White Doors

nice work riverwind.

~yawn~

Who on this thread advocated for an outright ban on abortion? I was saying the pendulum swung too far the other way after strinking down our old abortion laws. Currently we have none. No other western country in the world has none. You don't have to be a 'right wing religious wacko' to believe that this is wrong. The problem with the abortion debate is that one side always cites the other's fanatics. The moment of conception no abortion types and the birth canal types where you can have an abortion right up to that time. Neither view is correct but we are stuck with one extreme. We need legislation that reflects Canadians attitudes that lie somewhere in the middle. Legal fetal protection at a defined stage of development barring health issues. Pro-choice until the passage of time that the fetus has rights too. Back to the OP, Morgantaler is a fanatic at one end of this spectrum. I would not expect a representative from either polarizing spectrum to receive the order of Canada. Your non-sensical arguments not-withstanding, there is room to negotiate on this issue without changing the basic facts of freedom and morality.

Wow, I feel much better about y savings now. haha the rule of thumb I heard was to have double your yearly income invested by the time you are 40.

Agreed 100%

I do belive morgantaler is an extremist. I do believe alot of the people who believe in ZERO rights for a fetus up until birth are extremists as well. I do however, believe that there are those that are misled in that camp as well. My point remains but feel free to keep dancing around it. Morgantaler is a polarizing figure in the abortion debate and one only needs to see the backlash of him being awarded the order of Canada to see this. He did not bring people together and make this a better country. He divided us when it was not necessary to do so. The old abortion laws needed to be changed but the bar went too far the other way and now Canada is the wild west on the abortion issue in the western world. No other western country affords no protection for the fetus like Canada. I feel, as do the majority of others, that this needs to be changed.

He is in the minority. Abortion is a no-win argument for anyone to make, but a clear majority of Canadians DO support some sort of fetal rights. Morgantaler is definitely among the minority. I would also suggest that alot of the people who support zero fetal rights, are, extremist as I would also say that alot of the people in no abortions are extremists. Would you be ok with an extremist anti abortion rights person received the order of Canada?

.... that better?

Thanks for the link BD. From your link: So the majority of Canadians do NOT support no legal rights for a fetus until birth, a position the morgantaler supports. so, thanks for proving my point.

I think when the higher brain functions start to get going, the third trimester. If all are healthy there should be no right to abort after that time in my opinion. If the woman hasnb't made up her mind by that time then I think that she should have to have it. I don't think that is unreasonable. I am not saying that that scenario happens alot, but I do think they fact that it is perfectly legal to do so - is wrong.

So when are they coming for you for daring to share the TRVTH?

Ironically, Drea's hero would view her as a pariah due to her previously expressed views for the man to be able to have a legal say in wether the woman can have an abortion or not. Drea has also previously favoured restrictions on abortions after a certain time period has passed in the pregnancy - something Morgantaler would fight vociferously against. I guess Drea should learn more about her 'hero'. lol It's not that Morgantaler is for abortions, it's that he is for NO rights for the fetus up to the moment of delivery. That is an extremist view by most people's accounts. Most reasonable people would be in favour of limiting abortions where the health of the mother and fetus are normal after 3 or 4 months. Most reasonable person has no problem with that. Morgantaler and his ilk DO NOT believe in that at all and are 100% against it. That is not a main stream view. It is extremist. I don't think the Order of Canada should be given to extremists.

Wow, another world traveller I see..

I live in NB genius. That was the only part of that post worth responding to.

The HRC are not courts. strike one. The complainants are represented for free. The defendants are not. strike two. The HRC's rules of conduct in no way resemble the court of law, truth is no defence and there is no burden of proof, no discovery rules and no precendents used to deliberate. They just need to see that someone 'genuinely' was offended by what they read and see probability that others in that group could be offended as well. strike three. This is not about libel or defamation of character, all covered by the traditional courts of law. This is about PC run amok. Link! (read and be amazed - if you really are here to learn) http://blog.macleans.ca/2008/06/02/liveblo...E2%80%94part-i/

The 'evidence' he asked for is a matter of public record and can be found in McLean's and anyone else who has filed a report on the hearing. He wasn't asking for evidence, he was asking to be spoon-fed.

LOL!

Wow, too funny. I thought the left was supposed to be better educated and traveled than the right? when did the roles reverse?

Thanks Seg, but just wait for the 'buts'. BD is against the various HRC's sensoring Free speech, unfortunately, he hates anything that hints of right wing even more so it understandably clouds his judgement.

I am not distorting the facts, I know BD, it is seemingly unbelieveable, but if you look up the relevant sections you will see that I am correct. I am not doing your homework for you. You look up the legislation and then come back here and eat crow.

That link was from a UK paper genius

Yes, but the payments you make on the investment is an asset in yoru home and ups the resale value. The payments to the power company are neither.

Are you that sheltered that you really think this?

??? A fetus is NOT an unborn human? If that is true, tell me of one instance in which a human was never a fetus!

lol