Guthrie

Guthrie, What are you smoking and can I have some???? The nazi's were German pal, the arian super race. There were several people that joined the SS, and fought with them yes. The last defenders of Berlin in 1945 were French nazis. People from Brazil are not strpping bombs to themselves and blowing up markets, Danish people are not driving car loads of explosives onto military convoys. Buddist monks are not flyng airplanes into buildings. Your arrguments here make about as much sense as someone in 1940 saying we should not attack or resist Germany because they are not nazis, they are not gassing people. Another point, you would take your family to Yeman, Syria, and Iran on vacation, good when do you leave:) Of course you would because if anything happened to you, we would all see you on TV crying and whining about how the Canadian gov't should come and save you..... Like I said, read your history. Wise up a little. Maybe quit such ugly, bigotted and misinformed beliefs. I have a degree in histroy, so I am well versed, thanks. I have been to these countries, sounds like you have not. It's not bigotry, it's the truth, which at times is ugly. Sorry you don't have the balls to stand up against radical islam. Anyhow, this will be my last day here, I am off for 6 months in Afghanistan tonight, with a short stop over at Vimy Ridge Monday. Where the real men are......... But you would not know about that would you.... it is my experience, when someone needs to claim some advanced knowledge of a subject, as saying, "I have a degree in..." They are doing so because they cannot answer a simple argument with facts. And when someone offers such a terribly misleading claim, such as, "The nazi's were German pal, the arian super race. " -- I am confident, there is no real degree in history. No real historian would ever attempt to limit Nazism by saying it was followed only by Germans maybe you're not so, 'well versed' as you say People like you don't get it, and never will. I like a good debate amoung those that are informed on their subject. You don't qualify. There were more Canadian and American nazis than Germans, sure....... Anyhow, I am done wasting my time with you. I am leaving tonight for Belgium, then Vimy on Monday. Off to Aghanistan a few days later. I will drop in an say hello now and then if I can.... Cheers everyone.. and when one misquotes an opponent, especially in a way that changes the entire argument, as you have just done, that shows a willingness to engage in dishonest debate

Guthrie, What are you smoking and can I have some???? The nazi's were German pal, the arian super race. There were several people that joined the SS, and fought with them yes. The last defenders of Berlin in 1945 were French nazis. People from Brazil are not strpping bombs to themselves and blowing up markets, Danish people are not driving car loads of explosives onto military convoys. Buddist monks are not flyng airplanes into buildings. Your arrguments here make about as much sense as someone in 1940 saying we should not attack or resist Germany because they are not nazis, they are not gassing people. Another point, you would take your family to Yeman, Syria, and Iran on vacation, good when do you leave:) Of course you would because if anything happened to you, we would all see you on TV crying and whining about how the Canadian gov't should come and save you..... Like I said, read your history. Wise up a little. Maybe quit such ugly, bigotted and misinformed beliefs. I have a degree in histroy, so I am well versed, thanks. I have been to these countries, sounds like you have not. It's not bigotry, it's the truth, which at times is ugly. Sorry you don't have the balls to stand up against radical islam. Anyhow, this will be my last day here, I am off for 6 months in Afghanistan tonight, with a short stop over at Vimy Ridge Monday. Where the real men are......... But you would not know about that would you.... it is my experience, when someone needs to claim some advanced knowledge of a subject, as saying, "I have a degree in..." They are doing so because they cannot answer a simple argument with facts. And when someone offers such a terribly misleading claim, such as, "The nazi's were German pal, the arian super race. " -- I am confident, there is no real degree in history. No real historian would ever attempt to limit Nazism by saying it was followed only by Germans maybe you're not so, 'well versed' as you say

The Muwahhidun are certainly isolationists. They want to have their lands ruled by Islamic law. But they have little interest in Xtians outside of their own borders. Further, they originated by a group of Arabic Jerry Falwell types and they never even spoke about Xtians --- they were interested in stopping the mystical Sufi movement. Today, there are fewer of them than there are KKK members but neocons love to paint them large in all of the Buschista propaganda fiction. oh, the label Wahabi was given them by their critics of that time -- so the name, 'Wahhabist,' shares that common history with the label, 'Yankee'

The final document will be the product of a United Nations network of 2,000 scientists as authors and reviewers, along with representatives of more than 120 governments as last-minute editors. It will be the second volume of a four-volume authoritative assessment of Earth's climate being released this year. The last such effort was in 2001. The following is from the Summary for Policymakers of the IPCC Climate Change Fourth Assessment Report Link in short, there are real measurable climate changes now occuring AND these changes are profoundly affecting life on Earth

Kwazy Wahabbit ---- BTW - other than Elmer Fudd's name for Bugs Bunny, who or what is a, 'Wahabbit?'

butchery is never a hoax -- the military industrial complex was dead serious about wanting a cold war and a vietnam war if we don't fight them commies in vietnam, we'll have to fight them on mainstreet USA --- change 'commie' to 'terrorist' and 'vietnam' to 'Iraq' and it's the very same story naturally, we can't afford to fight terrorists on mainstreet as we are still waiting for the inevitable invasion of viet cong promised by the DC fascists 40 years ago

I doubt that is the case today. counting all of the abortion clinic bombings and FBI shootouts in OK or ID and all their attendant support groups, I guess it was at least true before George Bush became the Al Qaeda Recruiters' Poster Boy. Certainly, the Al Qaeda bandwagon was given a monstrous boost by the illegal invasion of Iraq.

as noted there is nothing accidental, incidental or unintentional about a howitzer or a rocket or a daisy cutter

and they have the vulgarity to claim, 'it's getting better'

only genuine dimwits try to justify indiscriminate murder with words like, 'incidental' - 'unintentional' and 'collateral'

Absolutely. Hardly warranted at all. I mean if Iran had at least sawn their heads off and sold the snuff flicks, there'd be some reason for the deliberate flaunting of international convention. no need to behead them - had they merely been sent to Abu Ghraib or Gitmo it would have been a crime worthy of international retribution but, then again, only America has sent Brits (and Canadians too) to Gitmo --- and old Tony has never said a word about that

Language ought to be taken out of the hands of illiterate comma misplacers. says the only auto-typing, 'anti-dictionary'

yes, that was done --- there was also a famous feast in which the only ones who ate were indians --- the food was all poisoned the worst single incident of all the genocidal acts against native Americans (so far) was the Trail of Tears

I believe it IS racism to hate Christians --- it is also racism to say, 'while most Christians are not terrorists, most terrorists are Christians' even tho it's true

I'm on pin and needle.

and isn't all the uproar about how the Brits were treated just the most amazing display of international hypocrisy

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Gary Lunn, Minister of Natural Resources “Dear Prime Minister, - As accredited experts in climate and related scientific disciplines, we are writing to propose that balanced, comprehensive public-consultation sessions be held so as to examine the scientific foundation of the federal government's climate-change plans. This would be entirely consistent with your recent commitment to conduct a review of the Kyoto Protocol. Although many of us made the same suggestion to then-prime ministers Martin and Chretien, neither responded, and, to date, no formal, independent climate-science review has been conducted in Canada. Much of the billions of dollars earmarked for implementation of the protocol in Canada will be squandered without a proper assessment of recent developments in climate science. “Observational evidence does not support today's computer climate models, so there is little reason to trust model predictions of the future. 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When the public comes to understand that there is no "consensus" among climate scientists about the relative importance of the various causes of global climate change, the government will be in a far better position to develop plans that reflect reality and so benefit both the environment and the economy. “‘Climate change is real’ is a meaningless phrase used repeatedly by activists to convince the public that a climate catastrophe is looming and humanity is the cause. Neither of these fears is justified. Global climate changes all the time due to natural causes and the human impact still remains impossible to distinguish from this natural ‘noise.’ The new Canadian government's commitment to reducing air, land and water pollution is commendable, but allocating funds to ‘stopping climate change’ would be irrational. We need to continue intensive research into the real causes of climate change and help our most vulnerable citizens adapt to whatever nature throws at us next. “We believe the Canadian public and government decision-makers need and deserve to hear the whole story concerning this very complex issue. It was only 30 years ago that many of today's global-warming alarmists were telling us that the world was in the midst of a global-cooling catastrophe. But the science continued to evolve, and still does, even though so many choose to ignore it when it does not fit with predetermined political agendas. We hope that you will examine our proposal carefully and we stand willing and able to furnish you with more information on this crucially important topic.” Dr. Ian D. Clark, professor, isotope hydrogeology and paleoclimatology, Dept. of Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa Dr. Tad Murty, former senior research scientist, Dept. of Fisheries and Oceans, former director of Australia's National Tidal Facility and professor of earth sciences, Flinders University, Adelaide; currently adjunct professor, Departments of Civil Engineering and Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa Dr. R. Timothy Patterson, professor, Dept. of Earth Sciences (paleoclimatology), Carleton University, Ottawa Dr. Fred Michel, director, Institute of Environmental Science and associate professor, Dept. of Earth Sciences, Carleton University, Ottawa Dr. Madhav Khandekar, former research scientist, Environment Canada. Member of editorial board of Climate Research and Natural Hazards Dr. Paul Copper, FRSC, professor emeritus, Dept. of Earth Sciences, Laurentian University, Sudbury, Ont. Dr. Ross McKitrick, associate professor, Dept. of Economics, University of Guelph, Ont. Dr. Tim Ball, former professor of climatology, University of Winnipeg; environmental consultant Dr. Andreas Prokoph, adjunct professor of earth sciences, University of Ottawa; consultant in statistics and geology Mr. David Nowell, M.Sc. (Meteorology), FRMS, Canadian member and past chairman of the NATO Meteorological Group, Ottawa Dr. Christopher Essex, professor of applied mathematics and associate director of the Program in Theoretical Physics, University of Western Ontario, London, Ont. Dr. Gordon E. Swaters, professor of applied mathematics, Dept. of Mathematical Sciences, and member, Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Research Group, University of Alberta Dr. L. Graham Smith, associate professor, Dept. of Geography, University of Western Ontario, London, Ont. Dr. G. Cornelis van Kooten, professor and Canada Research Chair in environmental studies and climate change, Dept. of Economics, University of Victoria Dr. Petr Chylek, adjunct professor, Dept. of Physics and Atmospheric Science, Dalhousie University, Halifax Dr./Cdr. M. R. Morgan, FRMS, climate consultant, former meteorology advisor to the World Meteorological Organization. Previously research scientist in climatology at University of Exeter, U.K. Dr. Keith D. Hage, climate consultant and professor emeritus of Meteorology, University of Alberta Dr. David E. Wojick, P.Eng., energy consultant, Star Tannery, Va., and Sioux Lookout, Ontario. Rob Scagel, M.Sc., forest microclimate specialist, principal consultant, Pacific Phytometric Consultants, Surrey, B.C. Dr. Douglas Leahey, meteorologist and air-quality consultant, Calgary. Paavo Siitam, M.Sc., agronomist, chemist, Cobourg, Ontario. Dr. Chris de Freitas, climate scientist, associate professor, The University of Auckland, N.Z. Dr. Richard S. Lindzen, Alfred P. Sloan professor of meteorology, Dept. of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences, Massachusetts Institute of Technology Dr. Freeman J. Dyson, emeritus professor of physics, Institute for Advanced Studies, Princeton, N.J. Mr. George Taylor, Dept. of Meteorology, Oregon State University; Oregon State climatologist; past president, American Association of State Climatologists Dr. Ian Plimer, professor of geology, School of Earth and Environmental Sciences, University of Adelaide; emeritus professor of earth sciences, University of Melbourne, Australia Dr. R.M. Carter, professor, Marine Geophysical Laboratory, James Cook University, Townsville, Australia Mr. William Kininmonth, Australasian Climate Research, former Head National Climate Centre, Australian Bureau of Meteorology; former Australian delegate to World Meteorological Organization Commission for Climatology, Scientific and Technical Review Dr. Hendrik Tennekes, former director of research, Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute Dr. Gerrit J. van der Lingen, geologist/paleoclimatologist, Climate Change Consultant, Geoscience Research and Investigations, New Zealand Dr. Patrick J. Michaels, professor of environmental sciences, University of Virginia Dr. Nils-Axel Morner, emeritus professor of paleogeophysics & geodynamics, Stockholm University, Stockholm, Sweden Dr. Gary D. Sharp, Center for Climate/Ocean Resources Study, Salinas, Calif. Dr. Roy W. Spencer, principal research scientist, Earth System Science Center, The University of Alabama, Huntsville Dr. Al Pekarek, associate professor of geology, Earth and Atmospheric Sciences Dept., St. Cloud State University, St. Cloud, Minn. Dr. Marcel Leroux, professor emeritus of climatology, University of Lyon, France; former director of Laboratory of Climatology, Risks and Environment, CNRS Dr. Paul Reiter, professor, Institut Pasteur, Unit of Insects and Infectious Diseases, Paris, France. Expert reviewer, IPCC Working group II, chapter 8 (human health) Dr. Zbigniew Jaworowski, physicist and chairman, Scientific Council of Central Laboratory for Radiological Protection, Warsaw, Poland Dr. Sonja Boehmer-Christiansen, reader, Dept. of Geography, University of Hull, U.K.; editor, Energy & Environment Dr. Hans H.J. Labohm, former advisor to the executive board, Clingendael Institute (The Netherlands Institute of International Relations) and an economist who has focused on climate change Dr. Lee C. Gerhard, senior scientist emeritus, University of Kansas, past director and state geologist, Kansas Geological Survey Dr. Asmunn Moene, past head of the Forecasting Centre, Meteorological Institute, Norway Dr. August H. Auer, past professor of atmospheric science, University of Wyoming; previously chief meteorologist, Meteorological Service (MetService) of New Zealand Dr. Vincent Gray, expert reviewer for the IPCC and author of The Greenhouse Delusion: A Critique of 'Climate Change 2001,' Wellington, N.Z. Dr. Howard Hayden, emeritus professor of physics, University of Connecticut Dr. Benny Peiser, professor of social anthropology, Faculty of Science, Liverpool John Moores University, U.K. Dr. Jack Barrett, chemist and spectroscopist, formerly with Imperial College London, U.K. Dr. William J.R. Alexander, professor emeritus, Dept. of Civil and Biosystems Engineering, University of Pretoria, South Africa. Member, United Nations Scientific and Technical Committee on Natural Disasters, 1994-2000 Dr. S. Fred Singer, professor emeritus of environmental sciences, University of Virginia; former director, U.S. Weather Satellite Service Dr. Harry N.A. Priem, emeritus professor of planetary geology and isotope geophysics, Utrecht University; former director of the Netherlands Institute for Isotope Geosciences; past president of the Royal Netherlands Geological & Mining Society Dr. Robert H. Essenhigh, E.G. Bailey professor of energy conversion, Dept. of Mechanical Engineering, The Ohio State University Dr. Sallie Baliunas, astrophysicist and climate researcher, Boston, Mass. Douglas Hoyt, senior scientist at Raytheon (retired) and co-author of the book The Role of the Sun in Climate Change; previously with NCAR, NOAA, and the World Radiation Center, Davos, Switzerland Dipl.-Ing. Peter Dietze, independent energy advisor and scientific climate and carbon modeller, official IPCC reviewer, Bavaria, Germany Dr. Boris Winterhalter, senior marine researcher (retired), Geological Survey of Finland, former professor in marine geology, University of Helsinki, Finland Dr. Wibjorn Karlen, emeritus professor, Dept. of Physical Geography and Quaternary Geology, Stockholm University, Sweden Dr. Hugh W. Ellsaesser, physicist/meteorologist, previously with the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, Calif.; atmospheric consultant. Dr. Art Robinson, founder, Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine, Cave Junction, Ore. Dr. Arthur Rorsch, emeritus professor of molecular genetics, Leiden University, The Netherlands; past board member, Netherlands organization for applied research (TNO) in environmental, food and public health Dr. Alister McFarquhar, Downing College, Cambridge, U.K.; international economist Dr. Richard S. Courtney, climate and atmospheric science consultant, IPCC expert reviewer, U.K. your list of names here is meaningless --- some number of them don't defend what you say they defend some others of them are not who you pretend them to be

Madagascar is associated with two separate genocidal holocausts

the first scam in human history in which the money all goes the other way

Sure must be a lot of people working for the CIA on this forum. and that doesn't even cover the Retired Submarine Spies --- (Oh Yes, we have someone making such a claim)

parse it out any way you want - peddling death is peddling death

No, they don't. Not between France and Germany.The US and Canada can control who enters our continent. We cannot control who crosses between our countries - and we shouldn't try. America's Homeland Security starts when a person arrives in North America, and the Americans would be wise to understand this - and our negotiators to remind Americans of this. all of the EU borders which cross from one EU country to another can be crossed without a passport

I Love America!

Torture, is the tool of cowards.

There is no, there is a utilitarian code in which it would be perfectly legal at the point where it's overall benefit is greater than it's overall cost there are a number of credos that allow any and all acts - capitalism is among them - none have any claim to morality or moral high ground AND allow torture