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Where a stronger Iraq is the largest terror magnet on the world, where the population is slowly starting to rise up aganist the US, where sabotoge is a daily occurance, where US soldiers die on a regular basis, where billions of US dollars are going down the drain, where alienating allies when asking for help, where sprending US troops extremely thin across the world, where hurting morale with 12 month tours, where all this is occuring is central to the war on terror? You got some seriously distorted logic. But I already knew that. Craig, does the idea of cutting revenue and spening vast amounts of money (you don't really have) at the same time sound economical to you?

lol. It amazes me how conservatives shoot first and never ask a question. Jump on the bandwagon, and never look at the cliff we're racing towards at 120 mph. Look at the recent sunday news's doonsbery. Recall of arnold bfore he's elected. LOL. Califorinia is a circus. My friend was talking to two seniors from cali at a Speech and debate tournement. They said, "yeah, it seems we're the only two people in the state NOT running for governer." Davis is not the best choice, Arnold is definitely not the best choice. If Gary coleman wins, there is no god and no justice. HMMMMMM.....

Ever notice how the right-wing cannot refute that we went to war for oil?

Depends, i'm not sure if gender in humans revolves independent of enviromental influence, but it does in many other species, such as numerous species of birds, turtles, crocodiles...etc. I belive we lack of the scientific capability and understanding to come to a conclusion of whether or not it is or isn't caused by genetics. Our level of genetic understanding and manipulation is essentially primitive. Without a extensive study of all of our genes and maipuliting many of them in different sequences and combinations, I believe we are illogical and irrational to declare whether there is or isn't. Human Growth Hormone. Was a expiremention before and often is now. It also is convience too and choice! I can't decide if it does revolve around Choosing. Many gay and lesbians often, when polled, say they did not choice to be in their positions. I have a few gay friends, none of them chose their perference. However, many do go that way after a tramatic experience. My stance is of a nuetral one. It is probably a combination of both. They have control over a severe lack of food and material? They have control of a lack of minerals in the grounds? HMMMMMM. It was simply a example of enviromental factors influencing phenotype. Few things are ever strictly nature, or strictly nurture. But we will not solve or decide which is more predominant. This argument has been going on for decades, I find it highly unlikely that this forum, with its severe lack of psychologists, Geneticists, pyscharists, sociologists, and antropologists will find the answer. WHAT Are you talking about? That doesn't even have a corner in my mind, much less basis for a point to argue. Before you start making assumptions about me, stop.

Nor can you prove to me that you or I, or this "planet" exists. However, being a true skeptic is not something anyone likes to do. According to the best of knowledge before, we are wrong on many accounts. I don't mock those who though the plague was from bad air. I was simply showing that people in the past have believed such "evidence" with much passion. Yet we all known thousands of scientific norms were false. To declare, like Craig has, that there isn't a gay gene is ludicrious. The information available is not enough to debate about something that cannot be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt at today's current level. I am telling you that you following the path has been littered with irrational thought and premature proclaminations. However, you must keep in mind that your opinon, like many others before you, has a good chance of being false. To base a huge argument and litterally a flame war over something with no solid evidence, is totally irrational. BTW: Enviromental factors can and do decide your final phenotype. You may have the gene for a certain height, but a lack of food and materials will stunt that growth, thus acting upon the final product. Happens all the time.

just close it, there's nothing of worth left in this sorry thread.

after that whole genocide-i say you don't use evidence (let's forget the 50+ links & articles)-i'm always right-you're always wrong-bush hasn't lied one bit-clinton didn't do anything for the economy-entirely wrong accusations post at me, I stopped taking him even remotely serious. I can't even find one post of his that isn't tainted by his hatred and narrow mindedness.

Do you want a on the job training governer? Do you want a governer who doesn't have ANY expierence? Do you want a governer who's credientials are solely movies taht cannot even relate the to real world's politics and economics? Arnold is just starting to learn a crash course in economics and politics. Not the person you want to get rid of the largest debt Cali ha ever seen. He isn't the best choice obviously.

Guys, don't even bother talking to Craig. He has shown 1) A disgrard of all evidence you bring 2) Hatred for all things that do not share his beliefs 3) Selective reading 4) Cherry picking evidence 5) the inability to even see the other side 6) the inability to question authority 7) removes the credit the people rightfully deserve should they not agree with him 8) hatred of most news 9) Disgreard for past human follies 10) hatred of muslims and Arabs 11) Failure to see the problems of America 12) Blind faith in Bush 13)....need i go on? Unlike Hugo, who shows the ability to see the other side, entertain that view, remove his bias to a degree, entertain the idea he MIGHT be wrong, craig fails to do anything but sling sweeping, false allegations aganist someone he cannot disprove.

I'd rather worship you then Craig. At least we'd have some freedoms than a toliterian, hateful regime. Notice how Craig would rather call people names then thing of a way to fix the world without killing everyone.

Hmmm.... No WMD or anything close: The US has one of the largest WMD arsenals in the world. Attacked his neighbors allows us to attack almost everyone Gassed his people: Point: REBELLING kurds. The US released biological and chemical agents into the US, peaceful populations via operations 112 and SHAD. HMMMM...name me something we went to war on that the US hasn't done itself.

ah a craig follower. Do away with the best humanitarian organization in the world, we don't care if millions die from starvation in the process, we demand change no matter what!

Hugo: Are you willing to say that you believe that with our current level of understanding genes and genetic manipulation, we can offically declare that we know that there isn't any gay gene? Are you willing to say that will FULL knowledge that scientific "facts" have been shown to be false. Are you willing to say that in the face of history, you are willing to contiune down the road of human arrogance in saying that you know that there is no a gay gene? Are you willing to say that we understand the full affect of EVERY SINGLE GENE that exists in human dna? People have stood by proof, raged at each other about it, only to watch a simple expirement prove them wrong. Are you willing to be another one of these fools? IE: Life spontenous arises. Black plague comes from bad air. The several different cell makeups. So according to your logic, our level of genetics has advanced to where we understand our genetic structure and can easily maipulate it to anything we wish?

Yay! More evidence, from our dear friend BBC!!!

Isn't it great to beat a dead horse?

Bush is another clown. He's caused the largest mess since WWII. has it occured to you that people, seeing the stupidity and arrogance of someone/something will drop their support and turn on them/it? Governer Ryan did it to the state's death penalty he previously supported. Because the CIA, State Dept and Pentagon ALL got us out of this mess before it started right due to their awesome foreign policy knowledge! Without genocide we can't win. You are fighting a concept. To kill the messenger is to kill the concept and idea, but that takes a huge loss of life. Because Iraq is so peaceful and prosperous and we found the WMD!! I've disproven your Kosovo claim. He fought hard for ground troops. His plan was to use them to force a surrender. However, the Clinton admin (see I CAN critize a left wing organization, unlike the right on the right) tied his hands. The current Time, "the regean letters" proves you wrong. Anti-american because he doesn't want us to go the way of Imperial Rome?

Yes, because killing the leader and creating a huge martyr which will lead thousands more down on the path to destroying Israel at any cost is better then leaving him alone and dealing with fewer fanatics! Craig's inability to see the other side is getting down right disgusting. Has it occured to you Craig, that people don't think in the same way? We all don't come to the same conclusions. Has it occured to you that you might be WRONG?

It matter not what news source you link, should it not agree with Craig's narrow views, it must be removed and destroyed.

No, Craig wants anyone who makes a single mistake to be completely changed or shot. Now if we applied that to everything....no one would be here posting. Greg wouldn't have made this site, cuz he would have been killed. Oh i made a mistake, We have to kill you now! I love how right-winger believe they can do no wrong!

Wrong again. I never said or mainted that Liberals like Davis or Gore, or even Clinton. Gore is an idiot. Enough said. I never said he was smart, I simply mainted that he did and accepted and admit things that Bush can't or won't. He wasn't a rhodes scholar like Clinton and Clark. Clinton had the best 8 years the US has ever seen. Davis, you cannot blame everything on one person, often when the factors are out of his control. While he is responsbile for some of the woes, you cannot blame everything on him. You maintain that he is a horrible politican, often because he "caused" the crisis. If we follow that logic, bush is a horrible politican because he caused this mess. How can you apply one logic to Davis and not to Bush? Yes i did, you simply refuse to admit it. You'll reply with "All newsources are scum and need to be killed." You haven't disproved any of the 20+ newslinks i've posted before. What makes you think you can do it now?

Hugo: First of all, science will eventually prove who is right and wrong on THIS subject. Everyone knows that scientific theories are proven wrong left and right. To attack each other with such fury over something we won't know for decades, if not hundreds of years is completely irrational. First of all, you're wrong in everything you've just said. I have said before that liberals have critized each other for bad jugements and false claims. But let's ignore that for now shall we? You never answered why shorelines are being lossed at a regular rate, why the Ozone hole is getting larger, why temperatures are steady rising...but that's all false because you refuse to answer? Moderinity is fine. When did I EVER make a racial comment on anything? Profits via many of the Western companies come through "questionable" practices. You know that as well as I do. For technology, I said that "in two years, Americans have come to the realization that technology will not save us." And that to declare that if there is a gay gene or not with today's science is ludicrous, based on HISTORY. I never commented on anything beyond scientific levels in the gay debate. Do NOT place other's words on me. About the post modern world, you are a completely fabricator and LIAR. I WAS THE ONE SAYING WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE PAST FOR WHY PEOPLE HATE US TODAY. Or have you simply forgotten that? Have you forgotten that I said without understanding of the past, you will go nowhere? Have you forgotten that I said History is one of your greatest teachers? Oh, no evidence? So how about the 50+ links and articles i've quoted? Once again you're wrong. I have no love or hate for the French. You shouldn't be critizing another country for looking out for its best interest when your country is doing the same. Frick, I don't mind talking about a subject, but you start throwing completely wrong, mindless insults that don't even apply, start putting other's words in my mouth, completely fabricate things I've said or done, I start to get pissed You are the most biased, hateful person here. Instead of eventhing about WHY something happend, you'd rather just kill them all. Nothing that similar to your opinion is ever correct. Has it occured to you that can't even see the constricting walls of your small corridor of thought?

If an organization or a person makes one mistake they must be shot! lol. I'm glad I don't share any ethnic or national traits with you. I hope I never meet anyone like you.

Why do you people bother debating something that our level of understanding and science cannot prove or disprove? Wait, I forgot, Craig knows everything. He knows how to produce a quantam singlaurity reaction, he knows how to go back in time. He knows how to make scrambled eggs. He knows how to throw mindless insults with no substance at people he doesn't know. He knows that he thinks he is perfect. He knows that only he should be in power and everyone else who dissents should be shot!

Hugo: WTF. How can there be a pre-Mohammed Islam? Unless there's another prophet that the West hasn't heard of.

So, how is life in black and white Nuclear? Your opinon is not fact. Period. If you really wanted to get down to it, sperm and eggs are living cells. My question (rhetortical in sense) is, can a zygote show the same emotions, feelings, actions of a human?