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I have to agree with you here Kuzy. That is kind of a scary prospect.

If I were an employer---well actually I might not care too much about pot because I know many people who can function quite well on it. Nonetheless I would rather that an employee comes to work under the influence of nicotine than mary jane. One is an intoxicant. It's not about how healthy your employee's lifestyle is.

Interesting, isn't it, White Doors, how Jennie seems to always miss questions like this?

Well the thing is Drea, they did not stop him from smoking pot. What they did was say "If you are going to use drugs you dont work for us." Damned if those Alberta rednecks are gonna let you tell them how to run their business. If you got a job working at a convenience store in Alberta and the employer said "The store opens at 8am and closes at 10 pm. Your shift will be from 8 til 4." You accept the position and then later decide you hate the hours. Would you then say "Damned if I'm gonna let those rednecks tell me when to show up at work." It's a condition of the employment. If you work in a job where they have testing it is common knowledge that there is a reason for it, and that reason is you are not supposed to be using drugs if you want to work there. Someone owns that business and that is their terms. You know full well going into the job that if you get caught during a periodic drug test you are gone.

Despite the fact that I am often on here defending Christianity I don't actually go to Church. But of course I have many neighbours who do, and I've yet to hear them call me a godless or anything of the sort, or to unjustly condemn me for anything.

Personally, I think that most natives are not traditionally spiritual.

I never said any such thing.

I think you misunderstood what I was saying. No where did I say we have no need to be forgiven. I said that we do. And that according to Christianity this applies to everyone. And I made it clear that repentance does not mean you can sin and say you are sorry without meaning it. That is not really repentance. And Paul makes that clear. I did say there is no such thing as sinless person. If you will remember the story about the Pharisee and the tax collector. The Pharisee had the attitude of "Thank God I am not like the tax collector." While the sinful tax-collector was truly humble before God. He had honest remorse over his sinfulness. The validity of Dahmer's conversion is not something I can prove. I have no idea. That's an individual matter between Dahmer and God. But what I do know is that Dahmer himself never said Christianity had anything to do with his crime. And that he was not Christian until prison. What he did say was that his sick desires had a lot to do with his crime and that atheism did nothing to stop him. Penance is not biblical. This would be one of the theological differences the protestants had when the Bible became readily available to the public. People saw that nowhere in this book does it say that saying Hail Mary a certain number of times is of some benefit. And the fact that it was Mary they were hailing is also not Biblical. And there is a place where Jesus says mindless repititions of a mantra are meaningless. Repentance, however, is biblical. Repentance means not only that you say "Im sorry". Anyone can do that. Repentance means a sorrowful feeling over your sin. It is intensely individual. When you are truly contrite you feel a sense of remorse and resolve that you will not do it again. It has nothing to do with the church itself. The church cannot decide the validity of one's repentance. That is between a man and God.

Well first off, Christianity says there is no such thing as these good people. Even Paul called himself wicked through and through. But it is made clear in the New Testament that one's heart has to be into the repentance. Because if you see it as I can say sorry everytime I do something and continue doing as I please, you are not truly repentant. Only God knows a contrite heart.

And yet that was not the reason he himself gave at all in his interview. Straight from the horses mouth. And such a reason (the one you give) would be a more suitable example of what Segnosaurus was saying. That would be "the devil made me do it".

But he never said the devil made him do it. He was not defending his actions. And there is no benefit to lying about this. Someone made the claim Dahmer was a Christian. And I provided a quote straight from the horse's mouth with him saying he was no such thing until prison. Who would know better than he himself whether or not he believed in God?

Dion and Layton and others had no problem making their hockey opinions known when it was Shane Doan captaining the team and criticzing the Tories for their lack of concern over the issue .

He obviously did not see himself as a Christian prior to his being incarcerated, or else he would not have converted. In an interview with Diane Sawyer he explained why he did the horrible things he did: The people watching me all have desires. Some of them may be a desire to exercise and work out; others to go to a movie; others they like ice-cream or fast food, but people have desires. People are going to satisfy their desires unless they've got sufficient reason not to. So if a person likes fast food, or likes to exercise or go to movies, they're going to do that unless there's an overriding reason that says they shouldn't do it for some other reason. When I was in high school I found myself with the desire to torture animals. I did not believe in God so I did not believe there was any judgment after death. I did not believe we were here for a purpose. It seemed to me that we evolved from slime, and eventually when we die our particles are gong to return to slime. I have four-score and ten-75 years or so on this earth if I'm lucky. Given that I wasn't here for a purpose, and that I'm going to die and that's the end of me, and there's no reason I was here, I could not find any sufficient reason to deny the satisfaction of my desires, and so I tortured animals. It became a point where that no longer satisfied me, and I decided that what I needed to do was torture human beings. And frankly I couldn't think of a reason why I shouldn't given my view of reality. http://www.apostolic.net/biblicalstudies/eulogymeaning.htm So Dahmer himself attributes his criminal activity to his atheism. He clearly states that he did not believe in God and that is usually a requirement of the religion I think. His father sent him some Christian science material or something in prison. And then he converted. Your example is a dud.

Well actually this may be true, Kengs, that Dahmer was a Christian, but it still does nothing to help this person's argument. Dahmer converted to Christianity in prison a few weeks before he was killed. So Charter Rights example is a dud.

Well, I am sure some people have seen Stalin kiss a small child too. Woop dee doodle. In Caledonia people have watched the peaceful natives punch the window out of an elderly mans car sending him to the hospital with cardiac trouble, and then turn on some camera men who captured the incident. Not to mention the attack on Mr. Gaultieri and the false allegations against McHale who has done nothing illegal or violent. A native ceremony is not always indicative of the reality Rue.

And Unions were formed out of poor working conditions. That does not make them infallible. That does not make it right when you have 5 people doing the job of one person and making it last round the clock, all the while receiving good pay and benefits and then going on strike and threatening people who need money and are happy to work harder for less.

Basically that is where you are going. That is where the logic leads you. Someone says I am all for equality, but....I wont support this or that, and you refer to that as some sort of red flag, as if that is something to be concerned about. That's ridiculous. The SoW does little, and they use the fact that they are a Women's Group to make it look horrible when someone tries to make cuts. I could change my name to "TRUTH JUSTICE and LIBERTY" and when anyone disagrees with me I could say that they don't agree with "TRUTH JUSTICE and LIBERTY".

Who says that the SoW holds the monopoly on equality? So basically you are saying one cannot believe in equality without placing full belief in the Advisory Council. The Advisory Council was getting over 20 million and Harper cut 5 million from that, because, like alot of special interest groups they aren't always good in output as they are in receiving input. Someone here mentioned the councils funding of feminist groups which it deems fit. Check out the website for the BC Pro Choice Action network. They are sufficiently wierd enough to draw some concern. And the tax dollars which fund the SoW fund the BC Pro Choice Action Network. Also someone mentioned something about their funding of ridiculous studies, like the one about women in natural disasters. C'mon that is just crap. And its not like Harper destroyed the Crapheads, who successfully fool useful idiots into thinking that they are one with Equality. He cut 5 million from it.

You are being ridiculous. McHale did not do anything. He organized a counter protest because like many people with functional brains he stands on the opposite side of the issue. Is it only ok for natives to organize and protest? Did McHale punch out the window of an elderly man's car sending him to the hospital with a heart attack and then beat up the camera men who were filiming it? Seriously the fact that people in Caledonia stand on an opposite side of the issue and make a stand in protest is hardly "taking the law in their own hands". Nor is it vigilantism. But the recurring violence from the natives, along with this pathetic false allegation from the woman who approached McHale and pulled this stupid stunt is nothing but terrorism. I don't care. No one cares anymore about how often you scream racism. Being native does not give you a free pass to act like an idiot. No one buys it. Come on now. Let's be honest here. Watch the video. You know as well as I do that woman is pulling something. He did not push her. The citizens of Caledonia are not being racist to the Natives. The OPP is. The lack of enforcement by the OPP is tantamount to saying "Natives are hopeless, so we have to special nice to them."

:angry: Bah Humbug!!!! Nah, actually I like Christmas itself, seeing family and gaining 5 pounds and watching that movie about the kid that wants his BB gun. I just dont like the decorating and shopping beforehand. It would be so much easier without the decorating and shopping.

Of course he isn't going to to debate. Because he knows there is no debate over the issue at hand here. The man did not even notice the woman until she said "Dont push me" and pushed him. To which he replied, "I didnt push you." And I am inclined to believe the man, since there is no discernable push in the video. And, even though we cannot see his hands before she makes the accusation, she doesn't appear to have been pushed at all. She doesn't move. And he is looking in another direction as if he does not see her. Then he gets beaten. So see now the only sort of debating he can do is to call people out on minor details such as who the woman was, rather than the case itself. And call you an idiot for not knowing who she is or make a federal case out of the definition of a word, and fling insults in some vain attempt to make it appear as if he is right. All a big smokescreen to divert attention from the argument itself and from the fact that the video shows no assault.

The guy in the video is just standing there. The woman comes up to him and says "Dont you fucking push me!" And she pushes him. There is no discernable push from the man in the video. In fact it appears as if he does not even take notice of the woman until she pushes him saying "Don't you fucking push me!" And then he looks at her and says "I didnt push you." And she says "Dont you push me you fat fuck?" I don't understand why there is a charge against this man. Anyone who watches that video and says McHale assaulted her has an obvious agenda.

Well I agree, of course. I don't think it is more important. And I think I may have misrepresented what Cybercoma said, and so perhaps I owe him the apology. I dont think he actually said WW2 was more important. He just said he had reservation because it was a World War 1 symbol alone, but he did not express a great deal of protest over it. You know he was not making it out to be some outrage. And he doesn't strike me as the sort who is usually nitpicking about symbols. And personally I agree that the poppy is a suitable symbol for both wars. I think we are all in so much unanimous agreement here that we are sort of amicably arguing over the small points.

You are smoking something Dobbin if you think fewer episodes is the only reason. I can tell you right now most people do not favour Corner Gas or Little Mosque over any American shows. Do you seriously believe they do?

Throughout the regular season the CBC shows very little hockey. Saturday night, thats it. And once again I am not arguing for an outright boot to the CBC. I think they could stand some cuts. And they could stand to do a much better job with taxpayer money. It should not matter whether the programming is all Canadian. What should matter is "Do most Canadians want to watch this show?"