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The evangelist declared himself as the catalyst for the change. But no one else did. He just claimed credit for it. This has nothing to do with pro-business or anti-business.

Censhorship is the removal or banning of content. It has nothing to do with tax breaks or funding. If the content is made, the government cannot disallow it, or edit it. They are just not in the business of helping it either. That's not censorship. That's denying a tax credit. No one has an inalienable right to tax credits. And also thanks to the liberal created HRC, it seems as if no one has an inalienable right to free speech either.

Agreed. I don't know how anyone in his right mind could logically conceive that not funding something is censorship. On another forum, someone compared this "censorship" to the old Soviet Union. I debated the logic of that, and how it isn't part of one's free speech rights that one also be supplied with tax dollars in order to exercise that free speech. I also raised the point that real breeches of free speech were being made by the HRCs. I soon found that many of the same people who refer to the conservatives' decision as censorship, are also avid supporters of the HRC. Go figure It makes complete sense to me, that governments would selectively fund material. As long as they do not ban the rights of independant parties to create the material (or bar it from being displayed) there is no semblance of censorship. I think this should extend beyond film as well. Because when you think about it, Canada has been kind of wierd with funding stuff like this. Just the other day someone said to me, "What kind of Government would think it was vital to spend tax-dollars on the production of Kevin Spencer." And even if I happen to like some shows like that, its not the job of a nation's government to produce that stuff.

So everytime someone is hauled before these wingnuts, we can expect charitable Canadians to be responsible for paying someone's costs? That's ridiculous. That's like saying it was ok for me to steal a 1000 dollars from you, because afterward your cousin felt bad and gave you a thousand bucks.

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Lol thats ridiculous Margrace. You made a claim about Harper and people defended him. And then there is your original assertion that the conservatives don't like women....which is based on nothing. It's like saying Hillary hates men cuz of her differences with Obama.

And yet no one is overly afraid of the Christian reaction and the books get printed. Embassies are not burned, nuns don't get shot. Do you think Mr. Dawkins or JK Rowling are in the same pickle as Salman Rushdie? Maybe they could kill two PC birds with one stone and have the Cookie Monster eat the Mohammed Cookies.

You did twist his words. You, in turn, just used your child to implicate Kengs in something he did not do.

Yes, and you will notice that in the very next post I rectified that. I said perhaps scripted was not the right word.

I agree. But nonetheless my statement stands. Being proud of being Christian in America is the same as being proud of being Christian in Iran---whether or not that is a good or bad thing. Pride is pride, no matter where it is. Salt is salt. Take Canadian salt to Timbuktu and its still salt.

You would get upset because of that attitude. When I read that I did not take it as all native americans feel this way. Perhaps you are right. But I don't think she sounded hateful. Pissed off, perhaps. Let's just allow her a day or two to come back. If not we will dismiss her as a troll dropping a bomb like JBG says.

How do most people back up personal experiences like that? I don't find her claims so unbelievable. I have heard alot of similar ones myself. And how does failing to back up that claim indicate increased hatred? She only implicated individual people not an entire race.

Although this does nothing to clear her name either, it certainly does not muddy it in my opinion. She gave examples of certain people from other races who did these things. Including the native person who she claims made this quote. She does not say all natives are this way. She just says that racist mindsets do exist in other races. I know for one, that arguing on political chats on IRC I have heard people make the claim that only whites can be racist. To point out that someone could say this is not spreading hatred. I sense frustration and anger in her post yes, but she clearly goes out of her way to say that she has nothing against other races. In my experience, these hard-core racists usually have no scruples about saying whether or not they believe other races are inferior. So as far as I know she is only angry and frustrated about this attitude that whites are the bad guy.

Aye, now that is a good point JBG, but she only dropped this bomb yesterday, and some people do not frequent the boards as much as you or I. So I'd say the jury is still out.

No she never said that at all. In fact she said she had nothing against other races. She did say however that she did grow up under the impression that white people are bad, and now this pride is in spite of that thinking. The same way black pride might exist in spite off Cybercoma's adversity, her's is in spite of the idea that white people are evil racist snobs. That makes a lot of sense to me. I don't get the sense that she is really "proud" to be white, but proud in the sense that she is certainly not ashamed of it, and that she does not owe anyone anything because of it.

So then basically you would say it is ok for Archangel to be proud of being white?

I absolutely agree with you, or Wild Bill's formulatoin was also acceptable. But if you feel it is silly for a white person to say this, you must also say this to an asian or a black person.

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Har har. But you are making a good point. It is just a little more "scary". But it is ridiculous nonetheless. It is something you have been conditioned to think. Black pride---ok. Hispanic pride---ok. White pride---Racist!!!!!. The fact that some people may be conditioned to think of it as scary does not make it really so, and it does not trump the right of someone to have pride in their race, if people of other races can do the same.

Being proud to be Christian means being proud to be Christian, whether you are in North America or Atlantis or Iran. I would not say that there is any less meaning to pride in one's English heritage than there is to pride in another's Irish heritage. The fact that someone's ancestors may have went through a harder time than someone else's ancestors does not mean that one has more reason to be proud than the other.

No it doesn't necessarily mean more. Enduring adversity is a reason to be proud. But it is not the only one. And there are other reasons in between enduring adversity and being boastful.

Name them.

Not in this case. Because there is nothing to be suspicious of.

Yes, I do.

I never said she was an actor or that the family was not hers. Only that this was set up.