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National Post pokes fun at Liberal Strategy. http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/f...trust-oops.aspx Yes the NP is the Mouthpiece of the CPC, but there is a lining of truth on how the LPC steered themselves into this mess.

Well, Mr. Canada. You made a mess of Chantel Heberts Column. Aside from your partisanship, this column is brutal on the LPC under Ignatieff. One of the most damaging Observations that Chantel provides is this one. That I will repeat for you for good measure

Yes, Harper fixed Cod Fisheries in NL. Must have been all the local input from CPC MPs..... Oh yeah, there aren't ANY

Thanks... I nearly hit the report button

I don't expect that too happen.

Mr. Canada is back in all his glory....

She's trying to create a pension plan for her nannies

Bird Commentary to follow. I had to laugh reading this. THere is no NDP meltdown like The LPC spin doctors tried to create. The LPC Chicken has turned into a Turkey, and the NDP ate some crow and their chicken has laid some tastey eggs to share with all political strips. Yummy. I will have to go into the history books and see if there was ever a position, decision or choice the NDP made that had 72% support. Looks like when the NDP lost their free oppose anything ride, and had to make the tough choice, it benefited them to do so. Politics is a strange bird.

IIRC the last time Harper had 3 By Elections on the go, and as they were going down the tubes for the CPC and the CPC weren't going to win one of them, particularly Guelph where they pulled every stunt in the books and undermined democracy to boot, the CPC decided to pull the plug and let the 3 By elections run into a General Election where the optics would be better then 3 straight losses.

The NDP is supporting EI Legislation. The NDP didn't support the LPC non confidence motion. Doing so would undermine the legislation they want to see passed. By not voting with the LPC it means that there will be no forced election. By not voting with the CPC it shows, that the NDP support for their actions is tepid. Do you believe that this support will go on for 4 years and 79 confidence votes without question? Looking at the latest polling data, the NDP remain in their traditional levels, the LPC should be happy their isn't an election and the voters are also pleased that we are not going to the polls. If the CPC have balls and want to force an election.... Go ahead make my day (I hate unnecessary elections.) This time there will be a voter backlash on who gets the blame for making the government fall.

Hebert loves to go on the attack when things are going wrong. Has Ignatieffs posturing and bluster moved the LPC from contention to win a minority government to handing the keys to the bus over to the CPC?

I recall talking to a CPC MP during the Labour Day Weekend. He was completely dumbfounded and in total disbelief that the government could fall. He didn't believe it and said that the government will find a way to survive. I didn't believe his words, but they have proven to be accurate so far. Thus, it didn't appear to me as if the CPC had any intention of pulling the same stunt as last year. However, I did expect the government to fall, and still believe that fall is this FALL

These are Crop polls from yesterday and taken prior to the Outremont incident. Crop Quebec poll: (Remember in Quebec crop was right on the money last election) Bloc Quebecois - 33% Liberals - 26% Conservatives - 21% New Democrats - 13% Greens - unknown, but 7% remains

The Toronto Star is a Liberal Paper. That surprises no one, anymore then the Toronto Sun is a Conservative Paper or the National Post is Conservative and the Globe and Mail is business first and recognises that one of the two major parties will do the bidding of the corporate sector and are not overly partisan one way or the other.

Apparently hasn't made dent one way or the other.The vote came on a day when a new poll showed little change in voters' preferences. The Angus Reid/Toronto Star poll showed the Conservatives at 37 per cent, Liberals at 27 per cent, NDP at 17 per cent, Bloc Quebecois at 11 per cent and Greens at 6 per cent. The poll of 1,000 Canadians was done Tuesday and Wednesday and is considered accurate within 3.1 per cent, 19 times out of 20. http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/703843

Apparently there is an Angus Reid Poll out today with the following numbers. The vote came on a day when a new poll showed little change in voters' preferences. The Angus Reid/Toronto Star poll showed the Conservatives at 37 per cent, Liberals at 27 per cent, NDP at 17 per cent, Bloc Quebecois at 11 per cent and Greens at 6 per cent. The poll of 1,000 Canadians was done Tuesday and Wednesday and is considered accurate within 3.1 per cent, 19 times out of 20.

Is there really anything worse then that? In your best Charlton Heston voice. MY GOD!!! IT ISN'T A PARKING LOT!!! ITS PEOPLE OPPS, ITS A SOY BEAN FIELD!!! (From Soylent Green) Marlon Brando THE HORROR THE HORROR (APOCALYPSE NOW) TAKE PARADISE SOY BEAN FIELD PUT UP A PARKING LOT Joanie Mitchell.. Well, this is terrible news. There is a delay in a parking lot. Really, how did this screw up make it in the speech???

Yes the LPC called for cash infusion. Yes the Conservatives are fiscally irresponsible and that was a fact prior to the 2008 Election. Few people paid attention then either.

For those looking for Ignatieffs Speech today here it is House of Commons Mr. Speaker, I rise in this House today to announce formally that the official opposition has lost confidence in the government. This is a serious step and we owe an explanation both to this House and to the Canadian people of our grounds for doing so. Nous avons perdu confiance dans ce gouvernement et nous nous mettons debout pour protéger les gens qui ont été abandonnés par ce gouvernement. Je vais essayer de donner des raisons concrètes pour lesquelles nous allons retirer la confiance de ce gouvernement. First of all, the Conservatives have lost control of the public finances of our country. A year ago they were at the edge of deficit; by February, they were at a deficit of $32 billion; suddenly, four or five weeks later, it is at $50 billion; and at the end of the summer they announced the deficit was at $56 billion. .........

Beware Thread drift....Independents do not have the parlimentary resources or QP time that is available to political parties. The system is skewered against independents more then anyone else.

You could be right. I have never seen Laytons Facebook page. But for every upset NDper and phoney NDPer that is an LPCer with phoney outrage, there appears to be alot of non voters, who are following the news and seem to be taking the position that they neither wanted an election and Layton has done the right thing. Whether this translates into polling numbers or not is disputable. But the NDP role in parliment is to get something, and being a party of infinite opposition is a fools game.

The bottom line is...Ignatieff took a position in May, back up with a Gunfight in June, that he was going to do everything to help the unemployed. By August, Ignatieff backed down completely on EI. EI was no longer important. The problem as I see it...... Is that you are focused on party politics and polling data and whether or not the NDP will get wiped out. I see it as there is a regional EI program that is going national. A program developed by the public sector, not the Conservatives, and the civil servants working in EI wanted to see this successful program go nationwide. It required funding, and the political parties can play politics... or get the money secured. I really don't care if the NDP polling numbers go down. The fact is, the NDP did the right thing. It is difficult to argue that the NDP did the wrong thing by supporting a bill that helps people. Call them hypocritical, free riders, pushed into a corner... whatever, even "chicken" as the childish masters running the LPC have chosen as a political strategy. But the bottom line is, the LPC played politics and were more interested in taunting the NDP then doing the right thing for the people they exploited all summer.

FFS jdobbin. I am replying to your comments that you compare polls 1 year apart. I pull out the data for Quebec that shows the NDP marginally higher, and you go full circle and abandon that fact to suggest the NDP showed higher numbers in Quebec earlier this year. I know you are having many discussions, but try to keep the goal post in the same spot during the conversation. Its sometimes difficult to tell if you are playing by NFL or CFL rules, or if the game is Hardball or Softball, or chess or checkers.... If you wish to compare LPC and NDP strategy in Quebec based upon a poll that had the NDP at 18%, then you would be aware that the LPC have lost something like 12% to 14% in Quebec over the same period of time, and that is before the Coderre debacle.

Smoke em if you got em.