Black Dog

Are you suggesting the traits traditionally associated with femininity are biological in nature? No the thing that "womanly" references is, as you already said, the idea of how a "woman" ought to act. And that idea is/was largely socially constructed.

Again, you just said that. Wiggle the nail. Again, that was you. I quoted you and everything. Wiggle the nail. Again, you don't understand what a rhetorical question is. Wiggle the nail. This is funny considering you have to pretend I said the things you said even when I quote you saying the things you said. Like, you can deny all you want, I've brought the receipts.

Why would "how they act" matter at all. Cats and humans are different species why do I have to keep telling you this.

"Hitler wasn't racist" is one of the funniest things anyone has ever stated ever, congrats dumbass. While black people in Nazi Germany were never subject to an organized mass extermination program, as in the cases of Jews, homosexuals, Romani, and Slavs,[1] they were still considered by the Nazis to be an inferior race and along with Romani people were subject to the Nuremberg Laws under a supplementary decree. There is evidence that at least two dozen black Germans ended up in concentration camps in Germany. Right they just believed all that for kicks, there was no underlying ideology motivating any of that. Christ you're f*ckin' retarded. Again, you said that not me. I even quoted you saying so. Are you confused? Try wiggling the rusty nail that's lodged in your frontal lobe a bit.

But if biology is the be-all and end all of defining what a woman is, why does the concept of "womanly" even exist and vary between societies?

Nah no definition I have will satisfy you so I prefer to keep you sealioning and mad.

There's nothing amorphous about the constructed gender roles that have historically defined woman. So you think that a dude from Saudi Arabia would consider a American woman with a shaved head, tattoos, pierced everything wearing a crop top and short shorts to be a woman in the same way as his wife in a niqab? Call 9-1-1, you're having a stroke.

No. You cannot discuss the concept of woman or woman hood and ignore the social aspect no matter how hard you try. Do you think someone in Saudi Arabia would have the same definition of what a woman is than someone in the U.S.A?

Most people where? No shit sherlock. How can you decide something is not like something without a notion of what that something is supposed to be.

Some define strictly as biologically female, some define it primarily as someone who conforms to the social and cultural practices associated with members of the female physical sex. No that was never the case. "Woman" has always been defined as much by social/cultural expectations as biology. I mean at one point women weren't supposed to wear pants because they were "unwomanly."

So? Should the one person's view be considered valid over the other 99? lol die mad.

Lol this is great, I hope you get so mad you have a heart attack and die.

I just did you chucklef*ck. To the other 99 yes. Again: who else would determine it?

To the other 99, yes. Again, who else would decide? A female is a biological female, woman is a constructed social identity. Whomp whomp boomer.

How else would it be determined?

To that society, yes. Who else would there be to say otherwise? Space aliens?

Valid within that society. Do you think there's a different, objective arbiter of what is valid other than the social consensus?

In that society, yes.

No I don't have an answer, why are you being obtuse. You're implying there is a standard, so who sets that standard and enforces it?

Genetics determines if an organism is male or female, it does not determine what is or is not a woman.

LOL no because the premise of the questions depend on establishing who decides whether or not something is "valid". Since you asked the questions, perhaps you can clarify the premise.

Every single aspect of the Nazis' program was downstream from Hitler’s beliefs about race, specifically the superiority the German Volk and the inferiority of the Jews and other races. Everybody with half a brain who has ever read a book or even an encyclopedia knows this. LOL you still don't know what a rhetorical question is, this is phenomenal. And they did all that for kicks did they? No, all of this stemmed from their racial beliefs. Controlling the markets was a means of purging Jews from the economy, control of social matters was to prevent "racially impure" cultural influences and preserve racial purity, and expanding the state through military force was based on the belief that the German Volk needed to expand to survive and that any other race in the way must be removed, enslaved or exterminated. In other words, you have confused effect for cause because, as we've established, you are an extremely, extremely stupid person. This is such a pathetic attempt to weasel out of the fact that you listed banning jazz music as a defining feature of the Nazis and somehow are trying to pin that on me lol.

People can have a conception of self that differs from others' perception of them. Both "exist". What do you mean by "valid"? Who is the arbiter of whether or not something is valid or not?

Actually I didn't say it was either/or. I said it was both.