used. 2: while this person may believe " that "Loose Change" is an influential introduction for many people to 9/11 conspiracy issues." doesn't mean many other or any other people do, except for apparently, yourself. 3:wrt:"encourage respect for the victims, living and dead, of the 9/11 attacks." that's interesting, with the conjecture being that it is "disrespectful" to the victims of 9/11 to see loose change. an amazing bit of garbage, perhaps he should see Press for Truth. http://www.911pressfortruth.com/ can you imagine there are family members of 9/11 vicitims who are being "disrespectful" of their own loved ones. lol. wonder what this person thinks of the fact of the Bush regime/junta not even wanting to investigate 9/11, then getting the master bs'r Kissinger, then underfunding the whole investigation, where is the piece on the Bush junta disrespecting the families, the vicitims etc., more BS, from the bs'rs!!!

here's some more questions??? Why were the dozens of warnings from many countries - some specific - not acted upon? - What happened to the money trail that linked the lead hijacker with Pakistan's intelligence service? - Why wasn't bin Laden apprehended whilst receiving kidney dialysis? - Why were FBI agents pulled from investigating al-Qaeda, before 9/11? - What are the links between some of the hijackers and the Saudi government? - Why were top al-Qaeda fighters and Taliban leaders allowed to escape US forces in Afghanistan? riddle me those, k???

why you so hung up on loose change?? do you think it is that substantial? or do the people who write this stuff want you to think it is?? questions: did iraq had wmd's? did iraq had anything to do with 9/11? did the bush admin. falsify intel ? did the bush admin allow torture, all the while alleging they are bringing freedom and democracy??? so many lies, so little time, and yet , you still believe? how is that possible? Yet, your so concerned over 1 movie, when so much BS, that is sooo obvious is staring you right in the face. how credible is that?

god almighty that was previously posted here, and is a piece of garbage. I wrote this about it about that already................ kuzadd; so why do you think this was written, phony conversation and smear , taken into consideration. I think I named some of the techniques used in it. do you recognize them?

"In that context, how America 'manages' Eurasia is critical. Eurasia is the globe's largest continent and is geopolitically axial. A power that dominates Eurasia would control two of the world's three most advanced and economically productive regions. A mere glance at the map also suggests that control over Eurasia would almost automatically entail Africa's subordination, rendering the Western Hemisphere and Oceania geopolitically peripheral to the world's central continent. About 75 per cent of the world's people live in Eurasia, and most of the world's physical wealth is there as well, both in its enterprises and underneath its soil. Eurasia accounts for 60 per cent of the world's GNP and about three-fourths of the world's known energy resources." The country that controls the ME, controls China, and Europe, since ME oil goes to Europe and China. What country has already invaded two ME countries, building massive military bases, with which to launch further attacks, on more countries. the US. So why is the US in the ME, it isn't the BS war on terror, and it isn't 9/11. It is the reason for war, all wars, CONTROL. As long as people buy the nonsense of the 'war on terror' and the bs of 9/11, the longer the 'war with no end' will go on, and the lives of the general population will get worse and worse, harsher, more controlled. Henceforth, we are the masters of our own misery, by buying into the 9/11 official story.

There were NO WMD's in iraq, none niente! David Kay announced that remember, after searching here , there and everywhere. NONE! i am sure nothing would have made the Bush regime happier, BUT, alas there were NONE. Bush lied and lied and lied.

are you for real???? So your ok with secretive meetings, in a democracy??? You know where gov is accountable to the people? So I'll take it you voted for this North American union, right?

Puppetmasters: The Political Use of Terrorism in Italy Book Description: The CIA has been accused of a massive intelligence failure in the run-up to the 9/11 attacks -- the result, it is said, of a moralistic and bureaucratic approach to information-gathering. But the CIA's spies had few qualms when it came to cultivating terrorist organisations and interfering in the internal politics of Cold War Italy. Puppetmasters reveals how US intelligence services exploited the P2 masonic lodge to prop up friendly Christian Democrat-dominated governments and counter the growing political influence of the Italian Communist Party. It was a ruthless strategy involving coup plots, right wing terrorist bombings and the manipulation of the Red Brigades. And it gave Italy one of the bloodiest and most protracted periods of terrorist violence ever seen in a modern, industrialised society. Terrorism courtesy of US and british intelligence. One of the main means in this strategy of tension was the infiltration of extreme left-wing movements. After the leaders of the Red Brigades were put in prison, the movement became totally controlled by governmental intelligence services. Bombings with indiscriminate killings of innocent civilian were blamed on the left in order to discredit left-wing parties, create fear among the population and concomitantly support the right-wing parties. (sounds so familiar) The most blatant sign of the collusion of the different players involved was the kidnapping and the murder of the Italian politician Aldo Moro by the Red Brigades. Also Moro tried to forge a center-left government with the communists. Except the Red Brigades had been totally infiltrated Information available on a lovely talk henry kissinger had with Aldo Moro,, but then I digress.... A key player in the strategy of fear was the infamous freemason lodge P2 and its venerable Master Licio Gelli, who attended as an honorary guest the inaugural ceremonies of the presidents Ford, Carter and Reagan. He was also implicated in the Lockheed bribery scandal. The main culprits in the deadly strategy were the Italian secret services. WRT Italy, in this situation. But, as the author rightly states, `they needed the endorsement of NATO and NATO's most powerful member. The US, Nato's most powerful member. so infilatration of groups, after the leadership is gone, bombing and terrorizing the populations, all been done before, vis a vis NATO, and cooperating intelligence groups particularily the US, and Britian. sounds so 9/11 ish.

one can also watch an interestinf documentary wrt to 'the strategy of tension' via operation Gladio, born out of WW2, responsible for lots of terrorism, perpetrated throughout Europe, in particular Italy with numerous bombings and the murder of PM Aldo Morro,(NOPE it was not the Red Brigades) and Northern Ireland. one can watch the 3 part documentary archived here: http://www.thedossier.ukonline.co.uk/video...etsocieties.htm Gladio. BBC Timewatch – Gladio (1992) Three-part series investigating the secret activities of 'stay behind' units in Europe after the Second World War. Exposes the clandestine terrorist activities of these groups in Belgium & Italy, and their involvement with the CIA. very interesting........................................

which consists in committing bombings and attributing them to others a little blurp from wiki: "In August of 1990, Italian Prime Minister Giulio Andreotti confirmed that a secret army, called Gladio, had existed in Italy throughout the Cold War period. His revelations were shocking, not simply because they admitted to something that had long been denied (including by Andreotti himself when speaking to a judicial enquiry in 1974 in his capacity as Italian Defence Minister), but because he went on to claim that a network of secret ‘stay-behind’ armies had been set up all throughout the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation countries. In short, this was an issue that involved far more than just Italy. As details emerged into the public realm, the story became ever more incredible. In the wake of WWII, at the start of the Cold War, intelligence agencies led primarily by the US and UK set up a network of agents and secret arms dumps across Europe, a network that would remain secret but active throughout the Cold War. An unregulated heavily armed military network." Fortunately for the US and Britian, the attack on iraq, gw 1, pushed this story out of the mainstream media. good thing. interesting little historical tidbit, I have found quite interesting.

The ties between the nazi's and American business were even worse then ford and ibm, the banks also, ran all sorts of schemes, to supply money to the 3rd reich. I've read one book, it sits on my shelf called: America and the Nazi's very interesting. America and it's business and religious institutions were part and parcel of the "business friendly" nazi;s and war profiteering was rampant as it is today. Then afterwards it got even better for America. The Bush family repartee, with the Nazi regime, was likely no different then anything else that was going on at that time, between American business's and the Nazi's, cause when there is misery to make a profit from it seems American business and companies are always there despite their governments rhetoric!

another article wrt Ford and it's profiteering under nazi germany, and slave labour http://www.newsfeeds.com/archive/soc-genea...c/msg00147.html Ford Motor Co. charged in Nazi secret profits on slave labor 1998-Daily Republican WASHINGTON DESK - A Belgium woman, forced to work as a slave laborer at a manufacturing plant in Cologne, Germany during World War II, sued the Ford Motor Company and its German affiliate. The suit, filed as a class action, seeks reasonable payment for the work performed and the disgorgement of unfair profits. "Apparently, the use of unpaid, forced laborers by Ford Werke A.G. was immensely profitable. Relieved of the necessity of paying wages, and operating at peak capacity to meet the inexhaustible need of the German army for tracked vehicles and other trucks, Ford Werke A.G. realized enormous wartime profits." goody for Ford, I mean having found themselves relieved of the burden of paying wages, sigh. "Throughout the war years, Edsel Ford and Robert Sorenson, high-ranking officials of Ford Motor Company, continued to serve as directors of Ford Werke A.G. The favorable treatment accorded by Nazi Germany to Ford Motor Company as the American owners of Ford Werke A.G. was attributable to a personal friendship between Henry Ford and Adolph Hitler. Henry Ford made annual birthday gifts of 50,000 deutsch marks to Adolph Hitler. " nice gifts. between friends I guess? ok, so let's just say Ford profitted handsomely, like a straight up war time profiteer, much like Haliburton today, and cut the crap. Germany never confiscated Fords German plants and they provided autos right through the war for whomever needed them, and made much dollars, as stated like a good ol' war profiteer, like Haliburton, profiting off of the misery of others!!!

Ford Motor Company (USA) owned from 55 to 90% of the shares of its subsidiary Ford Werke A.G. during 1933 to 1945. "Edsel Ford and Robert Sorenson, high-ranking officials of Ford Motor Company, served as directors of Ford Werke A.G. throughout the Nazi Third Reich." 4 The lawsuit alleges that the company made immense profits providing the German army with tracked vehicles and other trucks. This was because it worked at peak capacity for many years, and did not have to pay wages to many of its workers. Unlike most American facilities in Germany, Ford was not taken over by the German government during the war. whatever the reason , Ford was not taken over and proffited handsomely throughout ww2. the Ford motor company also profited from the use of slave labour. Additionaly Ford motor co. was sued by prisoners after the war.

additionaly: http://www.religioustolerance.org/fin_nazi.htm

Ford and numerous other American corporations, continued there relationship with the Nazi gov. to the end. Most notoriously IBM. http://www.ichblog.eu/index.php?option=com...ctlink&id=55575 a little 9 minute documentary re: Bush family and the nazi's "What a drama! Two of the most popular figures in 20th century America - Henry Ford and Charles Lindbergh - pitted against a third - Franklin Delano Roosevelt - over what to do about Adolf Hitler. Max Wallace reminds us that the destiny of the republic hung in the balance in the Great Debate of 1940-41." -Arthur Schlesinger Jr., Pulitzer Prize-winning historian

The memo reinforces suspicions that the Pentagon was more concerned with sparing officials from embarrassment than with leveling with Tillman's family. so sparing officials was the priority, rather then, being truthful to a family, who's son has been killed???? does seem odd priorities, to normal people, but then to bushco, anything that serves their "purpose" whatever their "purpose' may be, is obviously the priority.

btw: how do we delete posts? Is this possible? thanks in advance!

heard it, only. pathetic, I truly don't need the visual, it may inspire me to "gouge my eyes out" lol!!!!