Guthrie

Actually, that wasn't my argument. I've simply noted a strong correlation between fear of radical Islam and a certain breed of regressive conservatism. Yeah but that error in the correlation is that it stipulates you have to be a conservative. I know plenty of very liberal people who have an irrational fear of Islam. Besides your too smart to not know what you were insinuating. I digress from the thread. Continue on with your back and forth tizzy fit. it doesn't affect the correlation even if you really do know "irrational liberals" --- however, that phrase is an oxymoron as liberalism is guided by rationality

Yeah, it sucked.

no, certainly Britain claims to show proof -- but British proof of anything is notoriously questionable -- GWB said they had proof that Iraq had niger uranium - nobody but the right wing choir will blindly believe what the British are peddling - especially when it's tied to the illegal Buschista Regime as this story is

word out is, dubya has smoke coming out of his ears on this one

Well, the Kurds certainly not powerless. Why would they allow this office to operate and allegedly bring in Iranian military types? We do know this: the Iraqi government knew about the office and was, according to the Foreign Minister, in the process of giving it consular status (I don't know enough about Iraqi travel regulations to comment on whether consular status is the only way for foreigners to legally obtain travel documents so I'll let that pass for now). That means someone-either the Kurds or Iraqi government-gave this operation its blessing. Whoa!!!! somewhere some folks are missing an important point. Those, "Iranian military types," carried diplomatic passports and diplomatic immunity. If the Iraqi's decided those guys were illegal, the only recourse is to file a complaint with the Iranians and send their diplomats back home. Keeping them prisoner was an act of war and forbidden by a number of international laws Those sailors were clearly military and the legitimacy of their actions is still in question. the real negotiations now are about how to end the matter without embarassing the US too badly

Muslims are victims of persecution - at least that much is clear the bit about all wars being racist -- I don't think it really matters what you call the war - what does it matter? racism is, to my definition, falsely using group affiliation to judge a person negatively --

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/st...2047128,00.html Bush is jonesin to get himself an interrogator as good as them Iranis ---- even Jack Bauer ain't that good

Suppose someone were claiming it isn't racism because Islam is not a race; would that make it better? I call it racism but I don't care what you choose to call it - as long as you don't defend it. Especially, it is just completely infantile to defend hate by saying it isn't racism.

Guthrie, What are you smoking and can I have some???? The nazi's were German pal, the arian super race. There were several people that joined the SS, and fought with them yes. The last defenders of Berlin in 1945 were French nazis. People from Brazil are not strpping bombs to themselves and blowing up markets, Danish people are not driving car loads of explosives onto military convoys. Buddist monks are not flyng airplanes into buildings. Your arrguments here make about as much sense as someone in 1940 saying we should not attack or resist Germany because they are not nazis, they are not gassing people. Another point, you would take your family to Yeman, Syria, and Iran on vacation, good when do you leave:) Of course you would because if anything happened to you, we would all see you on TV crying and whining about how the Canadian gov't should come and save you..... Like I said, read your history. Wise up a little. Maybe quit such ugly, bigotted and misinformed beliefs. and whatever you're smoking, just say no! It could be what's gotten your brain so fuzzy

Link the seizure of those Iranian diplomats was, actually, more criminal of an act than the seizing of those sailors --- and the connection between the two incidents is a major embarassment for the buschistas as it, once again, shows their criminal willingness to engage in wreckless and illegal acts

Actually, that wasn't my argument. I've simply noted a strong correlation between fear of radical Islam and a certain breed of regressive conservatism. Not all conservatives are morons but all morons are conservatives.

Guthrie, What are you smoking and can I have some???? The nazi's were German pal, the arian super race. There were several people that joined the SS, and fought with them yes. The last defenders of Berlin in 1945 were French nazis. People from Brazil are not strpping bombs to themselves and blowing up markets, Danish people are not driving car loads of explosives onto military convoys. Buddist monks are not flyng airplanes into buildings. Your arrguments here make about as much sense as someone in 1940 saying we should not attack or resist Germany because they are not nazis, they are not gassing people. Another point, you would take your family to Yeman, Syria, and Iran on vacation, good when do you leave:) Of course you would because if anything happened to you, we would all see you on TV crying and whining about how the Canadian gov't should come and save you..... Like I said, read your history. Wise up a little. Maybe quit such ugly, bigotted and misinformed beliefs.

Apparently, this entire sailor hostage crisis began with a Buschista kidnap effort which was both illegal and screwed up Link

The clowns who make false claims about the Koran show only bigotry, hate and a willingness to spread lies to support their ugly and false beliefs.

The, 'Surge,' can not work. The war was lost right about the same time Bush was declaring victory. Even now, the Buschistas can't even tell us who our allies are and who our enemy is - and while McCain talks about how much better things are now that he can walk freely around a market place and while he fails to note the helicopters above and the squads of security all around - the violence doesn't just continue but it gets worse: Link and our closest ally in the region condemns the US occupation: Link

Thank you Peter F ---- spot on!!!

There have been more Canadian and American Nazi's than there were German Nazi's --- have you all forgotten William Beattie? even in the 30's and 40's there were German, Brazilian, Chilean, Spanish, Polish, Serbian, Turk, Italian ... even French Nazi's -- read your history

I should scan the media for evidence because you don't have any, no thanks??? Come on, left right middle it does not matter. Some things are true without posting evidence. The sun rises in the east, summer follows spring and most terrorists are Muslim these days. as far as labling terrorists, 'Muslim,' it is NOT true and anyone accepting the lie in spite of having nothing but street corner evidence, is nothing but bigotry if there is so much of this evidence, why is it no one can show it - it is really sad when %$#&* guys believe their prejudice more than they believe the truth

I should scan the media for evidence because you don't have any, no thanks??? Yes I would, your dimwitted assumptions aside. No, not almost every nazi was German troop surge? your the one who abandoned the troop surge discussion if you can't defend a position with anything better than saying you and all your buddies on the corner agree, don't bother

Once again read Middle Eastern history from 1945 to the present. I think that there was a conflict between Israelis, and another group of people, I forget who they were. If you think that the only reason why these people are terrorists is because of their religion, I'd say you are 110% wrong. I'm sure if someone was to take my home away from me, and then throw me in a refugee camp I would be a little bit bitter about that. As well their are Christian terrorists afoot, I believe one supposedly Christian poster lamented on here how we should be bombing more civilian's. Not all muslims are terrorists, but most terrorists are muslim theses days. how did you make that determination? do you have published information to back up such a claim???? I don't believe it's true. I believe it is just prejudice... bigotry... You need to get a little thicker skin. Reality can be very disappointing. Turn on the TV, listen to the news. When is the last time anyone from Sweden blew up an airliner. Have you ever heard of a Dutch suicide bomber. Has anyone from Fiji chopped the head off an infidel on the internet??? How many Buddists have said join us, convert or die??? I said NOT ALL muslims are terrorist, but most terrorists are muslim. It is not bigotry, it is reality. I am not going to cower in the corner affraid of political correctness, just because some weak knee people do not want to hear the truth. Islam has big problems, they seem to be the only religion who cannot play nice with others. I have been in Afghanistan, Saudi, Kuwait, and several other islamic countries. Some of my really good friends are muslim. Even they have said Islam has a major problem. Yes, there have been many incidents on others committing terrorist acts, but I am talking about the here & now, not the then & there. The reality of today at 0044, 2 Apr 2007 is that most terrorists are muslim......... What does any of this have to do with the troop surge anyhow????? I don't need thicker skin, you need thicker evidence. If you have it show it, otherwise you are just spouting bullroar.

Once again read Middle Eastern history from 1945 to the present. I think that there was a conflict between Israelis, and another group of people, I forget who they were. If you think that the only reason why these people are terrorists is because of their religion, I'd say you are 110% wrong. I'm sure if someone was to take my home away from me, and then throw me in a refugee camp I would be a little bit bitter about that. As well their are Christian terrorists afoot, I believe one supposedly Christian poster lamented on here how we should be bombing more civilian's. Not all muslims are terrorists, but most terrorists are muslim theses days. how did you make that determination? do you have published information to back up such a claim???? I don't believe it's true. I believe it is just prejudice... bigotry...

Spanish is not a race, ghetto is not a race, bilingual is not a race --- but Newt Gingrich is a racist: WASHINGTON -- Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich equated bilingual education Saturday with "the language of living in a ghetto" and mocked requirements that ballots be printed in multiple languages. "The government should quit mandating that various documents be printed in any one of 700 languages depending on who randomly shows up" to vote, said Gingrich, who is considering seeking the Republican presidential nomination in 2008. He made the comments in a speech to the National Federation of Republican Women. ... Chicago Tribune

how do you express your hate of these, 'extremists?' how do you recognise these, 'extremists,' on the street? where do these, 'extremists,' spend their time? what do you want to do about those areas where, 'extremists,' live? what kind of interrogation should your govt use when questioning these, 'extremists?' --- should they be treated the same as those British soldiers? should their confessions be considered as believable as those British soldiers? why do you believe, "Islam," is responsible for these, 'extremists?' why do you believe, "Islam," produces these, 'extremists,' more than, "Judaism," or, "Xtianity?" what part if Islamic religion leads most to producing these, 'extremists?' what part of everyday life should westerners have separate from these, 'extremists?' **************************************************************************** answer those questions and I'll answer any of yours (on the same topic)

was this parade supposed to be a bigger violation than showing Hussein in his underwear or the images of his sons bodies on display? are their confessions, made under duress, less beleivable than the confessions coming out of abu ghraib or gitmo??? same crap - same players - same old hypocrisy

We're not fighting a war against Islam -- suggesting we are, is just more bigotry. Further, this dodge about there being no 'Islamic Race,' is just that, a dodge. The fact is, there are no races at all just the human race. No white race, or black race or asian race. Unfortunately, racists never get that fact and hammer that tired line of, 'no gypsy race' or whatever. Disregard what you like - I happen to be speaking the truth but you can go ahead and disregard it if you like.